Venom rebuild

[venom]

Hey guys-

Here is my simple rebuild thread. I'm taking the car to Volker's at the end of this month for a re-spray.

Other mods will be Team Z front end, and brand-new-in-the-box 1993 OEM cobra wheels, new quarter windows, and outside trim and moldings.

[venom]

3-27-2010 pictures:

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/46963/2586868020103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2586868020103478090lEEKRP)

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/46956/2760749580103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2760749580103478090mykfMO)

http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/44564/2218798910103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2218798910103478090VdEEQg)

[venom]

4-3-2010 pictures:

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/22170/2901555850103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2901555850103478090XArIzd)

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/46303/2380502600103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2380502600103478090KEfZWE)

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/46512/2076603450103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2076603450103478090ahGOTg)

[Ares]

Nothing but red X's.

[venom]

stupid red X's.

[wick]

Nice. You have 3-3-10. Now how about 4-4-10?

[Ares]

I see pics now. Nice looking car you have there. See you welded up the holes on aprons. :awsome:

[billyNOTnice]

nice!

[TooFast98Cobra]

I remember that car, or at least the back of it, time for you to see the back of mine lol, GL on rebuild bro

[venom]

I remember that car, or at least the back of it, time for you to see the back of mine lol, GL on rebuild bro

Haha. Your car is definately serious stuff man. Me no compete with that.

[venom]

4-6-2010

Well the 1st round of hole filling SUCKED. Vital smoothed out the welds only to find 90% of them were junk. After tweaking the welder, Vital started back at it. Having Vital there welding and grinding makes my life easier. :)

I removed the wing, tail lights, rear bumper cover, and misc. interior pieces. 2 weeks 'till paint. Ugh.

[wick]

Two weeks left, you better get crackin son!! Welding the aprons is a bitch. I went that route once only to buy the Scottrodfab panels. made life so much easier.

[vitaleffects626]

Ha its easy for him too all he dose is point out what needs redone and what I have to laser cut at work . He allways tells me hell buy lunch. But I'm still hungry

[wick]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ha its easy for him too all he dose is point out what needs redone and what I have to laser cut at work . He allways tells me hell buy lunch. But I'm still hungry

[venom]

4-12-10 update. 1/4 windows are gone as well as some more interior items. just a few more holes to weld up. Vital better be ready this Saturday!!!

Please note the action shot of Vital's welding skills!!!

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/38143/2884135150103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2884135150103478090pueQwu)

http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/11036/2382387390103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2382387390103478090yIzEjV)

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/46897/2066817590103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2066817590103478090SJeMzX)

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/47313/2571612960103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2571612960103478090QLajFJ)

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/44442/2666938860103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2666938860103478090HHaKRF)

[wick]

So close. Oh so close.:awsome:

[wick]

Throw a shoot-out. Highest number gets a shirt or something. Gotta be FOX, MOD. Seperate.

[Sonic03snake]

Lookin good!!! :awsome:

[venom]

5-1-10

We took the car to Volker's today.

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/12022/2378004910103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2378004910103478090XhZAcm)

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/44612/2558574110103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2558574110103478090Kxoeyh)

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/39035/2607858270103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2607858270103478090itBOmF)

http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/21701/2749535070103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2749535070103478090mrhxKb)

http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/32397/2455749180103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2455749180103478090esTlzC)

[yeahloh95]

wow that looks great ,i cant wiat to see it after jeff gets done with it

[PaxtonShelby]

Wow -that might just be the nicest car I've ever seen sent out for a repaint!! I'm sure you have your reasons though. Can't wait to see the finished product!! :yes:

[TooFast98Cobra]

how was it pushing it on the trailer?

[vitaleffects626]

Haha I'm glad u asked for him it was a breeze all he had to do was pull e brake for me let's just say my back is killing me its ok tho he bought lunch

[TooFast98Cobra]

Haha I'm glad u asked for him it was a breeze all he had to do was pull e brake for me let's just say my back is killing me its ok tho he bought lunch

LOL, I was just asking b/c I have to put mine on the trailer soon with no e-brake, I hope wick gets some rest the night before ha ha

[venom]

Wow -that might just be the nicest car I've ever seen sent out for a repaint!!

Well the pictures can be deceiving...the front bumper was scraped up from me, the rear bumper cover was spidered before I bought it, some doucher sprayed the car before I bought and was too lazy to remove the moldings (clearcoat is chipping), and so on...

I hope Jeff works his magic!!!

[venom]

LOL, I was just asking b/c I have to put mine on the trailer soon with no e-brake, I hope wick gets some rest the night before ha ha

I wasn't too bad. Vital did get it mostly on the trailer, but it took both of us to finish.

[Sonic03snake]

Can't wait to see it done. Ill shoot some pictures of the progress if you want.:goodidea:

[vitaleffects626]

That would be cool

[venom]

Can't wait to see it done. Ill shoot some pictures of the progress if you want.:goodidea:

That would be awesome Lou!!!

[Sonic03snake]

Here are a few pictures of the progress. Sorry for the quality, took them with my cell.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

Nice to see it's coming along!

[vitaleffects626]

Looks like he got a lot done

[venom]

Great pictures!!! Looks like Jeff found a few more dings than I thought the car had!!!

[Sonic03snake]

Great pictures!!! Looks like Jeff found a few more dings than I thought the car had!!!
Not bad for a 17 year old car though!!!!

[wick]

Who is this Jeff guy?

[Sonic03snake]

Who is this Jeff guy?
Jeff Volker, he is the one who painted my Cobra.

[wick]

Jeff Volker, he is the one who painted my Cobra.


Is he by any chance the son of Eddie? or some kind of relative?

[Sonic03snake]

Is he by any chance the son of Eddie? or some kind of relative?I asked him before, no relation.

[wick]

I asked him before, no relation.

Gotcha. The one I am thinking was in New Eagle. I think.

[TooFast98Cobra]

Jeff Volker, he is the one who painted my Cobra.

Volker's autobody?

[vitaleffects626]

Yea in youngwood

[TooFast98Cobra]

I have heard nothing but good things

[venom]

The tubular frontend decision is killing me:

Hand downs the best option is MM, but all in that kit is $1900. That includes c/c plates, k member, coil-overs, a-arms, bushings, 2-pt brace, steering shaft, etc. This kit still pushes the wheelbase out 3/4". I dunno if I like that. I don't wanna possibly cut up my front fender extensions.

My other option is PA Racing tubular, MM steering shaft, MM bushings, MM c/c plates, and keep my a-arms, springs, and shocks. That is $850, and retains the factory wheelbase.

I know its like comparing apples to oranges, and I guess ultimately its my money that has to buy it. :(

Thoughts?

[TooFast98Cobra]

yo man I have all UPR and I have a friend that is a rep for UPR, probably the best price you can get on it he will give you. They drop ship straight from UPR. lmk i'll give you his cell number.

[Sonic03snake]

I don't think I would want to chance the wheel clearance issues with the MM kit, not with new paint. Id go PA or Team Z if it were me.:goodidea:


The tubular frontend decision is killing me:

Hand downs the best option is MM, but all in that kit is $1900. That includes c/c plates, k member, coil-overs, a-arms, bushings, 2-pt brace, steering shaft, etc. This kit still pushes the wheelbase out 3/4". I dunno if I like that. I don't wanna possibly cut up my front fender extensions.

My other option is PA Racing tubular, MM steering shaft, MM bushings, MM c/c plates, and keep my a-arms, springs, and shocks. That is $850, and retains the factory wheelbase.

I know its like comparing apples to oranges, and I guess ultimately its my money that has to buy it. :(

Thoughts?

[95riosnake]

I don't think I would want to chance the wheel clearance issues with the MM kit, not with new paint. Id go PA or Team Z if it were me.:goodidea:

+1, I wouldn't want to mess around with extending the wheel base. Plus that's a lot of extra coin that you can spend elsewhere.

I've seen the Team Z k member in smallville's car up on a lift and it looked to be great quality. If I ever end up going to a tubular K I will probably go with Team Z. The PA racing one is probably good quality as well, I just haven't seen one in person.

[wick]

PA racing is pretty good. After I got all the crap worked out on my Team Z, I am pretty happy with it.

[orange 500]

I went with Anthony Jones after seeing their product at the springbreak shootout a few years ago. Its a nice package.

[venom]

Update time.

Got my car back. Here are a few pictures I snapped tonight during subframe welding.

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/46702/2455153770103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2455153770103478090xGHVBu)

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/45564/2434146680103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2434146680103478090PgsHOH)

http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/47459/2067372120103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2067372120103478090ffwfPb)

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/5164/2151353810103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2151353810103478090voLQIO)

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/43502/2013395680103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2013395680103478090qXhjIy)

http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/27225/2665938500103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2665938500103478090aLZVON)

[TooFast98Cobra]

pretty!

[wick]

That wasnt smart. The car should be loaded with the suspension compressed as it drives down the road. Full weight and level. There is now a chance your will be on a perma-bind and the doors wont close correctly.

[venom]

Hey Rob-

I talked to MM before welding the connectors. The guy out there said people weld connectors in all the time w/o the engines in. I had the car supported on the suspension and leveled during welding. I dunno.

[wick]

Well Tim, you might be ok. I hope you are, that's for sure. I am going to have to stop down and check this thing out here real soon
Hey Rob-

I talked to MM before welding the connectors. The guy out there said people weld connectors in all the time w/o the engines in. I had the car supported on the suspension and leveled during welding. I dunno.

[venom]

I hope so too!!!

You really have me second guessing it though. What about race cars? Do they simulate the weight before adding connectors, cages, etc?

[TooFast98Cobra]

did my connectors while it was on a lift, car sits on three jack stands sometimes, not sure if its twisted from racing or something else. maybe the floor of the garage is off, lol

[venom]

What type of lift did you use? Alignment type (drive on)?

[TooFast98Cobra]

What tpye of lift did you use? Alignment type (drive on)?

it was a two post with arms, Mark down in Bridgeville auto special with the Cornett did them for me over ten years ago lol

[wick]

did my connectors while it was on a lift, car sits on three jack stands sometimes, not sure if its twisted from racing or something else. maybe the floor of the garage is off, lol


HAHA Yeah, the car has a nice twist to it.

[wick]

I hope so too!!!

You really have me second guessing it though. What about race cars? Do they simulate the weight before adding connectors, cages, etc?

I am really not sure about this. I know for cage installation, the car has to be perfectly level. Not sure about simulated weight though. I have never done frame connectors on a "roller" car. All the ones I have done drive in and drive out. I always check the doors with the owner here. I have him open and close them to be sure they are correct. If not, then I shim the stands to get the car to the normal load. That generally gets it perfect. No stuck doors yet. Done a great many sets too.

[venom]

Back from the dead. I'm starting to put the car back together now after a long break. Interior is back in and new stainless brakelines are somewhat in. I just got a few parts back from powdercoating today. UPS also dropped off rear SN95 cobra brakes.

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/44170/2309182750103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2309182750103478090QAUMkF)

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/45115/2058431150103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2058431150103478090rLiTgp)

http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/46227/2433414310103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2433414310103478090oUacFR)

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/39136/2879870490103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2879870490103478090oJaeVc)

http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/46513/2465368410103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2465368410103478090CiRmLv)

[vitaleffects626]

Nice bout tyme u get some stuff done

[TooFast98Cobra]

bout time! looks good! pm the place doing your powder work. I'm lookin for a deal

[biminiLX]

bout time! looks good! pm the place doing your powder work. I'm lookin for a deal
Try Collins PC on here a site sponsor, seen his work, looks good and he did Wolfpacks Cobra.
I have his cell if you need it.
-J

[venom]

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/45403/2152325820103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2152325820103478090BebsxS)

Motor is back in the car. I noticed this afternoon that the driverside header is rubbing my new MM steering shaft. I guess I'm gonna massage the header to miss it. Dumb. Now its time to start 5-lug conversion.

[pwtmxracing]

that thing is lookin good

[Mater]

Nice congrats

[vitaleffects626]

More pics

[venom]

Slight problem tonight. I tried to install the transmission without success. The trans is about 1/2" away from the bellhousing. It will not go any further. We did replace the pilot bearing. I think thats where the problem is, but why?? I looked up the 4 cyl. pilot bearing, and it looks nothing like the 5.0 one. I don't think thats the problem. Ideas?

[bad88t-top]

Venom, I've had this problem before as well. Have your wife or a friend sit int he car and as you work the transmission in have them push the clutch in slowly and the tranny will pop right in. I also had to do this on my 70 Charger R/T eventhough I alligned the clutch with the tool. If you're within a 1/2 inch or inch it will work, try it.

[venom]

Interesting Bill. I'll try that.

[TooFast98Cobra]

vital will get it in 4 ya :)

[biminiLX]

Can use the bell bolts to draw in the tranny. Not a great way to do it, but I have to admit I've done it without a problem in the past.
-J

[venom]

Brainfart this morning. I lost one of the alignment pins on the bellhousing, but we just put it back together like that. I'm wondering if the bell is just a little bit off...

[TooFast98Cobra]

http://www.promotionpowertrain.com/1234361.html

check out the bottom example

[venom]

Thanks guys. I pulled the bell, put a new dowel pin in, and slid the trans in...still no worky.

Had my gf push the clutch in and BOOM....perfect fit.

[bad88t-top]

You're welcome. lol Been there, done that.

[celeste]

Hey Tim, just wanted to chime in and tell you that the car looks good. Did you make any changes to the engine or are you going to run the same setup?

[venom]

Same factory untouched block. I'm waiting 'till this one splits!!!

[vitaleffects626]

Thank god because my fat ass did not want to crawl under that car again

[venom]

Front brakes got here today. I found a brand new set!!

http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/46867/2130895560103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2130895560103478090ueqOQi)

[venom]

Few more pics...

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/48343/2954764410103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2954764410103478090WXLEiq)

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/45019/2726341090103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2726341090103478090uNMkkq)

http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/23559/2524502150103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2524502150103478090xFSmFp)

[bluenotch]

veryyy nice i just changed over to fuel injection how did u hide all the wireing harness

[venom]

Just extended a few wires, then ran them inside the fenders. Next winter I'll put the entire harness inside the car like Vital did. I'm too lazy to do that this year!!!

[bluenotch]

ok thank you and very nice car.

[mr4teth]

wow ... looks great!

[vitaleffects626]

Lookin good

[KeystoneJohnny]

Looks sweet Jared. Any mods on the '11 yet? Hopefully less hassle putting the Cobra together than the time you and Scott tried to get your exhaust put on the BMW.

[TooFast98Cobra]

looks good man!! powder that blower housing too. lets catch up sometime. -Bill

[venom]

Thanks guys. Getting to be crunchtime for Carlisle.


Looks sweet Jared. Any mods on the '11 yet? Hopefully less hassle putting the Cobra together than the time you and Scott tried to get your exhaust put on the BMW.

Nothing too crazy man. Cold air kit and SCT tuner. That BMW exhaust was just stupid. :)



looks good man!! powder that blower housing too. lets catch up sometime. -Bill

I know Bill. I wanted to have it done, but I'm skerd. I gotta come check out your car sometime soon!!

[wick]

Just extended a few wires, then ran them inside the fenders. Next winter I'll put the entire harness inside the car like Vital did. I'm too lazy to do that this year!!!



...and who else?:rolleyes:

[venom]

4/27/11 update. I got my 95 spindles on, new axles, and the brakes all put together.

http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/47374/2945634480103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2945634480103478090KsQfZB)

http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/25570/2386513700103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2386513700103478090EOdAOK)

[KeystoneJohnny]

Looking good Jared

[venom]

Lots of loose ends to get tied up in 10 days!!!

I need to roll the fenders, maybe swap springs, send my new belt tensioner (bearing seized up last night on the one I just got coated) to powdercoating, and finally figure out my power steering leak before I get it outta my garage...then I still need alignment and inspection.

[venom]

5/31/11 update. The car moved outta the garage under its own power, but soon after that there was fire underneath. Ugh. Clutch cable? Speedo cable? I guess I have to crawl under it tonight.

Crappy pics but you can see the new kicks. They are black FR500s, 18x9 and 18x10. Thanks to 50DRO for the guidence during the wheel and brake upgrades.

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/46972/2585393970103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2585393970103478090qdJIrI)

http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/48103/2268763820103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2268763820103478090rujhbW)

[earleymp]

Love it! came a long way :thumbsup:
Exactly what i wanta do with my car, congrats!

[Mark Aubele]

Car looks incredible.

[biminiLX]

x2 looks great
-J

[Terminated]

Looks good with the FR's!

[celeste]

Looking good....ready for carlisle?

[venom]

Thanks guys. Still not ready for Carlisle. :(

[laz2447]

Nice kicks...:thumbsup:

[50Dro]

5/31/11 update. The car moved outta the garage under its own power, but soon after that there was fire underneath. Ugh. Clutch cable? Speedo cable? I guess I have to crawl under it tonight.

Crappy pics but you can see the new kicks. They are black FR500s, 18x9 and 18x10. Thanks to 50DRO for the guidence during the wheel and brake upgrades.

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/46972/2585393970103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2585393970103478090qdJIrI)

http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/48103/2268763820103478090S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2268763820103478090rujhbW)

Am just now seeing this thread. You're very welcome! The car looks awesome!! I hope to see it in person soon! i told you they'd squeeze under there!:goodidea:

[venom]

Back from the dead...

My car never seemed right ever since I put the engine back in. I started to tear into a little deeper, and found that #4 cylinder was getting no spark. Swapped ECMs and the car felt great. That was short-lived. Within ten/fifteen minutes the car began DUMPING fuel out of the tailpipes. Few minutes later the car was knocking terribly. Turns out when I pulled out the ECM I must have scraped some insulation off of #8 injector ground wire. Injector was wide open 100% of the time. Ugh.

After complete engine disassembly, #8 rod is bent, crankshaft is damaged, and all of the bearings are wiped out. Fun fun.

Back to the square one.

[PaxtonShelby]

Oh man...sorry to hear about this. I've always loved '93 Cobras, especially the Teal ones. Gorgeous car you have there.

What's your plan?

[Stroked03Cobra]

Sorry to hear x2, non the less gorgeous car!

[TooFast98Cobra]

Sorry to hear buddy. I got a 331 with your name on it

[Martin0660]

Yikes! Not a good way to find the problem

[50Dro]

Ugh...That sucks man! Good luck with the fix! I hope it's even better for you than before this time!

[KeystoneJohnny]

Jared,

Sorry to hear about the Cobra. Good luck and keep us posted.

[venom]

Thanks guys.

The original plan was to put a low milege 302 back in the car, but I didn't want to spend time and money on a block that I didn't have history on.

Ideal plan would have been to buy Bill's R331 block, but I don't make Bill's money. :)

I ended up taking the block to Street Lethal for a 331 build...using the stock block. My plan is to have a little more torque down low, and back off of maximum boost. I'd like the car to be more "usable" on the street.

My stock block held 538 rwhp for 7 years, so what is a couple more years with a better rotating assembly and safer tune!

[TooFast98Cobra]

Thanks guys.

The original plan was to put a low milege 302 back in the car, but I didn't want to spend time and money on a block that I didn't have history on.

Ideal plan would have been to buy Bill's R331 block, but I don't make Bill's money. :)

I ended up taking the block to Street Lethal for a 331 build...using the stock block. My plan is to have a little more torque down low, and back off of maximum boost. I'd like the car to be more "usable" on the street.

My stock block held 538 rwhp for 7 years, so what is a couple more years with a better rotating assembly and safer tune!

You should have, still can call me. I'll let you make payments dude.

[venom]

Small update. Motor is back from Street Lethal, and installed in the car. I sent a few more parts out to AMF for powdercoating. The car should be running within the next few weeks.

[venom]

Another update. No good news. My gremlins have come back to haunt me. Last September I traced down a grounded injector wire to #8, and fixed it. Damage was already done to #8 rod and cylinder wall.

I started the car up over the weekend only to have the same issue of dumping fuel out of the tailpipe. #8 injector is working fine. Maybe some or all of the wiring has been damaged, or the tune is bad, or the MAF is bad, or whatever.

Before risking any damage to the new motor, I'm heading up to Street Lethal this weekend. I'm sure they can trace down whats going faster than me staring at the car.

[cemnt guy]

that sucks dude. ive been down the bad luck road myself:shoothead:

[KBCobra]

Going out on a limb, I had very similar issue after a motor rebuild and ended up being the 02 sensor's were reversed accidently, left was on the right and so on, so fourth. Worth a shot checking.

[venom]

Going out on a limb, I had very similar issue after a motor rebuild and ended up being the 02 sensor's were reversed accidently, left was on the right and so on, so fourth. Worth a shot checking.

Thanks. I actually did check that before I started the car up. Damn gremlins!

[celeste]

Venom, best of luck to you, let me know if I can help with any parts for process of elimination.