Bone stock...

[Wolfpack Speed]

2012 5.0...

[AutomagicSN98]

I think I saw that. I'm down at the car wash now.

[yeahloh95]

what gears does it have ?

[SteelTownStang]

Impressive!

[thedak]

I would assume 3.73s, but I'm probably worng.

I have never seen a Brembo car without 3.73s.

[wicked400ex]

what gears does it have ?

3.73's

[JOlbert]

I would assume 3.73s, but I'm probably worng.

I have never seen a Brembo car without 3.73s.


just drove one a week ago that had Brembo's & no 3.73s

[JOlbert]

i'm seriously thinking about selling my car & buying one of these. after driving one, i was definitely impressed.

[yeahloh95]

thanks for info great numbers for stock

[Martin0660]

just drove one a week ago that had Brembo's & no 3.73s

I know of another too, Brembo's and no 3.73's

[Mark Aubele]

I know a guy in Texas who had to special order a car to get 3.31s with the Brembos. They are pretty rare.

[somethingclever]

Did you log a/f throughout the pull?

[jaa55]

are you going to tune it???

[lib88stang]

Nice numbers John

[PaxtonShelby]

Wow - really nice #s for sure!

[Seer]

really nice numbers, need to get my 5.0 on a dyno some day.

[wicked400ex]

Did you log a/f throughout the pull?

No, that requires drilling/welding a bung before the cats. After it has an O/R H pipe, CAI, axlebacks and a tune I will.

[wicked400ex]

are you going to tune it???

Yes, once I put on an O/R H pipe, CAI & axlebacks.

[lib88stang]

Its got almost a 100 more hp than your old car, your going to need some sticky tires...lol

[wicked400ex]

I would assume 3.73s, but I'm probably worng.

I have never seen a Brembo car without 3.73s.

Brembo brake pkg. and rear gears were two separate options. 3.31 are standard w/ 3.55 & 3.73 being options.

[WSFrazier]

Good numbers, you put down more than 2 modified and tuned 5.0's did on Mike's dyno.

[wicked400ex]

Good numbers, you put down more than 2 modified and tuned 5.0's did on Mike's dyno.

Mine were done in 5th gear which is the 1:1 gear on these cars unlike the older 6 speeds that 1:1 was 4th gear. Mike mentioned about contacting the 2 previous customers that were done in 4th about re-testing in the correct 5th gear.

[SonofaBish]

wow, great numbers! love the wheels btw! :D I've never been much for any wheel choice other than chrome on a black car, but i've been considering a gunmetal more and more for my next set...

[Wolfpack Speed]

No, that requires drilling/welding a bung before the cats. After it has an O/R H pipe, CAI, axlebacks and a tune I will.

You don't need an auxiliary bung and sensor to sample a/f on an 11+ Mustang, you can data log it. When sampling via an auxiliary bung/sensor, pre cat is most definitely preferred but it's not the end of the world if you sample from the cat or after. Whats most important is that you check your a/f sensor before every use and say no to tail pipe sniffers!

[Wolfpack Speed]

Mine were done in 5th gear which is the 1:1 gear on these cars unlike the older 6 speeds that 1:1 was 4th gear. Mike mentioned about contacting the 2 previous customers that were done in 4th about re-testing in the correct 5th gear.

The difference between the two is minimal but try telling that to a dyno queen! I'm guessing the previous manual 5.0's were done in 4th but I cant remember and need to look at all 5.0 run files to figure out. We dyno a lot of cars and have had to dyno several in 5th gear, I tend to look up anything that isn't a mustang but was not aware that the new 6-speeds were 1:1 5th, good to know!

[Seer]

The difference between the two is minimal but try telling that to a dyno queen! I'm guessing the previous manual 5.0's were done in 4th but I cant remember and need to look at all 5.0 run files to figure out. We dyno a lot of cars and have had to dyno several in 5th gear, I tend to look up anything that isn't a mustang but was not aware that the new 6-speeds were 1:1 5th, good to know!


I'd love to strap my car on your dyno, see how it does. Although, if you figured out who I am (not difficult) you'd prob dyno me in second gear for shits and giggles lol.

[Wolfpack Speed]

I'd love to strap my car on your dyno, see how it does. Although, if you figured out who I am (not difficult) you'd prob dyno me in second gear for shits and giggles lol.I will dyno it in 5th but I'm not going to strap the car down:sticktonge:

[Seer]

I will dyno it in 5th but I'm not going to strap the car down:sticktonge:


hmm... but aren't you the one who runs all of the cars on the dyno? I wouldn't want to see you hurt yourself Mike. :D

If that stock 6spd manual 2012 is making 386 on your dyno, then wow, if I don't have a lemon, I should be well over 400 then, car has trapped high 116's.

[Wolfpack Speed]

hmm... but aren't you the one who runs all of the cars on the dyno? I wouldn't want to see you hurt yourself Mike. :D

If that stock 6spd manual 2012 is making 386 on your dyno, then wow, if I don't have a lemon, I should be well over 400 then, car has trapped high 116's.

No, but air bags and a seat belt is all I need!

[Seer]

Note to self. Hide from wolfpacks dyno

[wicked400ex]

You don't need an auxiliary bung and sensor to sample a/f on an 11+ Mustang, you can data log it. When sampling via an auxiliary bung/sensor, pre cat is most definitely preferred but it's not the end of the world if you sample from the cat or after. Whats most important is that you check your a/f sensor before every use and say no to tail pipe sniffers!

Cool! lil different from my '08, I remember you welded a bung in that one when you did the 4.10's. Don't know why I wanted it cause it got replaced by an offroad H pipe shortly after! lol

[jaa55]

This is a stupid question maybe but what do you do with an automatic car if youre aiming for 1:1 through the tranny?

These are awesome numbers I'm going to make a solid commitment to get my car on a dyno. Jon Lund has done some great numbers from what I've seen and I would like to be one of those cars.

[Seer]

This is a stupid question maybe but what do you do with an automatic car if youre aiming for 1:1 through the tranny?

These are awesome numbers I'm going to make a solid commitment to get my car on a dyno. Jon Lund has done some great numbers from what I've seen and I would like to be one of those cars.


Lund tuned my car, love it so far. Just need a small adjustment, but other than that its been great.

[jaa55]

cammed tune would be great also

[Seer]

cammed tune would be great also

Thats what mine is :D

[yeahloh95]

he is not doing the cammed tunes anymore

[Seer]

he is not doing the cammed tunes anymore


a little birdy told me, if you goto lethal performances website, you can still order the cammed tune.

http://www.lethalperformance.com/2011-mustang-gt-5-0l-custom-tunes-c-8486_10571/lethal-performance-2011-5-0l-mustang-gt-custom-tune-by-jon-lund-p-35350

I'd assume any shop that tunes through Lund still can to. Although he seems to be super busy. Been waiting like a week for him to verify if COT was turned off or not in my tune, lol. I guess thats what happens when youre the best.

[somethingclever]

he is not doing the cammed tunes anymore


why not?

[Mark Aubele]

why not?

He realized how ricey they were, and saved himself before he became known for being a purveyor of riceyness.

[Seer]

why not?


Lund supposedly had a friend at Ford Racing, who asked him nicely to stop, since it was infringing on the BOSS Track Key profile.

Although according to Lund, he actually had access to the hex behind the SCT Data Layers, which is how he had gotten access to the feature/values vs. any other tuner out there.

So in short and less techy, he enabled the feature a different/innovative way that Ford did, but in the end got the same result.

Rumors are saying Ford is going to release a Track Key for the GT, although not sure how since the BOSS and GT use a different PCM. From my understanding the BOSS's PCM supports the dual performance modes where the GT does not. So should be interesting to see.

[Seer]

He realized how ricey they were, and saved himself before he became known for being a purveyor of riceyness.


Whats funny is, the stock 5.0 GT cam's profile is more aggressive in it's non electronically controlled state than say the FRPP Hot Rod cams for the 3v.

