Project bigblock fox

[Inkdcountryboy]

Welp the project will be well on its way soon gathering up parts for now :thumbsup: got the motor and should have the tranny here soon. and rearend this week. then the build of everything will take place. Finish time? who knows! :rotflol:...heres a pic of the engine and car thou :goodidea:

[94svtcobra]

I love the creative project name, must have taken u hours to think of that

[Inkdcountryboy]

ehh.. it was gonna be project "mouse killer" but ya know i dont like to be cocky. so i stuck with a simple easy name lol. it should be beastly when completed tho!!

[map351]

Trans? C-4?

[John4cam]

Big block foxes ftw!

Keep this updated Dan..

[Inkdcountryboy]

Trans? C-4?


C6 as soon as i figure out if the one i found will bolt up lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

Big block foxes ftw!

Keep this updated Dan..


the latest update is those f^$%in heads are heavy!! :rotflol: my god i think one head equals the weight of a sbf! so now im deciding to just redo the heads orr go pro comp or trickflow.. :thumbsup:

[Inkdcountryboy]

Engines ready to be hottanked and machined! take it sometime this month hopefully:thumbsup:

[1badnotch]

Dan,
Looks like you're on your way to a wicked ride.:thumbsup: That BBF should make more than enough power to put a smile on your face. Keep me updated.
Mark

[Inkdcountryboy]

Dan,
Looks like you're on your way to a wicked ride.:thumbsup: That BBF should make more than enough power to put a smile on your face. Keep me updated.
Mark


thanks and i will keep everything updated.. im looking to have a 12.X e/t car :goodidea:

[Inkdcountryboy]

Just picked up the 8.8 for the project. itll be headed to tim at rodeheavers next pay. then we shall move onto the other goodies!!

[Inkdcountryboy]

Ordered the spool for it and ill order the axles and cover this week..then pick up a set of gears! then its onto ordering rear suspension then mount it all up!!

[scott5]

What kind of rear suspension you doin?
What kind of spool and axles you going with?

[Inkdcountryboy]

Auburn lightened spool. 31 spline 5 lug axles, and complete team-z rear suspension kit

[scott5]

Auburn lightened spool. 31 spline 5 lug axles, and complete team-z rear suspension kit

if your getting a spool why are you only going with 31 spine? Most people only do 31 spline for the simple fact that dont want to use a spool

[Inkdcountryboy]

Cause i got a killer deal on the 31spline spool lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

and if i ever wanted to swap it to be very streetable i can switch it out..easy to get a 31 spline locker

[scott5]

and if i ever wanted to swap it to be very streetable i can switch it out..easy to get a 31 spline locker

ok.. I was just curious and just throwing that out there cause they are the same price.. I am getting my rear-end and full rear suspension done by Team Z. Dave is the man:goodidea:

[Inkdcountryboy]

Im doing as much as possible myself in the shop.. i hate paying for labor i can do..and now that i have a nice place to do it...makes life alot easier. by spring we'll have a car lift in the shop so itll make things 10x easier lol

[scott5]

Im doing as much as possible myself in the shop.. i hate paying for labor i can do..and now that i have a nice place to do it...makes life alot easier. by spring we'll have a car lift in the shop so itll make things 10x easier lol

Yea we have a lift at the shop now too and best thing man ever made. haha

[Inkdcountryboy]

true that... i hate working with jacks and jackstands.. i wish we had a lift now for when the rearends done lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

but i dont need no 33-35spline stuff...little over kill for a 12second car dont ya think? lol

[03SnakePlissken]

What is being done to enhance the BB and what is it, a 429 or a 460? Is it going to be a stroker? Solid roller cam?

[Inkdcountryboy]

What is being done to enhance the BB and what is it, a 429 or a 460? Is it going to be a stroker? Solid roller cam?


Bored .30 over with flattops, some head work and a cam and intake. nothing to special :thumbsup: and its a 460

[Inkdcountryboy]

My pretty spool! :jump: ordering my moser's soon!!

[03SnakePlissken]

If you have yet to get a cam, may I suggest Scott Main at CamResearchCorp.com.

His cam won me a title in 3 clubs for sled pulling. He is a bit unusual and opinionated, but once you get past that.... you discover that his life is the 385 series Ford engines... and he knows whats going on.

If your running DOVE heads, look into a set of his port plates, or buy mine that I have from before I got the DOOE-R heads!

Check out his site, he has some nice things.

[somethingclever]

but i dont need no 33-35spline stuff...little over kill for a 12second car dont ya think? lol



Should be an easy low 12/high 11 car...


I had a stock 460 with a carb, intake, cam, headers and went 12.1's @ 112 on 17" DR's with a pretty stock c6 and 3.50 gears. Car weight was a hefty 3520 and your fox should come in a little lighter. :goodidea:

Best part is that I had less money in that whole engine than most people have in a set of decent SBF cyl heads. :thmbsup:

[Inkdcountryboy]

well im probably gonna ditch the stock heads and do a set of pro-comps. it should make decent power... but like i was saying i dont think itll break 31spline axles.. and im gonna do a C4 to save weight..im thinking about installing chromoloy(spelling) bumper bars to cut down on weight. im saying high 11's low 12s to be modest it could be faster who knows i dont wanna have high expectations and get left down lol

[somethingclever]

Do yourself a favor and do not get pro comp heads.

And this is coming from a seriously low-buck guy....they're not worth it.

Either run the stockers or see how much 03snakeplissken wants for his D0OE-R's and get a piston with some dish to keep the compression at pump gas level.

Or

Get a set of real alum heads.....SCJ, TFS streets, P-51's, BT's...etc.

Lem Evans has a SMOKIN deal on SCJ's right now, and if you're buying pistons anyway, you can get the correct ones for those heads.

[Inkdcountryboy]

i dont wanna dump a crap pile of money on heads..i was gonna buy bare pro comps then buy really good springs and really good valves for them..kinda piece them together

[Martin0660]

but i dont need no 33-35spline stuff...little over kill for a 12second car dont ya think? lol

You would think unless it's under my car. Then 60 spline or something is in order ;)

[Inkdcountryboy]

You would think unless it's under my car. Then 60 spline or something is in order ;)


your cars just crazy!! lol i cant believe your blowing rears out left and right.. :rotflol: those 2.3's are wicked monsters.....got any stock turbo setups laying around to bolt onto my 2.3 and see what she'll do? what i can break LOL

[03SnakePlissken]

i dont wanna dump a crap pile of money on heads..i was gonna buy bare pro comps then buy really good springs and really good valves for them..kinda piece them together

Unless your heading north of 700HP (crank), a DOV-E casting with good porting will be just fine. You can make fine HP wit the C8 to DO casting, even the D3 is not bad. PI and DOOE-R heads are a smal step up, but past that the new Kasse heads.

As for Lem and Charlie..... only Doctor Charlie will ever touch my heads. F'ing unreal what he does.

My 521 went to Lem and Charlie and when it left it was a SVO block 521 with EX heads and intake with a single Pro-Systems Dom running only C-14, no drugs or boost. It put out just shy of 1,000 HP.... natually aspirated... on gas..... single carb.

[Inkdcountryboy]

im trying to go aluminum heads to save some weight.. how much are kasse heads?

[Inkdcountryboy]

trick flows might be i nthe price range for it.. im still debating what pistons an rods i want i wanna get my shortblock built first

[03SnakePlissken]

It's the Allum FMS SCJ A-460 head. Jon Kasse is the designer, sorry for confusing you. Cal Lem at BF Evans Ford in Owenscoro KY for a price and see if he may have a used set. Have Charlie do your porting... now or later.... Charlie is special!

[03SnakePlissken]

Try this: http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/

Yea, I spelled Kaase wrong. Sue me.

[Inkdcountryboy]

the super cobra jets dont look to bad...not bad for $950each.... those could be a possiblity also

[03SnakePlissken]

The A-460 heads (newer ones) are a redesign that Jon did to correct for some of the shortcomings in the original. Jon did design the old A-460 head as well, but as he grew up/older.... he got wiser and technology allowed him to go rethink some points of the design and enhance them. If you want a head you can grow into, go with the new Kaase FMS A-460 head. If you want a head that will require 500+ci and support nearly 600ci as you grow.... the EX-514 works great there.

Charlie Evans felt that my 521 was about as small an engine as my EX-514 heads would support, any smaller CI would have too slow of port velocity and...blah blah, you know what I mean.

[somethingclever]

Inkdcountryboy said he didn't want to spend the coin on a set of $1700 SCJ's. I really don't think he'll be considering EX514 or similar.

He also said this engine will be 460ci, not 521-600.

Remember this is a low-buck pump gas street car that will (*I'm assuming*) get a solid flat tappet cam.

[somethingclever]

trick flows might be i nthe price range for it.. im still debating what pistons an rods i want i wanna get my shortblock built first


Don't build the shortblock until you know what heads you're going with. Some heads require the pistons to be notched in a much different spot.

Don't put the cart before the horse.

[03SnakePlissken]

Inkdcountryboy said he didn't want to spend the coin on a set of $1700 SCJ's. I really don't think he'll be considering EX514 or similar.

He also said this engine will be 460ci, not 521-600.

Remember this is a low-buck pump gas street car that will (*I'm assuming*) get a solid flat tappet cam.

I used a Cam Reasearch Corp solid flat in a 466 and had great results it was on ported DOV-E heads with port plates and flat tops (cheap TRW's) and made 394 at the wheels through a C6/NP-205/Dana 80. I would guess it was 550-575 crank HP or so and it was a pump gas build. With the heavy truck trans/transfer case/rear end, your expecting about a 30-35% loss.

We were very happy with how the power came on early and yet would allow us to run 6500-7000 RPM down the track.

That had Manley steel H-beams and a OEM 460 crank in a 2 bolt block. It never came apart, it was eventually pulled and put in the garage where it has been resting for maybe 7-8 years now. Soon it will be placed under the hood of a 86 T-Bird or a 84 Camaro. The camaro with a 460 would really be kind of neat.

[somethingclever]

I used a Cam Reasearch Corp solid flat in a 466 and had great results it was on ported DOV-E heads with port plates and flat tops (cheap TRW's) and made 394 at the wheels through a C6/NP-205/Dana 80. .


Now that sounds like an excellent street build. :thumbsup:

Low buck and good power....

Edit: Although with flat tops and small chamber heads that sounds like something that could've needed race fuel. Did you run pump on it? With a true flat top (except for valve relief) @ 0 deck, .040 gasket and 73cc heads, that's above pump gas compression ratio.

[03SnakePlissken]

It was intended for Sunoco Ultra with a bottle of 104+. That is how it ran most of the time because the rules we were sled pulling with said no race fuels allowed, and you could not hide the majical scent of VP/Cam2/Turbo-Blue!

I did not push the timing out as far with the pump gas, I ran it locked at 36 degrees. On VP C-14 I would set the timing out at 38 degrees. It actually made 8 more HP at 38 degrees on the chassis dyno.... but on the pump gas it did not like it.

It was a true 0 deck flat top with DOVE heads, the pistons were cut for the cam, if my memory serves me correct it was a 0.620" cam.

The combustion chamber was smoothed and polished. No sharp edges were left. Used Childs and Albert gapless rings. I had Manley stainless valves back then, nothing exotic.

It also had a 4150 750 HP-Pro series that I had holley custom shop add a 850 throttle body base plate to and custom machine the 750 lower main body to connect the ports. Yea, I cheated a bit. I still have that carb I believe. It was a monster.

We ran that on the dyno with a port matched Wiend Stelth SCJ intake. Later (and not dyno'ed) I changed to a Victor with a Dominator. It REALLY liked the intake and carb swap. Massive change in the way it pulled down the track.

[somethingclever]

Ya..I ran the numbers and you were around 11.85:1 on a flat tappet cammed iron-headed deal which is certainly too high unless there's no timing in it.

Still sounds like a nice setup to "stay within the rules.". :)

[03SnakePlissken]

Did you ever see Scott Johnstons little wedge head V-Cut thing he does? Scott's site is reincarnation automotive or something real similar. He claimed that allowed him increase CR on lower octane fuels. I never tried that, but the concept of a more violent quench makes sense.

[03SnakePlissken]

Ya..I ran the numbers and you were around 11.85:1 on a flat tappet cammed iron-headed deal which is certainly too high unless there's no timing in it.

Still sounds like a nice setup to "stay within the rules.". :)

I'll look for my little build notes tonight or tomorow night and verify, but for some reason I remember that engine being around 10.5 as planned.

[Inkdcountryboy]

well my crank turned out to be headed to the scrap pile.. so im gonna stroke and poke it..i gotta figure out what kinda cubes i can get with only going .30 over id go .60 but thats probably pushing it for a streey motor. i ordered my 31spline mosers tonight. so now all i need is a set of 3:73 and a bearing and seal kit. to get the rearend mostly together other than my c-clip elim's and my heavy duty cover!

[03SnakePlissken]

Check with Mark Petros at Greensburg Machine and Driveline for your gears and such. He usually beats Randy's and all the big sites, and he really knows his chit. He can ship to you also, or install for you if desired.

[Inkdcountryboy]

thanks but ill probably just get a set of ford gears off here an i setup my own rear's pretty simple process dont need a degree in rearend technology lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

Got the rearend in primer. waiting for the spool n axles to get here now..and gotta hook up with someone an get 3:73s this weekend ill probably order my bearing and seals by friday.. still waiting to hear about a set of axles braces.. might buy that kit for $179 off ebay with the Rear cover.... i linked it under general tech and no one had a response to it good nor bad... so still gotta figure that out.

