Enough with the ricer "stage #" talk

[White5.0]

Why do people feel the need to, when listing modifications to their car, mention what "stage" the mod is?

For example, I was looking at an ad on craigslist for an STI that the owner states that the ECU is "flashed to a stage 2"...WTF ON EARTH DOES THAT MEAN?!?
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/2507260871.html

I see this ricer talk all the time and its so annoying. What are your "Stage 2 Cams"? or your "Stage 3 clutch"?? Damn ricers!!!!!

How about explaining the lift, duration, LSA, etc. of cams? Or maybe the torque capacity of clutches? Or what parameters are changed in the tune? To the people that do this, stop watching the fast and the furious so much and actually learn something about cars:nono:


Also, I understand some manufacturers actually name their products like that. e.g. comp cams stage II, etc. I am referring to the people that just say that their car "has stage 2 cams" without listing a part# or manufacturer

[White5.0]

man, craigslist has been pissing me off lately I better stay off for a while

http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23881

:rofl:

[somethingclever]

If you look at ricer cars then you get ricer mods.

[NateSVT]

I have ricer stage 3 cams.

[White5.0]

If you look at ricer cars then you get ricer mods.


I dont personally believe an STI is a ricer, but that depends on your definition of a "ricer". It is a well performing car. To me a ricer, is a joke of a car that douchebags think are fast. for example: http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/Cavi_90/9496049+w450+h338+cr0+re1+ar1/2003-chevrolet-cavalier-kicker.jpg

this cavalier is a ricer to me, even though its not a jap car


Anyways that's besides the point....I see mustang guys doing this all the time too

[PaxtonShelby]

Yeah - that stuff irritates me too, as it does when people say their car has an "RV cam"....or a "3/4 race cam"...

[jaa55]

I dont mind WRXs and STIs but every one that i know that owns one thinks its the pinnacle of automotive performance. No matter what you have it cant be faster than a STI!!

Stage 3 dominates all!

They would make a bad ass DD, quick and goes good in the snow

[White5.0]

I dont mind WRXs and STIs but every one that i know that owns one thinks its the pinnacle of automotive performance. No matter what you have it cant be faster than a STI!!


true that!



Stage 3 dominates all!

They would make a bad ass DD, quick and goes good in the snow

I know I'd love one for a DD, they are tanks in the snow. I would beat the piss out of it and not be so worried about getting it dirty like I am with my stang because they are kinda made for that having rally car roots

My stang on the other hand...geez...that thing sucks in just the rain

[Troll]

yeah at least it's usually only in the 1, 2 and 3 versions. when you see peeps talking stage 4,5,6 etc... you know you're dealing with some serious chit! :pepper:

Comp Cams listed the cams for my car as Stage I, but I always used the part #XE262AH when I advertised it for sale. :rolleyes:

[White5.0]

yeah at least it's usually only in the 1, 2 and 3 versions. when you see peeps talking stage 4,5,6 etc... you know you're dealing with some serious chit! :pepper:

hahahah I haven't seen anything over stage 3 listed but if I did I sure would be cracking up


Im gonna start telling people I have that stuff on my car. Stage 7 b303 cam with stage 19 gt40 heads!!!

[NateSVT]

Just curious if the Underground Racing Lambos are ricers too since they use stage 1-3?

[White5.0]

Just curious if the Underground Racing Lambos are ricers too since they use stage 1-3?


Just curious if you spent the time between your first post in this thread and this post looking for something to make a smartass comment about since it's been 30 minutes??


No, those lambos aren't ricers. They have different stage cars with different power levels. They aren't listing stage X parts on the cars

[Troll]

you see the stages a lot in the Harley world, too.

check this guy out. he's either being totally honest or he's completely nuts.

Stage .5

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/2484272536.html

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Slow01GT]

What about all the ricer 03-04 Cobra owners with stage # ported eatons?

[PaxtonShelby]

oh man...here we go...:rolleyes: :D

[Slow01GT]

just trying to see where to draw a line on stage mods. To me an STI owner saying he has a stage 2 ecm tune and a cobra owner saying he has a stage 3 ported eaton is the same thing. Both owner groups will know what it means

[NateSVT]

What about all the ricer 03-04 Cobra owners with stage # ported eatons?


