Purchase a gun for my home...

[dlaul01]

Ok just have a quick question for someone who knows the rules. I tried to go get my gun permit 3 time all being failed attempts due to two times it being closed and one not having the proper ID? I want to save my self a trip downtown and was wondering i don't want to carry a gun on me i just want it for my home. Do i need a permit to buy a gun and also have one at my home? Someone please fill me in...:thmbsup:

[blizzard]

naw, permits are to "carry a concealed firearm" if you go when they're open and have 2 forms of ID, there should be no problem unless you're a convicted felon... i forget, i think it's $20 - $30 ?? and you have to wait out criminal check... couple weeks? but that might've changed.

you can still have firearms in your house tho they *should* all be registered... :goodidea:

[laz2447]

naw, permits are to "carry a concealed firearm" if you go when they're open and have 2 forms of ID, there should be no problem unless you're a convicted felon... i forget, i think it's $20 - $30 ?? and you have to wait out criminal check... couple weeks? but that might've changed.

you can still have firearms in your house tho they *should* all be registered... :goodidea:

Not to jack the thread, but anyone know the laws in WV for the same purpose?

Just want to have one in my home, not carry one...PM me if you know so not to take away from the thread...:goodidea:

[94svtcobra]

not sure on wv, but x2 on the pa law, u only need it if you want to carry a concealed weapon, if it was me I would still get it tho, just incase u want to transport it, sometimes cops will give u a hard time on it

[crusher101]

your gonna have to wait 5 days if you walk in there without the permit though

[94REDGT]

you can fill the info out on line at this link you will have to scan in your id forms they will take the pic at the sheriffs office when you get the yellow card back to come down and get the actual permit
herre is the link you need

http://sheriffalleghenycounty.com/HTML's/firearms_app.html

hope this helps you out

[HidalgoGT]

your gonna have to wait 5 days if you walk in there without the permit though
You dont have to wait anymore. They do instant back ground check over the phone. You must have a valid and up to date drivers license though. No 2 different address's. I just bought my AR-15 at a gun show last month paid and walked.:goodidea:

[dlaul01]

So i can just go in and do all this there also what would be a good gun to buy i want something small and inexpensive.

[crusher101]

s&w are pretty cheap

u can usually find a used police handgun for sale pretty cheap

[crusher101]

You dont have to wait anymore. They do instant back ground check over the phone. You must have a valid and up to date drivers license though. No 2 different address's. I just bought my AR-15 at a gun show last month paid and walked.:goodidea:

that was a gun show. they have to do them over the phone or they lose the sale.

in a store you have the wait.

[SAC81]

you can still have firearms in your house tho they *should* all be registered...

Pennsylvania has no gun registration. You don't have to register anything with anyone.

PA law requires that anyone purchasing a handgun complete a background investigation check (Insta-Check) and correspoding form before taking possession of the gun. Since you can't do this from home, this requires you to head to a Federal Firearms Licensed gun store...this is why people think that guns are "registered". It's a common misconception.

[SAC81]

that was a gun show. they have to do them over the phone or they lose the sale.

in a store you have the wait.

No, you don't.

[Twin01cobra]

that was a gun show. they have to do them over the phone or they lose the sale.

in a store you have the wait.

You don't have to wait anywhere in PA, fill out the paper work, phone call is made and ten minutes your out the door.

[Twin01cobra]

Pennsylvania has no gun registration. You don't have to register anything with anyone.

PA law requires that anyone purchasing a handgun complete a background investigation check (Insta-Check) and correspoding form before taking possession of the gun. Since you can't do this from home, this requires you to head to a Federal Firearms Licensed gun store...this is why people think that guns are "registered". It's a common misconception.


Every gun you buy through an FFL is registered, when you fill out the 4473 it's on file at the FFL holders business, and when you purchase a handgun or rifle the PA state police do the insta check through the NICS system, and a second form for PA must be filled out(handgun only), and a copy of that form is sent to the state police. So yes they know exactly what you bought.

[SAC81]

It's not registered. There's tons of legal battles about the state police keeping those forms. There is no "gun registration"- they track the sales of handguns without any legal grounds for doing so. It's NOT the same thing as gun registration.

[HidalgoGT]

that was a gun show. they have to do them over the phone or they lose the sale.

in a store you have the wait.
wal-mart is the same phone call and walk. same with a gun shop.

[badf250]

I though they only did the insta check with handguns. ANyway when I bought my 44 magnum and my 380 auto, I was in and out it 20 minutes or so.

[Twin01cobra]

It's not registered. There's tons of legal battles about the state police keeping those forms. There is no "gun registration"- they track the sales of handguns without any legal grounds for doing so. It's NOT the same thing as gun registration.

That's how it is supposed to be, but unfortunately it's not. If you fill out paper work and that gun can easily be traced to you then what else would you call it?

[Twin01cobra]

I though they only did the insta check with handguns. ANyway when I bought my 44 magnum and my 380 auto, I was in and out it 20 minutes or so.


All guns except blackpowder guns.

[blizzard]

meh, while we're on the subject... (not trying to jack the thread, i think the question was answered)

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

[John4cam]

This is what you need..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLQewe4TrY&feature=related

[SAC81]

That's how it is supposed to be, but unfortunately it's not. If you fill out paper work and that gun can easily be traced to you then what else would you call it?

If I inherit a bunch of handguns from my Dad and never fill out any paper work (which is perfectly legal) what would you call it?

[blizzard]

it may not be a punishable crime to not register. but if it is stolen and used in commission of crime or if they get confiscated and you want them back, it'd be much better/easier to have the papertrail. you've never had a cop ask you if your gun was registered? i have.

[Twin01cobra]

If I inherit a bunch of handguns from my Dad and never fill out any paper work (which is perfectly legal) what would you call it?


I'm not talking about receiving guns from family or private sales, I know all about how it works and am very familiar with gun laws. I'm talking about buying a gun through an FFL dealer, there is paper work filled out, handgun requires that paper work be sent to the PSP, if you think they don't keep or record that info think again. I had my FFL dealer tell me ATF came into the shop to audit their paper work(4473 forms) they took names and info from certain people who purchased guns there(which by law they are not allowed to do), my name was one of those names. I asked why they took that info, dealer told me cause you bought alot of AR15's in the past couple months, he said the only people they took info ffrom was people who bought assault type weapons. I bet they know exactly what I own.

[coralcoupe1993]

I just bought a Beretta px4 40 cal. Took about 15 minutes in Gander Mountain (yes I know I could have saved money going on line)! Not worried about it, with our new president, I wanted my own government insurance policy!

[SAC81]

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=pa

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=pa#registrati


REGISTRATION
Are all guns registered with law enforcement? No

No state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. Although the state keeps records on handgun transfers, there is no state system to automatically identify and disarm felons and other prohibited people who bought guns legally in the past, but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to keep possession of their firearms.


Check out the source... hehehe

[Twin01cobra]

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=pa

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=pa#registrati



Check out the source... hehehe

I don't care what the source says, and don't beleive anything you read from the brady bunch. If there is a paper trail it can be traced back to the buyer in about 10 seconds, beleive me I know. I sold a gun to a freind, who then sold it to someone else, it ended up being confiscated buy the police, guess what, I got a letter in the mail to call a certain detective ASAP. He then proceded to ask me why my gun was recovered at so and so's place, he said we traced the gun and it was REGISTERED to you. I told him the story and that was the end of that. So then if there is no registration how did they know the gun was mine?

[SAC81]

How about the NRA? Do you trust them?

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/PASL.pdf


QUICK REFERENCE CHART
Rifles and Shotguns Handguns
Permit to Purchase No No
Registration of Firearms No No
Licensing of Owners No No
Permit to Carry No Yes

Taken straight from the state law books.

Believe me, cops don't know every letter of the law- especially gun laws. I know quite a few of them personally.


So then if there is no registration how did they know the gun was mine?

The same way they can figure out that a killer bought the duct tape he used to restrain his victim at Wal-Mart.

[Twin01cobra]

Beleive what you want, I know how it works and what goes on. Yes I trust the NRA, without them we probably would'nt own any gun, however they are not law enforcement and can only do so much. Have you ever heard them talk about back door registration, that is it. I also know many cops and a couple state troopers, one of the troopers is a real good freind of mine, and yes we have had this discussion. No sense in continuing this debate, if that's what you beleive then fine. Now:focus: