obama won ?

[sweeney1030]

we as a nation just elected a man with ties to terror groups, fanatical religious groups and he's anti firearms . I cant understand what people are thinking.WTF! I weep for the future

[Troll]

Secede

[sweeney1030]

mexico is sounding good. tomorrow Im hiding my guns

[Rodeheaver's]

mexico is sounding good. tomorrow Im hiding my guns
i am with you...

[Killercanary]

mexico is sounding good. tomorrow Im hiding my guns

Tomorrow I'm buying mine...

[Rodeheaver's]

all the states that McCain won, he won by a landslide, all the ones that Sadam Husane won, he won by the skin on his teeth.

[Twin01cobra]

All I can say it's a sad day in america, now you can call it what it should be called, amerika, land of the sheep:bowdown:

[Rodeheaver's]

All I can say it's a sad day in america, now you can call it what it should be called, amerika, land of the sheep:bowdown:
lemmings is more like it....

[sweeney1030]

were'nt these people fly'in planes into buildings a few years ago? by theses people I mean his buddies, Im never getting on a plane again.its a sad day for the land of the free.

[94svtcobra]

you guys gotta stop watchin fox news, they give bad info fyi

[Twin01cobra]

you guys gotta stop watchin fox news, they give bad info fyi

Ya, msnbc is the one to watch:rolleyes:

[94svtcobra]

cnn was running a real good non bias segment running fact checking that laid out alot of the things you guys are worried about (gun laws, terrorist affilation, etc)

obama worked with aires on a board of education in chicago, n thats about as far as that story goes.

also obama supports your right to own guns

[Twin01cobra]

cnn was running a real good non bias segment running fact checking that laid out alot of the things you guys are worried about (gun laws, terrorist affilation, etc)

obama worked with aires on a board of education in chicago, n thats about as far as that story goes.

also obama supports your right to own guns

Now I know your dilusional and you must have drank the kool-aid. Do a search on his gun voting record and then come back here and back it up with facts, you won't be able to do it, thats a fact.:rofl:

[Killercanary]

also obama supports your right to own guns


:rofl::rotflol::rofl::rotflol::rofl::rotflol: :rofl: :rotflol::rofl:

[94svtcobra]

you have to be careful with those voting records though, not sayig your wrong, but alot of times when they vote on various items they are packaged with other items that are really bad, or go against something else they stand for, so the opposing parties will use that info to say he voted agaist guns 100 times, but they don't tell you what else was packaged with the bill

[Twin01cobra]

you have to be careful with those voting records though, not sayig your wrong, but alot of times when they vote on various items they are packaged with other items that are really bad, or go against something else they stand for, so the opposing parties will use that info to say he voted agaist guns 100 times, but they don't tell you what else was packaged with the bill

Just as I said, you can't find any facts. I can show you the facts but I'm done waisting my time. I have what I need and I'm done pleading my case, it's over and all you osama supporters will soon see for yourself what this man is all about, just remember we warned you.

[KeystoneJohnny]

Well we are going to have to ride this out now

[map351]

I predict that today will go down in history as the day America died.

Get ready for a cost of living increase, double digit inflation, increased taxes, and a reduction in military funding and capability. In 1976 to 1980, Jimmy Carter did all of these things, and the country paid for it dearly. I have no doubt that by the time Obama is finished he will make Carter look like a right-wing extremist.

Here you have a man with such a sorted past that he couldn’t even pass a background check to get a job with the FBI or CIA if he wanted it; yet many people blindly support him.


The ignorance of the American people is stunning.

[torchred v6]

Very long sleepless night...I've lost alot of faith in my country

[SonofaBish]

:( :( :(

[95riosnake]

Very long sleepless night...I've lost alot of faith in my country


+1

I can give up now on any faith I had in the intelligence of the majority of the American people.

[racefan]

This guy was elected by first time black, hispanic, inner-city voters that really had no idea what they were doing. All they could see, was it was one of them! Something like the O.J. trial back when. I heard people say they did not have to worry about paying the rent or other things now, because he would take care of them. I wonder how many people got robbed at the rally he had last night! Just remember to hold him to his statements on what he will do for US!!!!

[Rodeheaver's]

This guy was elected by first time black, hispanic, inner-city voters that really had no idea what they were doing. All they could see, was it was one of them! Something like the O.J. trial back when. I heard people say they did not have to worry about paying the rent or other things now, because he would take care of them. I wonder how many people got robbed at the rally he had last night! Just remember to hold him to his statements on what he will do for US!!!!
X2..

[SK360]

This really made me sad to have to go to bed last night, and realize i would not wake up in the morning and see this was one big nightmare.
Watching Channel 11 news last night, watching the people parade through Oakland in celebration, really shows just how much of this election was decided because of skin color and popularity.
All of these first time minority voters that could not have given a rats ass on 2004, that went out and voted for Obama just because he looks like he is one of them, made me ****ing sick. They had a bunch crying for joy on WPXI last night. How many of them could name where Obama stands on any issue?
The other group is the "MTV Voters", The people that voted for him because it was the trendy and cool thing to do.
Pathetic.
We are falling down a path of Socialism.
RIP The United States of America, 7/4/1776-11/4/2008

[Jper]

This really made me sad to have to go to bed last night, and realize i would not wake up in the morning and see this was one big nightmare.
Watching Channel 11 news last night, watching the people parade through Oakland in celebration, really shows just how much of this election was decided because of skin color and popularity.
All of these first time minority voters that could not have given a rats ass on 2004, that went out and voted for Obama just because he looks like he is one of them, made me ****ing sick. They had a bunch crying for joy on WPXI last night. How many of them could name where Obama stands on any issue?
The other group is the "MTV Voters", The people that voted for him because it was the trendy and cool thing to do.
Pathetic.
We are falling down a path of Socialism.
RIP The United States of America, 7/4/1776-11/4/2008
I totally agree with this.

[SK360]

The celebration in oakland just really pissed me off.... Like the steelers just won the ****ing superbowl or something.

[thehill63]

I totally agree with matt. If you agreed with Obama's issues, you should of voted for him. If you voted because hes black, you shouldn't of been allowed to vote. If you didn't vote for him because hes black, you shouldn't of been allowed to vote.

[fork5o]

ooohhhhhh canada

[thehill63]

ooohhhhhh canada

do it, i dare you =P

[Shorty429]

I totally agree with matt. If you agreed with Obama's issues, you should of voted for him. If you voted because hes black, you shouldn't of been allowed to vote. If you didn't vote for him because hes black, you shouldn't of been allowed to vote.

X2 This is one of the most intelligent statements posted in this thread.

[SAC81]

I'm NOT hiding my guns and I hope the rest of you Second Amendment supporters don't hide yours either. I will continue to make it known that I proudly own a whole bunch of firearms. I'll also wish Obama luck and hope he works out and ends up being a great President...but, if he does decide to make me a criminal by outlawing my guns, well, I'm not going to hide them then either. :)

[Shorty429]

if he does decide to make me a criminal by outlawing my guns, well, I'm not going to hide them then either. :)

Amen!

[SK360]

I'm NOT hiding my guns and I hope the rest of you Second Amendment supporters don't hide yours either. I will continue to make it known that I proudly own a whole bunch of firearms. I'll also wish Obama luck and hope he works out and ends up being a great President...but, if he does decide to make me a criminal by outlawing my guns, well, I'm not going to hide them then either. :)

+2

Lets just hope he does not try to introduce the 500% tax on ammo like he had voted for in the past.

Sure would like to be able to continue to feed my rifles... :D

[HidalgoGT]

I load my own hehe.

[03 OW SVT]

I'm still in disbileaf (<sp) and in shock.:irked:

I went yest. and bought another gun (20 gage) just because i know his stand on the Second Amend.:nono:

[MBH]

you guys gotta stop watchin fox news, they give bad info fyi
You do realize that fox is one of the only stations that splits time 50/50 with liberal/conservative views, don't you?



This really made me sad to have to go to bed last night, and realize i would not wake up in the morning and see this was one big nightmare.
Watching Channel 11 news last night, watching the people parade through Oakland in celebration, really shows just how much of this election was decided because of skin color and popularity.
All of these first time minority voters that could not have given a rats ass on 2004, that went out and voted for Obama just because he looks like he is one of them, made me ****ing sick. They had a bunch crying for joy on WPXI last night. How many of them could name where Obama stands on any issue?
The other group is the "MTV Voters", The people that voted for him because it was the trendy and cool thing to do.
Pathetic.
We are falling down a path of Socialism.
RIP The United States of America, 7/4/1776-11/4/2008
that is the truth. I could say a mouthful of where I stand on this issue, but there is no need for it.

here is one of the last fun facts that I'll give you about this election:
95% of the black population voted for Obama, 5% voted for McCain. The black population accounted for 13% of the voters this time around (as opposed to 11% in 04).

How many african americans can even name one stance for both McCain and Obama?

It would be interesting to have a simple 5 question quiz about where each candidate stands, etc. and see who those people vote for.

RIP capitalism.



edit: thats not to say that there aren't a lot of white people that don't know any better that voted for McCain simply because he's white. I'm just saying that there is a trend, thats all.

[Twin01cobra]

cnn was running a real good non bias segment running fact checking that laid out alot of the things you guys are worried about (gun laws, terrorist affilation, etc)

obama worked with aires on a board of education in chicago, n thats about as far as that story goes.

also obama supports your right to own guns

And yet you still produce no facts, I rest my case. Today is the beginning of the end of this country. To all my fellow conservatives, we were beaten because of ignorance. I'd be willing to bet 50% of the people who voted for osama had no clue why, I sat back and asked myself there has got to be something these people see in this man that I don't, I could'nt find it, he is a pure socialist that now will be in charge of what once was the greatest country in the world. Sad sad sad.

[wick]

We were beaten because he has all the people who dont even know what a ballot is go vote. They must have promised free 40oz's of Old E to everybody that voted. The shutting down of the streets proved that!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HidalgoGT]

I served this country as others have on this board and with last nites decision of ignorance of this countries people it hurt deep. I cannot believe this country is and will be taken down from the inside. He is like a pc Virus. You people opened the email now we have to live with it til the melt down. Its sad and mean of me to say but, when the conservatives take up their guns to defend their nation I would have reserve to defend those who voted for osama. This struck me deep. Might as well slit my wrists on arlington cemetary so I could die with fellow patriots who fought for a free nation. Not a socialist shit hole. God help this nation,God help those who voted blindly, God give us strength to get threw this.

[INSANELY CRAZY]

after seeing the news last night where the voting lines were like 25 blacks to 4 whites made me sick!!! obama most likely sent a letter out to all welfare bums. it prolly said if you dont vote for me i will take away your food stamps!!!!!

they even asked one of the ladies in line (5 hour waiting to vote for obama) if she could tell them why she suported obama and she didnt even know.(she was black)

im not racial at all but i think this took a huge part in why he got elected.

[John4cam]

after seeing the news last night where the voting lines were like 25 blacks to 4 whites made me sick!!! obama most likely sent a letter out to all welfare bums. it prolly said if you dont vote for me i will take away your food stamps!!!!!

they even asked one of the ladies in line (5 hour waiting to vote for obama) if she could tell them why she suported obama and she didnt even know.(she was black)

im not racial at all but i think this took a huge part in why he got elected.


I just dont want to hear anymore BS about this country being racist. I dont want to hear anymore crying about how hard it is to be black. The opertunities are there for everyone, and 11/4 showed that.

[torchred v6]

I served this country as others have on this board and with last nites decision of ignorance of this countries people it hurt deep. I cannot believe this country is and will be taken down from the inside. He is like a pc Virus. You people opened the email now we have to live with it til the melt down. Its sad and mean of me to say but, when the conservatives take up their guns to defend their nation I would have reserve to defend those who voted for osama. This struck me deep. Might as well slit my wrists on arlington cemetary so I could die with fellow patriots who fought for a free nation. Not a socialist shit hole. God help this nation,God help those who voted blindly, God give us strength to get threw this.

I've heard so many say "how much worse can it get"...I don't want to find out the hard way. It can and most likely will get worse. God help us..

[INSANELY CRAZY]

I just dont want to hear anymore BS about this country being racist. I dont want to hear anymore crying about how hard it is to be black. The opertunities are there for everyone, and 11/4 showed that.


sorry to say but you will never hear the end of it.... it's become a big part of our world and as long as we are alive it's gonna be here.

[HidalgoGT]

sorry to say but you will never hear the end of it.... it's become a big part of our world and as long as we are alive it's gonna be here.
I think he meant the blacks calling us Whites racist. They did it cause of color so now who is the racist type of thing.

[INSANELY CRAZY]

I think he meant the blacks calling us Whites racist. They did it cause of color so now who is the racist type of thing.

:goodidea:
yea prolly right, it's still ashame though how it's a big part of life anymore.

[HidalgoGT]

:goodidea:
yea prolly right, it's still ashame though how it's a big part of life anymore.
I'm not racist I hate evey Muslim equally. For his supporters who voted out of blindness and only for color..........They can kiss my rebel ASS!

[xtremeFB]

[quote=HidalgoGT;136543]I'm not racist I hate evey Muslim equally. For his supporters who voted out of blindness and only for color..........They can kiss my rebel ASS![/q
I 2ND THAT.

[billyNOTnice]

i wouldn't rule out all the white voters john mccain got because of racist white people.

[billyNOTnice]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n4/RobertOak/ObamaDir_562.jpg

[sweeney1030]

jeeze look what I started. everyone is what they are , some do vote for the color of skin & gender . for anyone to say otherwise is foolish. I work with a few younger guys who voted for obama for one sole reason-- no shit get ready for this--- " he reminds me of a black JFK" - WTF is that. oh well barack obama/bin laden is the leader of the free world. omg!

[wick]

after seeing the news last night where the voting lines were like 25 blacks to 4 whites made me sick!!! obama most likely sent a letter out to all welfare bums. it prolly said if you dont vote for me i will take away your food stamps!!!!!

they even asked one of the ladies in line (5 hour waiting to vote for obama) if she could tell them why she suported obama and she didnt even know.(she was black)

im not racial at all but i think this took a huge part in why he got elected.


They were in line because there was free watermellon, fried f ucking chicken and a bottle of ole' E waiting for them at the end. Come on man, I thought you were smarter than this. HAHAH

[paul44224]

By the time Congress and the Senate pass (if the proposed legislation passes), it will be really watered down as to be meaningless. Does the new President REALLY believe that Congress (most are millionaires) will pass a much higher tax on themselves, and their campaign contributors? Still hard to accept the voting results!

[CobraII]

I'm not racist I hate evey Muslim equally. For his supporters who voted out of blindness and only for color..........They can kiss my rebel ASS!

So you hate this man? Or would have?

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/krkhan.htm

[crusher101]

i now feel that affirmative action should be abolished... after all... a black man got into the white house.

[Killercanary]

Take it easy with the racist stuff guys. Let's not forget we are all here to enjoy the mustang hobby together and there are people from all walks of life on here.

[u1arunit]

Take it easy with the racist stuff guys. Let's not forget we are all here to enjoy the mustang hobby together and there are people from all walks of life on here.

Right. I am sick and tired of the hating on this board. The next person that posts something derogatory regarding ANY race you will be banned.

We should not have to tell you you people this!

[HidalgoGT]

So you hate this man? Or would have?

