more on injectors.

[Gray 5.0]

when i do the blower install should i do 42lb injectors or go a little bigger. nothing on motor is stock and im going to be running 12lbs with h/c/i combo

[wick]

60's

[Gray 5.0]

now can it be tuned well even with that much fuel on tap or will it alter the mixture to rich?

[wick]

Yes. It can be tuned. 42's you will run out. You have to get tuned though.

[wick]

I had 44's and ran out of fuel at 480HP.

[cwh19]

I had 44's and ran out of fuel at 480HP.


wheel or flywheel ?

This is a topic I've been thinking about too

[gmkillr]

FMS green top 42's are very close to 100% duty cycle at around 500 rwhp so it is best to step up to the Seimens Deka 60's as they are good to 650-750 rwhp and they only cost about $100 more than the 42's.:)

[wick]

wheel or flywheel ?

This is a topic I've been thinking about too

Wheel.


FMS green top 42's are very close to 100% duty cycle at around 500 rwhp so it is best to step up to the Seimens Deka 60's as they are good to 650-750 rwhp and they only cost about $100 more than the 42's.:)


Exactly. You can even find some good deals on new slightly used ones.

[wick]

I dont play with flywheel HP.

[cwh19]

I dont play with flywheel HP.


hahah i guessed not :goodidea:

[Gray 5.0]

ok what maf do i go with???

[wick]

Thats entirely yor choice there. How do you want the car to be set up as? Do you want to do an intercooler like mine? You could do a blow through meter and run a BOV. Or you can do a sucker meter and run a draw though meter. A blow through will give the best results for sure. I personally like the Pro-M meters. I have used PMAS also. It was good but the pro-M is better in my opinion. Then you have SCT meters. With those you HAVE to have a tune to get it running as the meter and fuel injectors go hand in hand. You cant get an SCT calibrated for 60's to start it up whereas you can with the Pro-M and PMAS. Stay away from the C&L meters.

[Gray 5.0]

i want to do an intercooler down the road a bit but i think a bov would sound mean on a fox. its a vortech v1 and the goal is 12lbs what set up do u think would work the best?? im stumped on the maf part

[wick]

Its an A trim right? You will need to pulley the hell out of it. Remember, boost is a measure of restriction. You leave stock heads on it you could see 12 PSI, change to better heads and you could see 10 or less. I would for now do the 95mm draw through meter unless you are willing to spend the winter and do the front mount intercooler also. Search my threads here and you can see how I did mine.

[Gray 5.0]

who makes good draw through

[349Stroker]

u want a pmas meter and just buy the 95mm velocity and that will be the last meter you will buy and no it isn't too big.There is no such thing so don't let anyone tell you different and if you are leaving stock heads on this car or even a small aluminum head with less than 10 psi(which it will be with an a trim) you don't need 60's. With 60's you have room to grow but if you aren't planning on growing then use 42's. They are stock ecu friendly. I bought 60's for 265 shipped off of corral before but that was over a year ago.

Throw the fmu in the garbage too if you have one.No need for that either.42's will be fine without it

[wick]

Listen to whoever you want. ^^^ Who has blown more motors than you can imagine. Or from good experience. 60's and never look back. They cost the same.

[349Stroker]

If you are referring to me about blowing motors not sure where that info came from.I don't need a power adder to run 10's and have built 14 cars in my life so i believe i have experience on my side also.Another thing you must look at is duty cycle.A stock headed car with 60 lb injectors will not run the injectors at a good enough cycle.A 12 second car doesn't need 60's lol.

[venom]

42's here with my one dyno-queen run @ 538. They have worked for me for the last 5 years, but 60's are a great upgrade.

[349Stroker]

42's here with my one dyno-queen run @ 538. They have worked for me for the last 5 years, but 60's are a great upgrade.

exactly and a stock headed car with an a trim has no hope of coming anywhere near that number

[Gray 5.0]

i have patriot 185cc aluminum heads. nothing on this motor is stock

[349Stroker]

42's still good

wanna go 60's go ahead but you will need a tune for sure or a tuning device because 60's won't run off the stock ecu without help.Still don't see but 400 rwhp and 42's are plenty for that

[wick]

Post 3 says he is getting it tuned. Do 60's and dont look back. I made the mistake of running 44's and wont ever do that again. Your car, your choice. Good luck.:thumbsup:

[Gray 5.0]

my main concern is doing the right maf and yes it willbe getting tuned before its even driven. with a modded motor and 10 to 12lbs what type of numbers will i see? any estimate?

[wick]

Depends on the mods. You could get over 500. A buddy of mine with a stock block put out 606 on the rollers. He has a T-trim though.

[349Stroker]

my main concern is doing the right maf and yes it willbe getting tuned before its even driven. with a modded motor and 10 to 12lbs what type of numbers will i see? any estimate?



when you order a meter for 60's they are gonna wanna know what tuner you are going to use. Use the 95mm velocity.

If it puts out more than 400- 425 rwhp I'd be suprised

[wick]

With a stock headed motor and a SysteMax II intake, 95mm velocity meter I made 397.66/397.77@ 5200. Added a set of twisted wedges and got 48? @ 4500. You can make power, just select a good combo. I already told you what works well. Consider if you are going to do the intercooler now or later and how much later. That should be your deciding factor in the meter. I believe I already mentioned the Pmas 95mm velocity. I had one and it was great. My second tuner said it was off calibration by 20% but didnt really matter. He fixed that in the tune.

[Pure Stock]

With a stock headed motor and a SysteMax II intake, 95mm velocity meter I made 397.66/397.77@ 5200. Added a set of twisted wedges and got 48? @ 4500. You can make power, just select a good combo. I already told you what works well. Consider if you are going to do the intercooler now or later and how much later. That should be your deciding factor in the meter. I believe I already mentioned the Pmas 95mm velocity. I had one and it was great. My second tuner said it was off calibration by 20% but didnt really matter. He fixed that in the tune.

And if I'm not mistaken, the 397.66 was generated with a "very" conservative tune.

[wick]

And if I'm not mistaken, the 397.66 was generated with a "very" conservative tune.

Not very, EXTREMELY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Conservative... ou got to see the results only an hour after the event took place, in carlisle.:thmbsup:

[Gray 5.0]

ur bud who laid 606 his name isnt winkler is it, red 93 cobra???

[wick]

ur bud who laid 606 his name isnt winkler is it, red 93 cobra???


HAHAHA Yep... I assume you know him. I have probably seen you around then if you do.

[silvernotch]

606! wonder what it will do in a lighter car??

[Gray 5.0]

ya he lives down the road from me. silver notch i love the car i used 2 c urs at shows and wanted one just couldnt find one so went with a gt

[Gray 5.0]

now i have a way nicer blue gt not the gray one. maybe now i wont feel bad parking near u guys. also im good friends with shipleys, believe u know them??

[wick]

I dont know if I know shipleys or not. I met a good bit of folks knowing silvernotch. You have probably seen my car then if you see silvernotch at cruises. I am usually with him along with the others.

[Gray 5.0]

what are u driving Wick?? and i know silver notch and winkler know the ships. i think they are cousins?? who knows

[wick]

The red GT with the blower whine. Cant miss it. Polished '99 cobra wheels. Almost always have my son with me.

[vitaleffects626]

yea i saw the red 93 doing a burnout on thanksgiving when i was painting my stang its def badass

[wick]

yea i saw the red 93 doing a burnout on thanksgiving when i was painting my stang its def badass

HAHAH So that explaines it then....

[Gray 5.0]

is it dark red? if it is and uve been to shows around here most likely ive seen it

[biminiLX]

Its red with sprinkles :)
Also for this injector debate, my buddies '93 Cobra makes 475rwhp with 10# from a Novi 2000 using 42# and single 255lph intank.
-J

[349Stroker]

the green lx on here that went 12's has now had 42's in it and went 10.1 and the previous had 42's in it and went mid 10's with a stick and 9.90's with a c4 with 42's and 15 psi for years and no tuner.That car had a 1:1 reg on it and was tuned with timing and fp

[93FOX]

go bigger have it tuned for them injectors if u ever plan on doing more got nothing to worry about if u dont plan on anything else go with 42's

[wick]

is it dark red? if it is and uve been to shows around here most likely ive seen it


Yep.

Its red with sprinkles :)
Also for this injector debate, my buddies '93 Cobra makes 475rwhp with 10# from a Novi 2000 using 42# and single 255lph intank.
-J


HAHaHAHA Thanks J.

[Gray 5.0]

ok so i got the injectors under control so now where do i buy the pmas maf and everything else i need??

[wick]

Shop on corral. They are always on there used real cheap.

[Gray 5.0]

ill check that but where can i find it new??

[349Stroker]

Shop on corral. They are always on there used real cheap.



what he said just watch who you are buying from and make sure you get pics


If you want a new 95mm velocity go to ebay.That is the cheapest you will find it

[Gray 5.0]

these any good?? http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1033632

[wick]

Arts parts sells them new. Go into googles and punch in PMAS 95mm Velocity. It will bring up more vendors and dealers than you can shake a split block at.

[wick]

these any good?? http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1033632

Yeah but as I told you before, use that one for a blow through system. Use the metal one though.

[Gray 5.0]

ok ill look into that when i order the injectors

[wick]

Are you going to run blow through and a BOV with the blower? If not or dont ever plan to then get the PMAS one.

[Gray 5.0]

probably not any time soon. do u have any links for the pmas one???

[wick]

Nope. Just google PMAS. You will get so many. Poweradder solutions might sell them to. Talk to Chris.

[cwh19]

So if you do a blow threw setup, does the meter go right before the throttle body?

[wick]

So if you do a blow threw setup, does the meter go right before the throttle body?

Withen reason, yes. After the intercooler and before the TB. Put the BOV between the blower and cooler. I have reasons for the placement of the BOV plus others also said its a good place to put it.

[cwh19]

Withen reason, yes. After the intercooler and before the TB. Put the BOV between the blower and cooler. I have reasons for the placement of the BOV plus others also said its a good place to put it.

Ok I remember that now. Just trying to gather some info on this because I want to change my setup to something very similair to yours.

[Gray 5.0]

ok wick i need your advice yet again. i said hell with it and am going to do an intercooler and bov. can u grace me with your knowledge on all u know like what bov to look at, sum stuff on intercoolers?? and then the blow through design maf. help a kid out?

[wick]

Yeah. I might actually sell my set up which would put you in a good spot and you would only need a BOV and cooler. PM me your number and I can go into detail later this evening. Look at my radiator thread and see how I did mine.