So, who cares if they lope?

I guess an old pushrod 5.0 with a little comp cam is ricey too, since it would most likely run low 13s/high 12s but lope too.

[Mark Aubele]

I guess an old pushrod 5.0 with a little comp cam is ricey too, since it would most likely run low 13s/high 12s but lope too.

No, because if you put a cam into a pushrod motor, you actually installed a cam. Getting a "ghost cam tune" means you went to a tuner, and told him you want your car to SOUND LIKE IT HAS CAMS. Big difference.

And LMAO at high 12s low 13s with a cam in a 5.0. My 86 GT went 12.70s back in '01 all day with the stock cam, GT40ps and Explorer intake. If you run low 13s with a cam in a 5.0 you are doing something wrong.

Getting a ghost cam tune in a new 5.0 is kind of like those fake blow-off valves I used to see in the back of Sport Compact Car, or those air intakes that look like intercoolers.

[Seer]

No, because if you put a cam into a pushrod motor, you actually installed a cam. Getting a "ghost cam tune" means you went to a tuner, and told him you want your car to SOUND LIKE IT HAS CAMS. Big difference.

And LMAO at high 12s low 13s with a cam in a 5.0. My 86 GT went 12.70s back in '01 all day with the stock cam, GT40ps and Explorer intake. If you run low 13s with a cam in a 5.0 you are doing something wrong.

Getting a ghost cam tune in a new 5.0 is kind of like those fake blow-off valves I used to see in the back of Sport Compact Car, or those air intakes that look like intercoolers.


You're entitled to your opinion, just because with technology overlap is able to be programmed doesn't make it ricey. The vehicle has to be mechnically capable of creating overlap in order to "sound cammed". My car has cams, four of them to be precise. My stock cams most likely have a more aggressive profiling than most of the previous modular aftermarket camshafts did.

Theres no difference between electronically enabling it, or installing a cam with that particular profile. The new 5.0s use a Twin Indenpendant Variable Cam Timing system, which enable such capabilities.

You do realize the new 5.0s are pretty much knocking on the 11 second door or even diving into the 11's with just tires and a tune right? Who cares if it sounds cammed, most of the cars are putting down numbers to match their sound. Theres plenty of nasty sounding pushrod 5.0s that can barely squeek their way out of the 13s as well. Not saying OHV 5.0s are slow, far from it, used to own one many years ago myself. Just debating your logic on this one.

Edit: You are aware the "ghost cam" sound is just a feature attached to the actual performance tune right? Granted the overlap profile only lasts till about 1400 rpm, and adds zero to performance. I appreciate your opinion, but I think you need to do a little more research on Ti-VCT.

[Mark Aubele]

Edit: You are aware the "ghost cam" sound is just a feature attached to the actual performance tune right? Granted the overlap profile only lasts till about 1400 rpm, and adds zero to performance. I appreciate your opinion, but I think you need to do a little more research on Ti-VCT.

Look, I am truly sorry your feelings got hurt by me stating my opinion that actually paying someone to make your car sound cool is ricey and stupid. I do not need to do any more research on Ti-VCT, I am fully aware how the "ghost tune" works. I get it dude. Really.

[Seer]

Look, I am truly sorry your feelings got hurt by me stating my opinion that actually paying someone to make your car sound cool is ricey and stupid. I do not need to do any more research on Ti-VCT, I am fully aware how the "ghost tune" works. I get it dude. Really.


You didn't hurt my feelings at all. What you're not getting is, nobody is really paying for just the ghost cam tune. It is a feature attached to their actual performance tune.

[thedak]

And LMAO at high 12s low 13s with a cam in a 5.0. My 86 GT went 12.70s back in '01 all day with the stock cam, GT40ps and Explorer intake. If you run low 13s with a cam in a 5.0 you are doing something wrong.


It's also still an 86 Mustang.

A lightweight, easy to mod shitbox.

What it trap ? 105 at most. WOW

[Mark Aubele]

No, you don't get it. I never said that's all they get. Believe me, I understand completely. Like I have said three times now.

[Mark Aubele]

It's also still an 86 Mustang.

A lightweight, easy to mod shitbox.

What it trap ? 105 at most. WOW

Yeah, it trapped at 105, in 2001. Anything else useless to add to the thread? So I guess everyone who doesn't have two brand new cars drive shitboxes?

[thedak]

Rumors are saying Ford is going to release a Track Key for the GT, although not sure how since the BOSS and GT use a different PCM. From my understanding the BOSS's PCM supports the dual performance modes where the GT does not. So should be interesting to see.

I also was told this by a friend that works in the Auto Industry..

Only going to work with Premium GTs with the MyKey feature.

[thedak]

So I guess everyone who doesn't have two brand new cars drive shitboxes?

No not everyone.

Just 79-95 Mustangs.

[Mark Aubele]

No not everyone.

Just 79-95 Mustangs.

Got to admit that was pretty funny.

[Seer]

Who is to say Ford didn't retune the GT PCM to hide it's "actual" mechanical idle, or to meet EPA regulations.

Damn Ford, trying to make a factory sleeper idle tune.

[mustang50lx]

I have to say if I put $30,000 (The rough cost of a new 5.0) into my Fox it would trap about 150. I like the new 5.0's ,but comparing them to pushrod V-8's is like comparing apples and oranges.

[jaa55]

I dont know I think its cool, after all the trac key is going to do it straight from ford.
I mean you could go with super aggressive cams in the 5.0 and tune it to have no lope, is that ricey? No. its much different than sticking something something in your car to make sound like you have a BOV. if the 5.0 has aggressive cams, now lets hear them.

[blackgt87]

I thought all GT's had mykey not just premiums?

[Seer]

I thought all GT's had mykey not just premiums?


Fairly certain only Premiums

[blackgt87]

Fairly certain only Premiums

Actually its standard on all mustangs now.

[Seer]

Actually its standard on all mustangs now.


oh good... well I have a premium :D

[blackgt87]

Cool story brah

[torqueboxer]

Lol so funny....


" shitboxes". Last time i read the top of the screen it said www.steelcitySTANGS.com

If anybody needs me ill be discussing all the features available on this years GTO over at ls1tech.........oh, they dont IMPORT those shitboxes anymore..............

Btw the " ghost tunes" were designed for more hp, the fake cam sound was just for posing...changing the lsa at idle to pretend that SKILLED modifications were done to the car, as M Aubele stated "is ricer". Swapping cams in a 4 cam car is a huge and involved project, the annoying part is that people will be driving around with " fake cam tune" pretending to have done real skilled mods to their car, and beating their chests about how mean they MADE their cars. That "mod" is right up there with new floor mats or better yet a headlight bulb install.

[jaa55]

I've built my own mod fox headlight to taillight. Including the mod motor and wiring. Built a 5.0 for it before that. Supercharged my 11. So because I want to run this tune I means I don't know shit and im incapable of doing my own work? Great point. Not mention my parents have owned a very successful garage for 24 years. Just go put your head in hole and hide if you don't like what new technology can do. Good thing im the one making the payments on this car so I can keep doing what I want to regardless of anyones opinion:thmbsup:

[torqueboxer]

according to ls3 gto your mod swapped fox was a "shitbox". I have two foxes i like them both. I had nothing negative to say other than me agreeing w/ m aubele about simulated camshafts for sound. The real issue in this post is someone in a mustang specific forum bashing mustangs...good luck with your car.

[jaa55]

I think he was just being a smart ass, he has a mustang too and im pretty sure he likes it. I can tell you I loved my fox. Id still have it if cash wasnt an option.
Theres just no point in flamming someone for their opinion on what they are going to do with their car. Lots of people on here do mods I think are tasteless but its their car and at the end of the day if makes them happy thats great. Afterall its just my opinion and it might be a bad one.

anyways back on topic, this car made some great numbers stock. Called mike today hopefully he can squeeze my car in the near future......cant wait to see what it will do!! The coyote was a big step in right direction!!

[Wolfpack Speed]

This is a stupid question maybe but what do you do with an automatic car if youre aiming for 1:1 through the tranny?

These are awesome numbers I'm going to make a solid commitment to get my car on a dyno. Jon Lund has done some great numbers from what I've seen and I would like to be one of those cars.

Depends on the tranny but we use the tuning software, when possible, to lock the car in the appropriate gear so it makes a pull from start to finish in the same gear. You don't want the car to shift while sampling...

[jaa55]

Depends on the tranny but we use the tuning software, when possible, to lock the car in the appropriate gear so it makes a pull from start to finish in the same gear. You don't want the car to shift while sampling...


I always wondered about that, thanks for the clarification :thmbsup:

[Wolfpack Speed]

Lund supposedly had a friend at Ford Racing, who asked him nicely to stop, since it was infringing on the BOSS Track Key profile.

Although according to Lund, he actually had access to the hex behind the SCT Data Layers, which is how he had gotten access to the feature/values vs. any other tuner out there.

So in short and less techy, he enabled the feature a different/innovative way that Ford did, but in the end got the same result.

Rumors are saying Ford is going to release a Track Key for the GT, although not sure how since the BOSS and GT use a different PCM. From my understanding the BOSS's PCM supports the dual performance modes where the GT does not. So should be interesting to see.

Some things never change...

[thedak]

TorqueBoxer

I meant 1972-1995

I stand corrected.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/innoutrofl2.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[03 OW SVT]

Lol so funny....


" shitboxes". Last time i read the top of the screen it said www.steelcitySTANGS.com

If anybody needs me ill be discussing all the features available on this years GTO over at ls1tech.........oh, they dont IMPORT those shitboxes anymore..............

Btw the " ghost tunes" were designed for more hp, the fake cam sound was just for posing...changing the lsa at idle to pretend that SKILLED modifications were done to the car, as M Aubele stated "is ricer". Swapping cams in a 4 cam car is a huge and involved project, the annoying part is that people will be driving around with " fake cam tune" pretending to have done real skilled mods to their car, and beating their chests about how mean they MADE their cars.
That "mod" is right up there with new floor mats or better yet a headlight bulb
install.

Just so you know I don't go around "beating my chest". I actually tell people it is all in the tune and for the most part they are impressed by the technology to be able to do that.

You are intilted to your opinion and I respect that.

[thedak]

Kevin is correct.

He beats other things besides his chest.

[yeahloh95]

i think kevins car sounds awesome and it almost keeps up with my truck lol

[Seer]

Some things never change...

????

[03 OW SVT]

Kevin is correct.

He beats other things besides his chest.

Ha ha! Whatever it is I'm beating, I learned from the best!.... You!

Thanks Troy, your truck sounds damn good also, and runs good too!:thmbsup:

[Seer]

Ha ha! Whatever it is I'm beating, I learned from the best!.... You!

Thanks Troy, your truck sounds damn good also, and runs good too!:thmbsup:


I saw that pre edit lol :D

[Mater]

Did u trade ur GTO or the Z06 in to get ur stang 5.0?

[SK360]

I can vouch for Blue's 5.0... it does actually exist.

[Seer]

Did u trade ur GTO or the Z06 in to get ur stang 5.0?


My G8 GT.. needed to get rid of that garbage motor, we actually had the first one lemoned ;)

I'm down to two cars, the 5.0 and the Infiniti G37S

[ModularMike]

I can vouch for Blue's 5.0... it does actually exist.
It exists for sure, its just gay.

[PaxtonShelby]

...still laughing at that damn avatar....

[ModularMike]

...still laughing at that damn avatar....
:rotflol:

[thedak]

:fart:

[wicked400ex]

Went down to Wolfpack yesterday for this years dyno update of crap I put on over the winter. Here's the link.. http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?28141-This-years-Dyno-update-of-my-12-5-0&p=335136#post335136