[somethingclever]

I got a nice internal balance 429 crank and 429 rods if you're interested. (cheap!)

You have a cam picked out yet? I got a buddy selling an Edelbrock performer rpm with matching lifters he'll sell real cheap as well. It's a hydraulic flat tappet (no maintenance). Would be a nice street/strip cam for something in the 429-472" range.

Sorry though....no 3.73's. Which would be a good gear for your combo if running a 26" tire.

[Inkdcountryboy]

ill keep your crank/rods in mind..im thinking of doing a stroker kit for it. havnt decided waiting till the cars done before i play with the motor lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

once the rears done my next choice is gonna be team z rear suspension kit #1 or #2 off the site...once i get that in i can assemble the back end!!!!! wohoo lol

[Inkdcountryboy]

Spool and axles arrived today..so now onto buying the rest of the parts needed to finish this here job...but heres a couple pics of the rear i got it in primer till the braces are on then ill paint it all :thumbsup:

[scott5]

Strip series 1 is what me and mike(wolfpack) are going with. it may be alil more that what you will need for the goal that you have. But that #2 is a great setup also

[somethingclever]

When you dropping your car off Scott? (Or is it already there?)

[Inkdcountryboy]

just got home from a trip to lmm..got my 8.8 rebuild kit and a rearend girdle.. im gonna put the center section together this weekend..

[scott5]

When you dropping your car off Scott? (Or is it already there?)

Not yet.. I decided im going to use another body (00) instead of my 95 so i have to do a few more things to it before it can go.. Should be going sometime this winter.


just got home from a trip to lmm..got my 8.8 rebuild kit and a rearend girdle.. im gonna put the center section together this weekend..

What girdle you go with?

[Inkdcountryboy]

i got a Mac... and i think im also gonna go with the strip series 1 also for my rear suspension... all i gotta find to finish this 8.8 project is a deal on c-clip elim's.. and a a disc brake setup off a 94-98 v6 car for the rear!

[Inkdcountryboy]

Welp..got pretty much everything needed for the rear swap except brakes and my pinion.... hopefully grab my anti roll bar this week and c-clip elims...then its onto the front end!! i cant wait to start tearin this car down and fill in the engine bay and clean it all up

[1Badbird]

Nice, sounds like you're moving right along with it!

[Inkdcountryboy]

Nice, sounds like you're moving right along with it!


man im trying..its a long expensive road for sure haha... i been dropping every extra dollar into the car.. but its moving along quicker then i expected..im hoping to have the rear and front suspension done by xmas :thumbsup:

[1Badbird]

The way you're going with it you might make it by Thanksgiving. I wish I had the know how and cash to throw into the Bird. But then again I'm thinking of continuing on as I've been, as something needs replaced up grade that and keep it mostly stock, it's mostly for show anyhow. Then eventually get a Mustang to play around with.

[Inkdcountryboy]

The way you're going with it you might make it by Thanksgiving. I wish I had the know how and cash to throw into the Bird. But then again I'm thinking of continuing on as I've been, as something needs replaced up grade that and keep it mostly stock, it's mostly for show anyhow. Then eventually get a Mustang to play around with.

by thanksgiving would be sweet but riding seasons about over so...my funds are about over lol. and trust me i wish i had the know how to do this car...im just winging it.. i figure put it together and see what breaks then make that piece stronger..and keep going from there :rofl:

[Mater]

lunch

[Inkdcountryboy]

lunch



...yes LSX's will be lunch..i know :rofl:

[Mater]

dont think!!!!:hehe:

[Inkdcountryboy]

Still slowly collecting.. need to get my butt in gear and go get a pinion so i can get the rearend done.. its gonna go real slow for awhile..still debating dropping my 351 in for awhile..it all depends how the spring takes off at the shop..if were real busy then ill just order the rotating assembly and heads for bigblock..im hoping to have the rearend and all the rear suspension all on the shelves ready to go by xmas, dont got room to work on it anymore had to put it in storage with the Gt so i wont be able to do any real work till the guys come get the boats outta the shop lol

[somethingclever]

I figured you'd already abondoned the project...saw the car listed on craigslist.

[Inkdcountryboy]

na was feeling it out..in case i had too...no one even had any serious offers. was surprised figured people wanted clean foxes lol.. im selling the winter car i got. just gonna drive the cummins. if i end up buying this big rig ill have all kinda spare $$ for the build lol