PRP sucks!!!

[Balaska347]

I have been reading alot of people on here talking ***t on PRP. I race there every weekend and the only problems I see are the same ones I see at alot of other tracks I go to.

I started this thread to see what things people don't like about PRP.

[INSANELY CRAZY]

take to long to clean track after a spill, only get 2 sometimes 3 runs for $20... operated poorly... wasent to bad when it was keystone. just my .02

[03 OW SVT]

Never been there butt now that QCR is closed I guess that's my only choice locally.

[Stangman701]

take to long to clean track after a spill, only get 2 sometimes 3 runs for $20... operated poorly... wasent to bad when it was keystone. just my .02

That basically sums it up. I went there twice last year I think and got a total of 5 runs.

[wick]

Yeah, thats my major complaint. $20.00 and you get 2 or 3 runs. Just not worth it. The first time I went there was at the end of summer, I got in 6 passes. That was awesome.

[mikeymustang]

1. They know NOTHING about buisness... Return calls/ e-mails would be nice...

2. Stones = saftey hazzard

3. On a test and tune night don't have a gamblers race it only cuts into test and tune time . Possibly have a street car only T&T...I have heard alot of other tracks get 5-10 test and tune runs.

4. Be prompt if you start at 6:00 start at 6:00 NOT 6:30. get the ball rolling and keep the cars moving.

5. Don't play favoites...I have heard them on the 2 way radio on RACE day telling the spotter put X racer in lane b "cause he doesn't like it". also heard them on the radio telling the clean up to stall cause they want to get home early.
If anyone is interested in the freqs let me know its very interesting/useful to know when its your turn to be ready to race.

thats my 2 cents...Ill think of more I am sure

Mike

[Balaska347]

I agree that it does take a long time to clean up a spill sometimes. I don't think that the track wants to clean up fluids off the track. They always stress if something doesn't seem right (smoke, noise), stop the car safely and they will get you off the track. Do you know how many times I have seen people break in the first hundred feet and continue down the whole 1/4 mile. That turns a 10 min clean up into a hour because of the driver. Also does any one know how hard it is to clean up synthetic oils compared to conventional oils and rearend fluid needs to be burned off the track. If the track cleaned up the spill half a$$ and people spun off the line they would **tch because of that. One time I was at BSD and they cleaned up a spill quick, but the next car down the track almost lost it a half track, so they had to clean it some more (thats a true story).

I also agree that everyone wants more than 2 or 3 runs, but when you have 200 - 300 cars and most of them have no idea what they are doing it is kind of hard. Some things just aren't possible.

When I go out to a bar and have some drinks with friends I spend more than $20. Prices aren't always going to stay the same. A gallon of milk used to be 25 cents and now its $3, gas prices, kennywood, cigs, they have all gone up (inflation). Does anyone no what it costs just for PRP to open, the costs of insurance, or to pay the ambulance to be there?

I am just trying to help people see that PRP isn't that bad.

If anyone on here could manage the track what would you do different?
I'm just curious because if they are good ideas I will suggest them to the track. :)

[sutyak]

Staging lanes directly behind the burnout box!
Hello rocks!

I don't have a problem with the track itself.
Always hooked decent for me.

[stanggrrl]

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[Ares]

I never really have had any issues with PRP. Been racing at the track since 1993 when it was Keystone and umm it is FAR FAR better then it was in those days. I know I really avoid TnT days unless they happen on a weekend for the simple fact that there are many cars that show that you never see on a race day and they are usually the first to break and cause all kinds of problems. Besides I prefer the track prep of a race day as I never have issues then. Of the hand full of TnT's I went to last year I always had 4 runs and no less. That is fine for me as anything more is just hotlapping.

Yes the gravel sucks but the alternative is A: grass it over then everyone bitches about mud after light rain or B: blacktop it over and then everyone bitches about the cost of admission going up. Either way people are gonna bitch. Staging in the "street" lanes and your the lead car in the row. Then you need to put your hood up. What would really help is if people actual cleaned off rocks and debris from their tires. Then that would stop cars/people from being hit or the added time it takes to clean starting line.

[wick]

If they black topped it, it would not be that much, Mike and Carmen are in good with Sonny Tresco. Thats who did the paving after we made it longer a few years back. What they almost have to do is make TnT night for street cars and street cars only. Have another night for the slick cars, bikes, jr's and whatever else. There are so many street cars there that there is no time for anything else. If that was the only thing running, business would be grreat. They would have two TnT nights, more revenue and happier people. People would come for sure.

[u1arunit]

If they black topped it, it would not be that much, Mike and Carmen are in good with Sonny Tresco. Thats who did the paving after we made it longer a few years back. What they almost have to do is make TnT night for street cars and street cars only. Have another night for the slick cars, bikes, jr's and whatever else. There are so many street cars there that there is no time for anything else. If that was the only thing running, business would be grreat. They would have two TnT nights, more revenue and happier people. People would come for sure.

I agree totally. There are just too many cars to get enough runs when they try to do it all in one weekday evening.

[gmkillr]

Ive been there on quite a few occasions for 10-12 hours & got in 2 runs.
Taking 2+ hours for a cleanup when other tracks take less than an hour!!!

[5k#Eaton]

we should all ivest a few grand and co own a track lol run by fords for fords

[wick]

we should all ivest a few grand and co own a track lol run by fords for fords



HAHAHAHAAH BFFF.

[Viper_ed]

we should all ivest a few grand and co own a track lol run by fords for fords

MikeyMustang tried, but they won't return him emails of phone calls.

[Pure Stock]

1. They know NOTHING about buisness... Return calls/ e-mails would be nice...

2. Stones = saftey hazzard

3. On a test and tune night don't have a gamblers race it only cuts into test and tune time . Possibly have a street car only T&T...I have heard alot of other tracks get 5-10 test and tune runs.

4. Be prompt if you start at 6:00 start at 6:00 NOT 6:30. get the ball rolling and keep the cars moving.

5. Don't play favoites...I have heard them on the 2 way radio on RACE day telling the spotter put X racer in lane b "cause he doesn't like it". also heard them on the radio telling the clean up to stall cause they want to get home early.
If anyone is interested in the freqs let me know its very interesting/useful to know when its your turn to be ready to race.

thats my 2 cents...Ill think of more I am sure

Mike

Yeah, exactly. Went to Cecil and IF it was closer I'd be there weekly without a doubt!!!! And the starting line has teeth in it and it's 320 ft. above sea level, and it's fast, and it's efficient, and etc.

[JETHRO]

Thats why I autocross now. I can get 10 runs in if I want that last about a minute and it only takes about 6 hours. Not a whole lot of people like the twisties but once youre hOoked youre hooked. How bout it KILLERCANARY?

[Balaska347]

A buddy of mine tried autocross last year and he liked it a lot. He said there were only four other cars in his class and he got a lot of runs. I think it was beaver run. I am planning on taking the bike there.

[urgonnaluz2me]

ive raced at alot of tracks over the years i would say prp is the worst managed track ive ever been to.they play favorites to alot of people and some of tech people are as dumb as the rocks in the pits.clean up takes way to long.they have gamblers race on test and tune and the food is to high priced.prp wants to get a national event please i would say it would never happen because they have no idea how to run the track.

[CobraII]

Hello to all. I just wanted to make a few points about PRP. I do *not* work for the track. I do, however, write the e-newsletter, so I have some information that not everyone does. I respect everyone's opinions, and all I'm asking is that you respect mine. I love to race and am there every weekend, where a bad day racing is better than a good day at work. I've met good people (Balaska347 is like a brother to me, and Ares/Ed is good people), and it's a community I like being a part of.
Test n tunes on Wednesday nights will not have a gambler's race in '07. The weekend test n tunes that start and finish the season will. I understand what people say about only getting a few runs... I'm in the same boat if I'm up there on a Weds night. In my opinion, I don't think separate nights for street cars would work.... you're splitting the car count, and wouldn't get enough on both to make it economically feasible for the track. Remember, they have to pay employees, insurance, utilities, ambulance crew, etc. Gates will open at 5:30, runs will go from 6:30-10:30. Rainouts on Wednesdays will be made up on Thursdays, schedule permitting. With no gambler's race, and with the plan to keep the program running smooth and quick, I think the number of runs should go up. Of course, the track has no control over the number of cars, and if those cars oil down, break, etc.
I'm not a fan of the stones either. I'm a big guy who doesn't go down easily. I once got hit by one in the upper staging lanes in the neck that put me down and left a very ugly angry welt. I was pretty ticked off, and also thankful it didn't hit me in the eyes, or hit a kid. All racers can make this better by checking and cleaning their tires and wheelwells. I would like to see pits like QCR or the left lane side of NRP/SEMRP, but it's not my call, or money. And, if it means the track stays open, I'll live with the stones. None of us like the unnecessarily long delays for clean ups, and have voiced that opinion to the race director and track manager. I believe this will get better.
I don't believe they play favorites, particularly in eliminations. Odd numbered lanes get the left lane, even numbered lanes get the right lane. If the lane is being pulled out back to back, first car goes left, second car goes right. The racer pulled out for the bye run always has lane choice.
I can't speak to the issue of returned phone calls or emails, as I haven't had that experience. What I can say if there's anything I can do to help, I'd be glad to try. Again, just my opinion, but I think management realizes that the racers are the customers, and they want happy customers, even though it's impossible to please 100% of the people 100% of the time. There is a lot happening for 2007, and it should be a lot of fun. I hope you all have fun too.

ChuckT

[Viper_ed]

I just don't understand why the dumb f$cks that run this place won't realize that if they had test n tunes every night of the week, the place would still be packed and making money!


BTW Chuck :welcome4: to SCS. Hopefully you'll stick around for more than just posting about PRP! :beerchug:

[mikeymustang]

With the closing of QCR, I am sure some if not most racers will come PRP...I hope they PRP thought of this?

Mike

[Cam99]

Most of us on this board have raced at other tracks and can attest to how much smoother things run elsewhere. Clean-up is terribly long, there is really no tech( at least on T&T nights), and The general feeling you get bieng a street car is that you are a necessary evil that is there to fund the track, and not the valueable patron that you are. They know this is the only local track and no matter how bad it sucks there will still be a crowd so things won't change IMHO.

[Pure Stock]

Most of us on this board have raced at other tracks and can attest to how much smoother things run elsewhere. Clean-up is terribly long, there is really no tech( at least on T&T nights), and The general feeling you get bieng a street car is that you are a necessary evil that is there to fund the track, and not the valueable patron that you are. They know this is the only local track and no matter how bad it sucks there will still be a crowd so things won't change IMHO.

:iagree:

[INSANELY CRAZY]

as long as there are changes in the works for '07 then more people will go back and not talk so much crap.... but why would they spend more $ to improve when it's always packed on T&T night, as long as everyone keeps going, things prolly wont get any better there.. all they see is $$$$$$$
my .02

[CobraII]

Test n tune every night of the week Viper Ed? You must have more $$$ than me! :) And some indestructible parts! :D

Mike, PRP is definitely aware that more racers will be coming with QCR's unfortunate closing.

I've raced and seen a lot of other tracks too, and PRP is no different. Every track has their occasional clusterfudge, whether it's bad track prep, bad clean up, etc. I'm a street car too, and I know exactly what you mean about being treated like a necessary evil. However, I think that's an attitude that's changing.

ChuckT

[Viper_ed]

Test n tune every night of the week Viper Ed? You must have more $$$ than me! :) And some indestructible parts! :D

I wouldn't go everynight, but there are a ton of the 16 second ricers that would be there hot lapping all week if given the chance and we all know how indestructable those stock part engines plus a coffee can exhaust tip are. Bottom line is, they would draw a crowd every night of the week if they were open.

[coralcoupe1993]

Most of us on this board have raced at other tracks and can attest to how much smoother things run elsewhere. Clean-up is terribly long, there is really no tech( at least on T&T nights), and The general feeling you get bieng a street car is that you are a necessary evil that is there to fund the track, and not the valueable patron that you are. They know this is the only local track and no matter how bad it sucks there will still be a crowd so things won't change IMHO.

I have been to some great tracks by Columbus!

[Balaska347]

Maybe I see the track different because I see it from a racers veiw. I'm at the track every week because I love racing and competition, and at the same time I get to play with my pony. So I do see the track making improvements. I never go on TNT days because I already now what my car runs, and I can't stand the ricers reving the *hit out of their 4 banger and dumping the clutch at 10,000 RPM and breaking an axle. If I wanted to see that I would hang out at Wal-mart in BV.

I don't think any one would care about the track if they got 10 runs. The old keystone street lane were made of dirt and rocks. Does anyone remember that. No, because everyone got 10 runs.:)

[5k#Eaton]

Maybe I see the track different because I see it from a racers veiw. I'm at the track every week because I love racing and competition, and at the same time I get to play with my pony. So I do see the track making improvements. I never go on TNT days because I already now what my car runs, and I can't stand the ricers reving the *hit out of their 4 banger and dumping the clutch at 10,000 RPM and breaking an axle. If I wanted to see that I would hang out at Wal-mart in BV.

I don't think any one would care about the track if they got 10 runs. The old keystone street lane were made of dirt and rocks. Does anyone remember that. No, because everyone got 10 runs.:)

lol thats exactly what hangs out at walmart

[TBone7281]

Besides what everyone else has mentioned, most of which I agree with to some extent or another, my complaint is the water box. That is, you can't go around the damn thing unless you have a bike. Not a problem with the stang... really lame when I take the WRX.

[urgonnaluz2me]

ive been going to keystone and prp and i never ever seen 10 runs unless it was a race day and went 8 rounds.never had got 10 runs on a test and tune.how about when they cancel when it rains in california or they heard its gonna rain in the next 10 days.or when they wait till its time to race and the boards or computer dont work and they keep you there and try to sell you the over priced food.they have no idea how the track should be run.they need to go to a track that is run the right way and get some pointers.if it wasnt for us racers they wouldnt need the track so i think they need to re think how they treat the racers.they talk like they dont care if you come or not.

[stangr6man]

Although the track isnt as good, i like how beaver operates on a test and tune. My friend has got upwards of 20 runs there on an all day test and tune.

Maybe they should get some pointers from beaver bob.

[955.0]

I don't know if anyone is in to the flashlight drags It cost the same money. I've got 27 runs there. The track is S**T but it is a good time.

[Viper_ed]

Maybe they should get some pointers from beaver bob.

With a name like Beaver Bob, I think we should all get some pointers from him! :biglaugh:

[coralcoupe1993]

With a name like Beaver Bob, I think we should all get some pointers from him! :biglaugh:

I thought your nick name was cleaver....Viper Ed.....Beaver Bob must be a pimp!!!

[Martin0660]

Besides what everyone else has mentioned, most of which I agree with to some extent or another, my complaint is the water box. That is, you can't go around the damn thing unless you have a bike. Not a problem with the stang... really lame when I take the WRX.

I cant beleive i'm defending something there, but there is a legit reason to prevent driving around the water. Ever notice where they sweep all the loose rubber (and freaking rocks)? If you drive around, you drag that crap on to the line. Lots of tracks are doing this.

Bob Myers

[chugger95]

I cant beleive i'm defending something there, but there is a legit reason to prevent driving around the water. Ever notice where they sweep all the loose rubber (and freaking rocks)? If you drive around, you drag that crap on to the line. Lots of tracks are doing this.

Bob Myers

Yeah, I got yelled at for that by dumbass in the waterbox that thinks he owns the place. Thats exactly what he told me, and since I was on my bike he said t drive around on the inside where there wasn't as much.

[TBone7281]

I cant beleive i'm defending something there, but there is a legit reason to prevent driving around the water. Ever notice where they sweep all the loose rubber (and freaking rocks)? If you drive around, you drag that crap on to the line. Lots of tracks are doing this.

Bob Myers

I understand that, however, other tracks have room for you to drive around and make sure the debris isn't in that area.