Damnit! I'm a serious ricer, I forgot about my stage 3 port. Stage 3 cams and stage 3 port, please don't make fun of me.:rolleyes:

[White5.0]

What about all the ricer 03-04 Cobra owners with stage # ported eatons?


Do me a favor and re-read my original post please. I said I understand that certain manufacturers name their products that way. for instance stage 2 comp cams.

I hate when people say they have "stage 3 cams" <--notice how I did NOT list a manufacturer.


various stages of vehicles and stages of work performed are different. like a "stage whatever ported eaton" or a "stage whatever valve job"

I think its dumb when people say "I have a stage 2 ported eaton" instead of saying "I have a stage 2 stiegemeier ported eaton"


Tell me a little about the part/work done. just giving a stage doesnt explain shit

[White5.0]

To me an STI owner saying he has a stage 2 ecm tune and a cobra owner saying he has a stage 3 ported eaton is the same thing. Both owner groups will know what it means


really? I don't think everyone knows what that means. So you are telling me the guy's STI in the craigslist ad that I posted, other STI owners know what he means by saying he has a stage 2 ECU?

If you know, please explain to me...I'm curious as to what parameters are changed in the tune?

[Troll]

I'm curious as to what parameters are changed in the tune?

I would say that stage 2 has a little more balls than the stage 1, but just not quite as much as stage 3.

hope this helps. :biglaugh:

[White5.0]

I would say that stage 2 has a little more balls than the stage 1, but just not quite as much as stage 3.

hope this helps. :biglaugh:


hahaha thanks for clearing that up for me! That should make any decision on vehicle purchasing from now on a lot easier now that I understand the stages!

[frankstang]

Lifes a stage.

[Slow01GT]

really? I don't think everyone knows what that means. So you are telling me the guy's STI in the craigslist ad that I posted, other STI owners know what he means by saying he has a stage 2 ECU?

If you know, please explain to me...I'm curious as to what parameters are changed in the tune?

Yes, that is what I'm telling you. Most companies such as Cobb provide stage tunes in their handheld tuners that coincide with the modifications on the vehicle. A stage 2 would be for mods like a turbo-back exhaust and intake upgrades. The more mods, the higher the tune stage that's needed to support them.

[White5.0]

Yes, that is what I'm telling you. Most companies such as Cobb provide stage tunes in their handheld tuners that coincide with the modifications on the vehicle. A stage 2 would be for mods like a turbo-back exhaust and intake upgrades. The more mods, the higher the tune stage that's needed to support them.


Yeah but I guess my point is, people that "understand" what he means by stage 2 just know that it "just works" for that amount of mods, but they dont know exactly what it does.

I prefer knowing the details of things like that, but thats just me. I understand not everyone needs to know all the little details

[White5.0]

Lifes a stage.

Indeed.

:rofl:

[PaxtonShelby]

I would say that stage 2 has a little more balls than the stage 1, but just not quite as much as stage 3.

hope this helps. :biglaugh:

:rofl:

[Slow01GT]

I think saying stage 2 ecu is automotive shorthand for I have such and such mods but don't feel like listing them all

[map22]

i have the stage 3 sticker mods

[phillysrt4]

Stage 3 dominates all!


especially in a neon ;)

On a more serious note, there is some degree of validity in using the "stage X" descriptor. Like slow01gt said, its a shorthand for a mod or list of mods. The problem is that unless you are into "the scene" for that car just seeing "stage X" is meaningless.

[cwh19]

I think saying stage 2 ecu is automotive shorthand for I have such and such mods but don't feel like listing them all

This.

A good friend of mine has a wrx that he had tuned at mach V, a dsm/subaru/bmw shop in virginia. Whenever they asked him what he had doneto the car before the pro tune he said a stage 2 cobb tune and they knew exactly what that meant. They put it on the dyno as it came in and it made 221whp and they said it would make 220.

I know what you mean though, sometimes the stage terms get thrown around like nothing and it makes the owner sound like an idiot. But they are definitely meaningful when the person isn't acting like a tool lol.

[Cam99]

I have a stage 17 headache

[97LaserRed]

just trying to see where to draw a line on stage mods. To me an STI owner saying he has a stage 2 ecm tune and a cobra owner saying he has a stage 3 ported eaton is the same thing. Both owner groups will know what it means

Yes same thing


I would say that stage 2 has a little more balls than the stage 1, but just not quite as much as stage 3.

hope this helps. :biglaugh: truth!


He is correct. vw is the same thing. Just gotta ask around about mods. More mods= different tune = higher stage

Yes, that is what I'm telling you. Most companies such as Cobb provide stage tunes in their handheld tuners that coincide with the modifications on the vehicle. A stage 2 would be for mods like a turbo-back exhaust and intake upgrades. The more mods, the higher the tune stage that's needed to support them.

[AutomagicSN98]

If thats a wrx sti it has a downgraded body kit.

[SlowSix]

This.

A good friend of mine has a wrx that he had tuned at mach V, a dsm/subaru/bmw shop in virginia. Whenever they asked him what he had doneto the car before the pro tune he said a stage 2 cobb tune and they knew exactly what that meant. They put it on the dyno as it came in and it made 221whp and they said it would make 220.

I know what you mean though, sometimes the stage terms get thrown around like nothing and it makes the owner sound like an idiot. But they are definitely meaningful when the person isn't acting like a tool lol.

+1. Stages correspond to certain mods.
Stage 2 on a WRX is full turbo back exhaust (including downpipe and such) and a handheld programmer flash tune.
APR Stage 2 on a 1.8T jetta is a flash tune, a front mount intercooler, turbo back exhaust, and different diverter valve.

[oldfox]

I was flashed at what must have been a stage 2-- she got a free beer from me

[Martin0660]

For example, I was looking at an ad on craigslist for an STI that the owner states that the ECU is "flashed to a stage 2"...WTF ON EARTH DOES THAT MEAN?!?

I dunno, was pretty easy for me to see what he was talking about and i'm not into that scene ...

The ad says " It has an Invidia bellmouth down pipe and a Cobb Accessport V2 which comes with the car and is not for sale seperately.
It is flashed to a stage 2 and runs amazingly well. "

I copied Cobb Accessport V2, and pasted it into google and come up with this ...

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3264

Clicking the requirements link for Stage 2 shows more detail on what is required, and what it gets you ...

The only thing that might be confusing is the wat he typed it ...

[Martin0660]

I am referring to the people that just say that their car "has stage 2 cams" without listing a part# or manufacturer

Now if you want to rant about something, lets talk about people / shops / tuners that only post AFTER dyno curves ... C'mon man, i'm not F'ing stupid, you want to brag on your magic work show me BEFORE and AFTER on the same dyno and we can decide if your work is worth anything ... otherwise we could all race dynos on the internet ...

[phillysrt4]

you see the stages a lot in the Harley world, too.

check this guy out. he's either being totally honest or he's completely nuts.

Stage .5

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/2484272536.html

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

harley owners use "stage x" nomenclature? :rofl:

[phillysrt4]

I have a stage 17 headache

Did you try using Aleeveâ„¢ and activating the high octane drug map? that might solve it

[PaceFever79]

I would say that stage 2 has a little more balls than the stage 1, but just not quite as much as stage 3.

hope this helps. :biglaugh:

Thanks, I just choked on my coffee! :laughing:

[Cam99]

harley owners use "stage x" nomenclature? :rofl:

Guess my road king is a stage 1! It's got exhaust, air cleaner mod, and tune. I have to get some bad ass emblems

Did you try using Aleeveâ„¢ and activating the high octane drug map? that might solve it
Keeps kicking me out of HODM:frown:

[PaceFever79]

Its cuz a textin and spacebook an at.

Yinz dunt knaw ha ta tawk ta each uther namore.

Useta be the murya tawk baut it, the badder it saunded!

Naw yinz jus say yer car got a stage this an at...

It makes no sense what yinz mean!

[White5.0]

I dunno, was pretty easy for me to see what he was talking about and i'm not into that scene ...

The ad says " It has an Invidia bellmouth down pipe and a Cobb Accessport V2 which comes with the car and is not for sale seperately.
It is flashed to a stage 2 and runs amazingly well. "

I copied Cobb Accessport V2, and pasted it into google and come up with this ...

http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/?id=3264

Clicking the requirements link for Stage 2 shows more detail on what is required, and what it gets you ...

The only thing that might be confusing is the wat he typed it ...

I little research on my end would have helped as I'm not into the subaru scene. I was just flyin through craigslist ads and got a little fed up with seeing all of that :laughing:


Now if you want to rant about something, lets talk about people / shops / tuners that only post AFTER dyno curves ... C'mon man, i'm not F'ing stupid, you want to brag on your magic work show me BEFORE and AFTER on the same dyno and we can decide if your work is worth anything ... otherwise we could all race dynos on the internet ...

^^I agree 100%

[White5.0]

Its cuz a textin and spacebook an at.

Yinz dunt knaw ha ta tawk ta each uther namore.

Useta be the murya tawk baut it, the badder it saunded!

Naw yinz jus say yer car got a stage this an at...

It makes no sense what yinz mean!


pittsburghese!!

[pRojekt02GT]

Its cuz a textin and spacebook an at.

Yinz dunt knaw ha ta tawk ta each uther namore.

Useta be the murya tawk baut it, the badder it saunded!

Naw yinz jus say yer car got a stage this an at...

It makes no sense what yinz mean!

:rotflol:

[phillysrt4]

Keeps kicking me out of HODM:frown:

you need better quality drugs :)

[shockstang]

Hey Dennis, how many stages of nitrous you runnin'? HA

[Slow01GT]

None, but I am buying a stage 3 trans soon then maybe a stage or two.

[Cam99]

you need better quality drugs :)

troof

[GEARHEAD94]

What if I get a stage 2 intake with stage 1 cams. Does that mean I have a stage 3 system?

[TJH64]

What if I get a stage 2 intake with stage 1 cams. Does that mean I have a stage 3 system?
No..you gotta add the total stages and divide that by the number of mods. In your case, you have a total of 3 stages, 2 mods=stage 1.5:biglaugh:

[JOlbert]

my Tick Performance Level 2 T-56 rebuild & Monster Stage 3 clutch in my car must mean I'm a ricer. haha

Who cares about the Stage shit? If you're looking to buy a car that has a "Stage" whatever part in it & you don't know anything about it, maybe do a little research into it & the car in question.

[White5.0]

my Tick Performance Level 2 T-56 rebuild & Monster Stage 3 clutch in my car must mean I'm a ricer. haha

Who cares about the Stage shit? If you're looking to buy a car that has a "Stage" whatever part in it & you don't know anything about it, maybe do a little research into it & the car in question.

lol maybe do a little research into the forum in question before joining it mr. ls1

btw: read my first post again...I said I understand manufacturers name there products in stages. Im talking about when people say it and dont mention a manufacturer

[PaceFever79]

actually 2+1=3 stages / 2 mods = a stage 1.5 average

[Martin0660]

No..you gotta add the total stages and divide that by the number of mods.

You forgot to mulitply by the number of power adding stickers :pepper:

[White5.0]

there's some serious math going on in this thread :rotflol:

[phillysrt4]

there's some serious math going on in this thread :rotflol:

shit just got serious, yo!

[White5.0]

shit just got serious, yo!


hahahah I just cracked up at work and everyone looked at me. that was great.

[SonofaBish]

shit just got serious, yo!
coming from a math guru, i absolutely love this! :D

[Mitternacht]

Can't forget VTAK, Variable Transistor Accumulator Kineticiser

[White5.0]

Can't forget VTAK, Variable Transistor Accumulator Kineticiser


LOL I remember that video!

[Cam99]

shit just got serious, yo!

LMFAO. This takes me back to when the interwebs was fun:rotflol: