your opinions on engine (stroker) plans....

[stangr6man]

I have been out of mustangs for a few years. I actually havent been to the strip in probably 5 years with my car. I have had the same mustang for 16 years.

Now my 16 year old son has indicated that he has an interest in cars and learning how they work. Well, this gives me an excuse to spend some money.

Here are my plans. This plan includes using some or most of what i already have.

331 or 347 - around 10 to 1 comp
twisted wedge heads - unsure if i am going to get them ported. If i did it would be through foxlake if i cant find someone local.
custom cam - unsure who i would go through for this. undecided
ported track heat intake or change to tfs r
30lb injectors
70mm throttle body
76mm maf
1 3/4 longtubes
x-pipe
flowmasters
t5z
4:10's
3190 lbs with me in the car.

With the above parts on an untouched 160k mile 302 with stage 1 cam it goes 12.7's at 109.

I am not changing heads. either box stock twisted wedge or them ported, no afr's

anyone have any idea of the hp difference between ported and unported heads on this kind of setup? if porting the heads would definitely put me over 400 rwhp, then i will do it.

would i see 350 rwhp with unported heads?

Any major components that you would change, besides the heads?

[yeahloh95]

i would send heads off to tea , for a cnc port job , call ed cutris for a cam and get a holley systemmax intake and you shold reach your goal with either ci you choose

[stangr6man]

Why the holley over tfs-r and tea over foxlake? Not to say they are bad but curious

[gmkillr]

Definitely go with the bigger cubes (347), free h.p.

TFS TW cnc heads from TEA or Foxlake but I really like TEA as they did my cnc 205 heads and did a wonderful job on them.

For a cam I went with Mark @ Bullet Racing Cams and was very happy with the service, communication, price, time-frame,etc......

A lightly cleaned up TFS R intake would be more than enough intake for your goals.

FordStrokers can build you a sweet ass 347 that will exceed your every expectation.

My FordStroker 369 (big bore 347) with TEA cnc 205 heads, bullet cam, Edelbrock Super vic intake, fuel injected made 475 rwhp & 402 rwtq on a brand new zero mile engine just to give you an idea where you could be.

[stangr6man]

Gmkilr,

Thanks for the input. I am going to buy a rotating assembly. Using a block that I already have. Local machine shop is putting it together for me. Used them before and they did a good job.

Trying to keep my cap at $5k. With the current plan I am about $25 over right now.

[ModularMike]

My vote is 408 stroker with an LQ4 block, but thats just me :hyper:

[Mater]

My vote is 408 stroker with an LQ4 block, but thats just me :hyper:

and me!:biglaugh:

[92306gt]

My vote is 408 stroker with an LQ4 block, but thats just me :hyper:
Gay:thumbsdown:

[92306gt]

and me!:biglaugh:
Gayer:asshole2:

[Killercanary]

I don't see why you wouldn't see 350rwhp with that setup, a decent cam, and holley intake. I made 380rwhp/380rwtq with AFR 165's on my 9:1 compression 331ci with a small cam that was designed for my old 302 stock shortblock setup. I swapped the heads out for a set of AFR 185 competition heads, probe shaft mount rockers, 1-3/4 long tubes and a 3" into 2.5" X pipe and it now makes 415rwhp/410rwtq. I, like Troy, recommend a holley intake as I believe it to be the best long runner EFI intake for the SBF. My dad runs it as well on his '91GT with a NA 302, and it makes 347rwhp and has gone 11.6 at 118mph. I too recommend FTI for the cam. Ed from FTI has done cams for me, my dad, and my cousin all to much success. My old 302 combo that Ed designed my cam for ran 12.0 at 112.5mph in my heavy '95 GT convertible, I still run that same cam in my 331. Ed's customer service once you are a customer is second to none, although he is a bit hard to reach when you first start to deal with him.

[yeahloh95]

i too have heard good things about bullet cams , just check to make sure they tell you the right lash

[Mark Aubele]

I wouldn't use the factory block, doesn't make much sense to dump all that money into a rotating assembly to put it into a block that is known to crack. Before everyone chimes in saying they made a ton of power on the FACTORY SHORTBLOCK, I totally agree. My last combo made 347 at the wheels NA in 90 degree heat, and I put 16 lbs. to one as well. I have no problem taking junk and making it fast for cheap, I just don't believe in putting cubic dollars into the factory block when it is known to be weak.

[TooFast98Cobra]

I wouldn't use the factory block, doesn't make much sense to dump all that money into a rotating assembly to put it into a block that is known to crack. Before everyone chimes in saying they made a ton of power on the FACTORY SHORTBLOCK, I totally agree. My last combo made 347 at the wheels NA in 90 degree heat, and I put 16 lbs. to one as well. I have no problem taking junk and making it fast for cheap, I just don't believe in putting cubic dollars into the factory block when it is known to be weak.

x2....

[Balaska347]

Definitely the Holley intake it is second to none up to 6500 rpm.

Twisted wedge heads will make good power unported and I would save the money rather then porting unless you are worried about every last HP. You can easily make 350rwhp unported. It also depends on the cam and rpm range you plan on spinning the motor to. Yes a head ported by fox lake or TEA will always flow better then an unported one but if your cam isn't moving more air then the cast TW head can flow there is no real gain. Mine are done by Fox Lake and the work is excellent and Ron was nice to deal with.

For a cam... all the above listed are great. I like Anderson ford motorsport cams because I have ran three of their cam so far and loved every one of them for my setup. Rick Anderson is also easy to talk to and will answer any question not just with the cam.

I would run 1 5/8 long tubes. MAC headers are cheap but are one of the best performers HP wise.

No smaller then a 75mm TB preferbly accufab

A stock block will be fine if it is built right (as in a balanced rotator and a MSS and good machine work), tuned right, and keep the RPMs no higher then 6200. I wouldnt go buy the most expensive rotator either. Forged pistons and rods with a good cast steel crank will be more then enough. If you are gonna run a power adder, high rpms then ignore the above haha. My car is NA and I have over 800 pass on the stock block with about 20,000 street miles. I just took it apart to freshen it up and everything looks great. The main caps have no signs of cap walk at all. Yes it always a possibility it will break but that also goes for every other part in the car.

[stangr6man]

Thanks for the input guys. I must have been out of the scene for longer than i thought. I have no idea what a "bullet" cam is. Anyone help me out here?

[gmkillr]

Thanks for the input guys. I must have been out of the scene for longer than i thought. I have no idea what a "bullet" cam is. Anyone help me out here?

Bullet is the name of a custom cam company that has been around for awhile.
They do ALOT of cams for some big time engine builders & racers. Do a google search on them.

Ive used Mark @ Bullet along with many others & have been extremely happy!

[bgblockelcamino]

My vote is 408 stroker with an LQ4 block, but thats just me :hyper:
or lq4 with cam 400+hp

[ModularMike]

or lq4 with cam 400+hp
And a small whiff of nitrous to go deep tens! :pinkthumb: It's almost too damn easy with these cars.

[Mater]

True~

[94Cobra]

I suggest building a 347 over the 331 - no need to give up the cubes nowadays. I have had great luck with dealing with Rick Anderson and using his cams. Good luck.

[349Stroker]

I am curious as to why everyone likes the Holley intake ? I'd really like to understand this as I've never used one and don't see a reason too but I'm curious

[yeahloh95]

they just work , they make great torque and pull up top too just a great intake

[biminiLX]

Go with the 347, have the heads cleaned up it they're off and definitely change the intake. I like the Holley idea (although the lower should be ported and even welded on #1 for max power) or the TFS R. You could also go with a gigger TB/meter and 4" Anderson powerpipe. Stock block NA at the this level is fine probably shift 6500-7000 range, should make 450hp range depending on cam and RPM, keep a 26-27" tire or you'll want more gear.
Good luck, should be fun.
-J