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/krkhan.htm
Ya, i would not trust him. If that is deemed racist and I get banned so be it. i didn't trust them when I drove over the road. I didn't trust them when I lived in the state of California and they had all their lil private mosk's around. When you see a nation raised from birth to hate the very nation you love and serve you get an opinion. Now there may be a few good ones out there. I don't know and personaly don't care. Imagine the people who were friends with or neighbors to the ones that did 9/11. I'd rather suspect them of being bad then be surprised of it when thousands die. I've stated before I wouldn't have cared if a "Black" man was president. Just not some muslim with no legal birth certificate who does not honor the country he is going to try and run(screw up). The one who died has my respect for doing so, but does not mean I like him. not like anyone is not racist anyhow if you think your not your a fool.

[u1arunit]

.. not like anyone is not racist anyhow if you think your not your a fool.

Let me get this straight. You are saying that everyone is racist? I used to think I wasn't. You're right though. I hate assholes. So I guess I am. :laughing:

[HidalgoGT]

Let me get this straight. You are saying that everyone is racist? :laughing:
If you care to look up racist and the meaning of it. You betcha.
Racism is not likeing and bashing/hateing anyone other then who you like. I.E You like the steelers and bash (example) Colts. That is racism. Anytime you display or say anything about dislikeing something or someone is a form of racist act.
Also, If a person is raised in a religion(Also just an example) of where he/she is taught one race is better then the other. Thats what they were taught.(Although it maybe wrong) then you yourself are being racist to that person because of what they were taught. Granted this seems like alot of bullshit but, its true examples. So, yes everyone is racist in one way or another is.......My Final answer.
Ya, I have been called an asshole before lol.

[Twin01cobra]

So now if a comment is made about obama we are considered racist:mad:, I don't like the man for what he stands for, period. I could care less what color he is, but since he's black we must be now be politicaly correct and make no mention of it:whocares:.

[INSANELY CRAZY]

They were in line because there was free watermellon, fried f ucking chicken and a bottle of ole' E waiting for them at the end. Come on man, I thought you were smarter than this. HAHAH


:laughing1::sticktonge::laughing:

[wick]

So now if a comment is made about obama we are considered racist:mad:, I don't like the man for what he stands for, period. I could care less what color he is, but since he's black we must be now be politicaly correct and make no mention of it:whocares:.


:thmbsup:

[thehill63]

If you care to look up racist and the meaning of it. You betcha.
Racism is not likeing and bashing/hateing anyone other then who you like. I.E You like the steelers and bash (example) Colts. That is racism. Anytime you display or say anything about dislikeing something or someone is a form of racist act.
Also, If a person is raised in a religion(Also just an example) of where he/she is taught one race is better then the other. Thats what they were taught.(Although it maybe wrong) then you yourself are being racist to that person because of what they were taught. Granted this seems like alot of bullshit but, its true examples. So, yes everyone is racist in one way or another is.......My Final answer.
Ya, I have been called an asshole before lol.


Though the term racism usually denotes race-based prejudice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice), violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence), discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination), or oppression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression), the term can also have varying and hotly contested definitions. Racialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racialism) is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary), racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary) defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_dictionary) defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture), usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

I was not aware colts and steelers were races. humph

Maybe you should of looked up the meaning of racism before you told me to.

[HidalgoGT]

Though the term racism usually denotes race-based prejudice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice), violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence), discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination), or oppression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression), the term can also have varying and hotly contested definitions. Racialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racialism) is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary), racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary) defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_dictionary) defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture), usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

I was not aware colts and steelers were races. humph

Maybe you should of looked up the meaning of racism before you told me to.
First off I never told you to. Hmmph. Second they are groups or teams. Andyou or i or anyone else can call one or the other superior to the other.It all boils down to how one percieves it. Its a form of prejudice. I wear rebel flags.Does it mean I am racist? If it means me dislikeing the muslims is me being racist then so be it. Why would i like a race raised to hate me or my nation. I dont hate all blacks. As my confederate flags would suggest. I do however dislike the "******s" of every race. White black blue purple yellow or whatever. Though most of you all dotoo just probaly word it differently. So,my takeon the meaningof a word is different doesnt go with your quotes then so be it.

[ralphie]

I voted Republican. I can live with Obama, have to, but as far as that turd Murtha who should have been flushed is concerned, I am livid. If he ever comes to Pittsburgh, I'll call that piece of shit out and stomp his ass. A Nam Veteran

[u1arunit]

So now if a comment is made about obama we are considered racist:mad:, I don't like the man for what he stands for, period. I could care less what color he is, but since he's black we must be now be politicaly correct and make no mention of it.

We don't care if you talk about Obama or not. There are a lot of folks who do not like him. I do not care for him and I did not vote for him. There are a lot of members on here that are the same way. The difference is that myself and them are not on here bitching all about it. It's four years, nobody can change that so we need to deal with it. Whining about it serves zero purpose. There are a lot of political forums that one can join with others that will commiserate with you.

[Twin01cobra]

We don't care if you talk about Obama or not. There are a lot of folks who do not like him. I do not care for him and I did not vote for him. There are a lot of members on here that are the same way. The difference is that myself and them are not on here bitching all about it. It's four years, nobody can change that so we need to deal with it. Whining about it serves zero purpose. There are a lot of political forums that one can join with others that will commiserate with you.

I understand what you are saying, there's no doubt that political issues often become very heated. As long as it remains somewhat civil I don't see a problem, it's good for ones self to get it out and let someone know where you stand on certain things. What I don't like is when someone has no interest in a thread or what your talking about and will respond with something like " I can't wait til it's over" or " lets ban politics", if you don't like the thread stay out of it, there are plenty of other threads to comment in. This is a great site with alot good members, no matter what their veiws. It's not like elections happen everyday and this one in particular was historic with huge implications, which is the reason for so much discussion. So nothing personal against anyone, that's just the way it is:awsome:.

[HidalgoGT]

Why not just delete the thread and be done with it?

[PaxtonShelby]

I hope that Obama surprises me and turns out to be a fine President, but I have my doubts, especially since the Dems are in control. I think we're in for a slew of changes that could put our economy into an even nastier tailspin.

I have absolutely nothing against the man because of the color of his skin. Maybe the fact that he is black will help this country come together from that standpoint. I honestly hope that happens, as there is too much racism in this country - BOTH ways. I just wish Obama was a better fit for the job - with some experience and a proven track record.

Are we ever going to see a candidate who we can truly get excited about for the right reasons? Not because of his smooth speaking ability ( Clinton ) or the color of his skin, but because he, or she, has the right qualities, experience, values, dignity, and demeanor?

[wick]

Could it be possible that the fear of him now taking over the office is what caused the market to slide nearly 1000 pionts in the last two days? Lets see what today brings...

[u1arunit]

Could it be possible that the fear of him now taking over the office is what caused the market to slide nearly 1000 pionts in the last two days? Lets see what today brings...

I follow it daily as I invest and it has been either up and down before the election as well. Take it with a grain of salt.

[MBH]

I hope that Obama surprises me and turns out to be a fine President, but I have my doubts, especially since the Dems are in control. I think we're in for a slew of changes that could put our economy into an even nastier tailspin.

I have absolutely nothing against the man because of the color of his skin. Maybe the fact that he is black will help this country come together from that standpoint. I honestly hope that happens, as there is too much racism in this country - BOTH ways. I just wish Obama was a better fit for the job - with some experience and a proven track record.

Are we ever going to see a candidate who we can truly get excited about for the right reasons? Not because of his smooth speaking ability ( Clinton ) or the color of his skin, but because he, or she, has the right qualities, experience, values, dignity, and demeanor?
Stop being level headed, this is the internet.

I share your same beliefs. While I will support Obama when he is doing a good job, if he falters and makes poor decisions I'm sure that I won't hold back from voicing my opinion.

Now if the republican party can just get its act together and go back to their roots....

[MBH]

I follow it daily as I invest and it has been either up and down before the election as well. Take it with a grain of salt.
doubling capital gains tax will surely hurt the stock market.

[CobraII]

I hope that Obama surprises me and turns out to be a fine President, but I have my doubts, especially since the Dems are in control. I think we're in for a slew of changes that could put our economy into an even nastier tailspin.

I have absolutely nothing against the man because of the color of his skin. Maybe the fact that he is black will help this country come together from that standpoint. I honestly hope that happens, as there is too much racism in this country - BOTH ways. I just wish Obama was a better fit for the job - with some experience and a proven track record.

Are we ever going to see a candidate who we can truly get excited about for the right reasons? Not because of his smooth speaking ability ( Clinton ) or the color of his skin, but because he, or she, has the right qualities, experience, values, dignity, and demeanor?

Post of the year, in any forum.

Well, except for hot chick pics. :D

Whether it was McCain or Obama, the winner will inherit a mess, and it will take time and a huge effort to clean it up.

Part of the market slide is the short sellers taking profits after the market rose up through Tuesday.

[Twin01cobra]

I hope that Obama surprises me and turns out to be a fine President, but I have my doubts, especially since the Dems are in control. I think we're in for a slew of changes that could put our economy into an even nastier tailspin.

I have absolutely nothing against the man because of the color of his skin. Maybe the fact that he is black will help this country come together from that standpoint. I honestly hope that happens, as there is too much racism in this country - BOTH ways. I just wish Obama was a better fit for the job - with some experience and a proven track record.

Are we ever going to see a candidate who we can truly get excited about for the right reasons? Not because of his smooth speaking ability ( Clinton ) or the color of his skin, but because he, or she, has the right qualities, experience, values, dignity, and demeanor?

Hope and change, that's what were going to get. I hope he don't leave me with nothing but change in my pocket.

[billyNOTnice]

anyone else tired of hear about obama's dog selection??... I have a hard time believing a word that comes out of his mouth. I think he plays too much to the crowd. Anyone else notice it just always seems like he tends to say what people want to hear at the time, but if you go back and review some of his statements he contridicts himself depending on the crowd he's playing off to? I'm not saying he won't do well as president, but nobody walks on water if you know what i mean, and if nothing else comes from this election, at least we will have a president who gives the impression he knows what he's talking about unlike bush's stupid ass. Good riddance to that embarrassment of a leader.

[INSANELY CRAZY]

anyone else tired of hear about obama's dog selection??... I have a hard time believing a word that comes out of his mouth. I think he plays too much to the crowd. Anyone else notice it just always seems like he tends to say what people want to hear at the time, but if you go back and review some of his statements he contridicts himself depending on the crowd he's playing off to? I'm not saying he won't do well as president, but nobody walks on water if you know what i mean, and if nothing else comes from this election, at least we will have a president who gives the impression he knows what he's talking about unlike bush's stupid ass. Good riddance to that embarrassment of a leader.


they do this to get your vote,then f**k us. meanwhile he's laughing under his breath at everyone that just voted him in. im sure he will atleast be better then bush (which isnt very comparable).

[phillysrt4]

ooohhhhhh canada

do it, i dare you =P

I did. Thats why I havent been active recently.

I`m up north and its kind of interesting the way things are covered. In any event, I went where the money is and right now there is still a good economy so I took advantage of it.

However, with the trouble that GM and Ford are in its going to cause additional layoffs in Ontario which im sure is going to trickle down to the other provinces. In fact Ottawa recenty determined that Ontario is a `have not` province (first time EVER)! If one of the most stable economies in the world is starting to show trouble you know we`re only at the beginning and im 1000% sure that Obama is going to do nothing but make it worse.


they do this to get your vote,then f**k us. meanwhile he's laughing under his breath at everyone that just voted him in.

From what I`ve read, he is already changing his tune on a couple of economy-related issues.


btw - on the `race issue` I remember how blacks were critical of Obama because he wasn`t black enough yet i know one person who admitted to voting for him just because he was black.

[Chargin2004GT]

Ok I voted for McCain due to Obamas views on taxes and redistribution of wealth. I dont make 250k a year and will benifit from what he is saying, but I in no way this it is right to take more money from someone who is fortunate enough to have lucked out in life and make a good living. Cause if I one day luck out enough to find a position that I could make 250k a year I dont want to be taxed harder because of it. I work my ass off now, so why if I work harder do I have to pay more. That is my 110% reason for voting for McCain.

[burntire]

Ok I voted for McCain due to Obamas views on taxes and redistribution of wealth. I dont make 250k a year and will benifit from what he is saying, but I in no way this it is right to take more money from someone who is fortunate enough to have lucked out in life and make a good living. Cause if I one day luck out enough to find a position that I could make 250k a year I dont want to be taxed harder because of it. I work my ass off now, so why if I work harder do I have to pay more. That is my 110% reason for voting for McCain.

Do you realize the current tax structure is setup that way?

Someone making 20K is taxed at a lower rate than someone making 120K.

So I guess you a pissed at the current setup.

The Oboma plan was to tax the income above 250k at a higher rate. So if you make 250,001 you will be taxed higher on the $1 not the entire 250K.

[Chargin2004GT]

Do you realize the current tax structure is setup that way?

Someone making 20K is taxed at a lower rate than someone making 120K.

So I guess you a pissed at the current setup.

The Oboma plan was to tax the income above 250k at a higher rate. So if you make 250,001 you will be taxed higher on the $1 not the entire 250K.

And you see fairness in that how?

[burntire]

And you see fairness in that how?

Where is the fairness in the fact that I current pay a higher % of taxes than someone make 20k a year?

[burntire]

http://www.bargaineering.com/images/in_posts/projected-2009-income-tax-brackets.gif

[phillysrt4]

The way the current tax system is set up, there *has* to be a loophole or tax break system in place to allow them to skirt the supposed higher taxes. The flat tax idea was introduced several times and the last time I remember it being touted the tax rate was lower than any of the current tax brackets but it was shot down.

The only thing I can conclude from that is those with influence (read: wealthy) would have had to pay more with a flat tax than the current system with loopholes.

[burntire]

I am all for a consumption tax. All taxes are based on what you buy.

[phillysrt4]

thats where a lot of the revenue comes from up here. between federal and provincial taxes goods have between 12 and 14% tax. My paycheck up here has less taken out versus down in the states but the consumption tax (HST and GST) makes it pretty much even.

Cigarettes being $10.00 a pack is kind of a downer, but the taxes help subsidize the health care system so I guess its an even trade for those who smoke.

[u1arunit]

LOL Jeff at "Non India Tech Support" :)

[bluethunder]

I'm going to say something that I have always said, it just becomes more true with each passing year. " I love my country, I fear my goverment." And HE / THEY will start picking away at your gun rights, saying that it's reasonable that no one needs an assault weapon! Then it's no one really needs a semi-auto, then who really needs a gun of that large a caliber. And they will continue until you have no rights and no weapons. Remember , A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject! Although not a LIFE member, I have been an annual member of the NRA continuously since 1979 and also a member of the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) since 1986. Any one that owns a gun or a bike should be a member, protect your rights! (Although I will tell you that the NRA is kind of a pain because they are always sending stuff wanting more money.) You just have to ignore it after a while... There are annual dues, WWW.NRA.ORG (http://www.NRA.ORG) and WWW.AmericanMotorcyclist.COM (http://www.AmericanMotorcyclist.COM) or 1-800-AMA-JOIN.

[Troll]

BELIEVE the hype !!!
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYWAoSgS0w

...and even more: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-TZspqlOs

[INSANELY CRAZY]

BELIEVE the hype !!!
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYWAoSgS0w

...and even more: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-TZspqlOs

wow that second video is deep,lol... :awsome: