2011-2012 Capri Winter Upgrades [Archive]

Martin0660

10-28-2011, 05:12 PM

It's that time of year again, started to aquire parts for my winter upgrades. Yes, I know it's early, but as typical, I start pretty early and end up struggling to make the early season races. Two big items on my list this year, plus a pile of little stuff.

The core of the first big project showed up today ... Building a G-Force T5 :D Pictured is the GF gear kit (includes the fluids shown) plus a .82 over drive gear set.

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/47363/2763937890066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2763937890066453426Gtlbud)

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/28400/2853782050066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2853782050066453426yjypoa)

This is the helical gear, syncronized kit. Gears will be ‎2.94, 1.94, 1.34, 1.00, then of course the .82 OD combined with a 4.10 rear. I also ordered the GF alloy main shaft, it's just not here yet. Along with this, I will be changing from my 10 spline clutch to a 26 spline.

Martin0660

10-28-2011, 05:17 PM

This is the second part of the projects this year ... No intent to spray it racing typically, just something to play with at the NMRA type races or an occasional glory run ...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/IMAG0181.jpg

ModularMike

10-28-2011, 05:57 PM

NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Very nice Bob.

PaxtonShelby

10-28-2011, 08:04 PM

Nnnaaawwwwwssssssssss!!!!!!! :woot1:

As much as I HATE winter, it is always fun to follow your winter projects! :awsome:

Are you using a regular T5 case? How much power will it be good for with those guts? I'd love to have a T5 that could survive more serious punishment in my '66.

Martin0660

10-28-2011, 09:38 PM

As much as I HATE winter, it is always fun to follow your winter projects!

LOL, it's also how I pass the time ;) Nothing else to do so I might as well take pictures and entertain myself and some others ;)

Are you using a regular T5 case?

Yes, stock case. I have talked to a lot of people, especailly people with GF experience and racers, and nobody could really say that the aftermarket G Force case was much, if any better than a stock case with the right parts.

How much power will it be good for with those guts?

Keep in mind, in addition to the gear set, I'm upgrading to the alloy main shaft, plus adding a billet cluster support (neither here yet ;) ), but it's still something you have to put in context. Here is what they say ...

With the available upgraded 9310 mainshaft, these synchronized gear kits will handle roughly 600 hp or 500 ft-lb. of torque in a 3300 lb. vehicle with drag radials and moderate clutch upgrade.

When you really talk to those in the know, this is affected by a lot. Add an aggressive clutch, slicks, and big RPM clutch drops, and it goes down ... How far ???? .... well, I'm going to have to do that durabilty testing :D

I think it will fit my combo well. I am going back to a Spec 3+ clutch with a marcel spring (The 4 puck without marcel is very agressive), They said that fits their "moderate clutch" range ... And although I do high RPM clutch sidesteps, it's really not under torque like a V8 would be until the boost comes in. In reality, I had just crossed a point where stock T5's was failing from torque, so this is a big step up anyway.

Fast Gypsy

10-28-2011, 10:01 PM

Bob, I've never met or talked to you, but I enjoy reading all the advise you have for all the members. I finally got to PRP last Sat.to run my 88 fox that I have been putting together since last winter.It has a 408 CI 351w, C4, 410 spool. My two best times were, 10.40 @ 130.1 and 10.33 @ 129.25. Needless to say, I was very pleased. I'm 71 years young and this is fast enough for me. I'd like to attend a NMRA event next year and tag along with you guys.Fast Gypsy Vince Ciganik Allison Park,Pa.

Martin0660

10-28-2011, 10:22 PM

Thanks vince, I appreciate that! Sounds like you have a nice piece there and hope i can meet you some time ... I always post in the events section when we are going to NMRA or whatever, and the more the merrier for sure :thmbsup:

yeahloh95

10-29-2011, 09:08 AM

looks like a lot of great parts there

biminiLX

10-30-2011, 09:41 PM

Lookin good Bob, I know we talked about loosing 1st gear ratio, but I think the car might do better with it overall, or just leave off a small shot :) and it could help you spool a BIG turbo later ;)
BTW, why the .82 OD?
-J

Martin0660

10-30-2011, 09:54 PM

Lookin good Bob, I know we talked about loosing 1st gear ratio, but I think the car might do better with it overall, or just leave off a small shot :)

Yeah, through this year I have (un-intentionally) added 1st gear ... Started with 3.50/3.73 and was border line on traction ... Went to 3.97/3.73 and lost 60' (what I had at Milan) ... In preperation for a new tranny I got the new gears installed (3.97 / 4.10) and couldn't buy traction on one of the best starting lines I've seen. So going up is the right move, it's just a big jump to work through. I needed the rear gear anyway as I was crossing too low in RPM, the good news is I'm mostly happy with that now with the 4.10 in there, it just killed me off the launch.

I am implementing the launch control strategy in my Squirt this winter ... I can pull timing starting at X rpms and increase the pull as needed up to the rev limiter. We will see what boost I can get in with that.

and it could help you spool a BIG turbo later ;)

Nah, this junk is done as far as engine evolution ... I'm just going to get what I can out of this combo of parts, hopefully can actually hook & shift it, but it is, what it is ... The parts are there to run what I want to now.

BTW, why the .82 OD?

4 banger thing ... remember at 2500 rpm in 5th, I'm at NO boost, so it's a 8:1 compression 4 banger ... without gear there, you are in and out of 5th constantly cruising around ...

Martin0660

10-31-2011, 06:34 PM

Some supporting nitrous parts came today ... automatic heater, blanket, flexible blow down kit, misc other bits ...

http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/27745/2262767300066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2262767300066453426AOkNGk)

Ares

10-31-2011, 06:56 PM

What adding nitrous too!

Game on man, game on :2thumbs:

Martin0660

10-31-2011, 07:00 PM

Game on man, game on :2thumbs:

Hey c'mon, you already have twice the cylinders, a blower coming, plus going to something like 4 times the valves I have (I've got 8 lousy valves) ....

We already know 2.3 = 4.6, I'll give you the power adder, you still have to spot me the valves :pepper:

Oh ...... bring it :woot1:

Martin0660

11-01-2011, 05:11 PM

UPS guy is getting tired :D

Billet nitrous bottle bracket ...

http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/27982/2787355970066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2787355970066453426PydETv)

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/50155/2540145320066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2540145320066453426VRTgAl)

Stifflers Crossmember ...

http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/49432/2648515510066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2648515510066453426MPzHSw)

Steve-0

11-01-2011, 05:28 PM

Wow looking good. That billet bottle bracket looks fancy haha.

And the ups people should get over it, it's their job! My guy only gets mad when I order wheels and tires for my truck. :sticktonge:

Slow01GT

11-01-2011, 07:08 PM

Very nice Bob. I am also hoping to make the ups/fedex drivers sick of my house this winter

Martin0660

11-02-2011, 05:08 PM

Another day, more parts ;)

This is the Astro "level 4" rebuild kit ...

http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/48840/2577963520066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2577963520066453426Tdvfxf)

A few interesting things with their parts. The 1 & 2 syncronizers are new assemblies with what they call "Carbon Particle" lining and have different cone angles than stock. the 3 & 4 Sychro rings are carbon fiber lined. This is the 1 or 2 assemblies (hard to get a clear picture) ...

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/49899/2538310780066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2538310780066453426jUenjq)

I also ordered their billet cluster support. It is pictured here with the stock style stamped one ...

http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/49158/2279807790066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2279807790066453426oEvHLP)

yeahloh95

11-02-2011, 08:23 PM

very nice parts do you have all the trans parts now ?

Martin0660

11-02-2011, 08:35 PM

Still missing the main shaft. G Force is out of stock, estimated to ship 11/21 (hope anyway).

I am going to drop the input shaft off at the machine shop tomorrow (machine for 2.3 pilot).

sutyak

11-03-2011, 09:06 PM

Good grief I can't believe it's that time of the year again for another Bob build! Where did 2011 go?
Looking good man!

Martin0660

11-03-2011, 09:15 PM

Good grief I can't believe it's that time of the year again

LOL, yeah, I start early ... typically, I'm not home a lot during Jan / Feb / March / so I need to get a running start on parts, then struggle to be done for the early races :(

Martin0660

11-06-2011, 12:23 PM

The nitrous bottle met it's new home :D

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/35330/2325097440066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2325097440066453426KqqqIh)

I like this, I will be able to see the pressure gauge from the drivers seat ...

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/46959/2083236380066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2083236380066453426MKQpSo)

Not sure if it's better to have the clamp nuts on the outside like shown, or the inside. It can be changed, just a tupid little thing to keep me thinking ;)

THE BIG KOALA

11-06-2011, 01:05 PM

Maybe the inside to keep them out of the way for when you put tires in and out. The more you post makes me want to start ordering things now.

Martin0660

11-06-2011, 01:07 PM

LOL, I was thinking this way so it protected the bottle from the tires :D

Order, order, order ... I heard the eucalyptus tree is in bloom ;)

THE BIG KOALA

11-06-2011, 01:41 PM

Yes it is in full bloom but i need to keep it that way for a little while.

Martin0660

11-11-2011, 02:53 PM

Some progress ... Got word that the G Force main shaft was delivered today. Also got a message that the input shaft was done at the machine shop (ground pilot to 2.3 diameter).

So parts will be ready to go to assembly for the transmission. Issue now is the parts are on the East coast and I'm on the west coast, lol. Probably go for assembly after thanksgiving.

Martin0660

11-18-2011, 07:40 PM

The rest of the parts for the G-Force build came. The main shaft came a while ago ...

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/47562/2276641670066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2276641670066453426PHRHRC)

http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/9653/2319833700066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2319833700066453426jFQONM)

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/49097/2529341410066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2529341410066453426JNYnwa)

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/50288/2630723510066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2630723510066453426nfMHyd)

Martin0660

11-18-2011, 07:42 PM

I also got the input back from the machine shop. This is the 26 spline input machined down (ground) for the 2.3 pilot ...

http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/49844/2625128370066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2625128370066453426DLzEvb)

And with a 2.3 pilot bearing ...

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/21789/2477415190066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2477415190066453426IopDJU)

yeahloh95

11-18-2011, 07:52 PM

cool looking parts when they going together

Martin0660

11-18-2011, 08:05 PM

when they going together

Soon! I am planning to drop everything off for assembly after Thanksgiving.

TooFast98Cobra

11-18-2011, 09:13 PM

Bob are you having our old buddy build it ?

Martin0660

11-18-2011, 09:41 PM

Bill - of course :)

Martin0660

11-19-2011, 09:22 PM

All the parts together for one last group photo before they become an assembly :D

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/CIMG3849.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/CIMG3851.jpg

PaxtonShelby

11-19-2011, 10:54 PM

I've never seen this car in person and I still love it!!

TooFast98Cobra

11-19-2011, 11:00 PM

Bill - of course :)

Good deal !

Martin0660

12-04-2011, 09:40 PM

Dropped all the G Force & rebuild parts off tonight. Transmission is going together (I'm likely the only one excited by that ;) )

wick

12-04-2011, 09:47 PM

Now you know im excited about this as well.... you have a vast array of well displayed parts there Bob. Can't wait to see them as an assembly. ;)

Martin0660

12-04-2011, 09:50 PM

Now you know im excited about this as well....

LOL, trying to put you out of work ... Hope to get down to just freshening once a season ;)

AdamantiumSilvr

12-04-2011, 09:54 PM

Looks like everythings coming along pretty well! Good luck with it all. Lookin forward to seein ya in action at some races!!

yeahloh95

12-04-2011, 10:07 PM

yes i hope you get thruthe season with this trans

Martin0660

12-05-2011, 04:56 PM

i hope you get thruthe season with this trans

If it doesen't, it's likely to burn where is breaks ... just saying ;)

Martin0660

12-09-2011, 01:36 PM

Here is something you likely have never seen before, 2.3 Ford, Spec 3+ clutch with 26 spline disk ...

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/48371/2070454840066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2070454840066453426UeqkGI)

And 26 spline input tool (with 2.3 bearing) ...

http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/47549/2909301320066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2909301320066453426rkxZTd)

Martin0660

12-09-2011, 01:38 PM

Small detail, but the Ford Racing pressure plate bolt kit is 1/2 the price of the ARP's and rated to the same strenth, plus the FR kit comes with dowel pins ... The ARP bolts are for the flywheel.

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/46540/2524173080066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2524173080066453426CjVmjA)

Martin0660

12-09-2011, 01:42 PM

These should help keep the engine from trying to jump out ;)

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/34148/2672021100066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2672021100066453426mHmWpp)

http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/47533/2126153600066453426S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2126153600066453426ovucJj)

Here is what the stock one's let happen ...

Capri2.mp4 video by martin0660pb - Photobucket

somethingclever

12-09-2011, 01:53 PM

Bling bling Bob......... :)

Martin0660

12-09-2011, 08:47 PM

Bling bling

That's how I roll :woot1:

yeahloh95

12-09-2011, 10:39 PM

Nice mounts

Martin0660

12-28-2011, 05:33 PM

Rob (Wick) sent me a few pictures of the transmission assembly ...

The Core (what we started with) ...
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/3d4b8907.jpg

And G-Force parts ...
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/707cac8c.jpg

Here is the cluster support plate installed. Need pictures becasue you wont see it again :D
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/edba13c8.jpg

And random, but the G Force OD gear with a stock one ...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/2cdc5713.jpg

Can't thank Rob enough for getting this together for me. He has done a bunch of T5's for me and always takes good care of them.

wick

12-28-2011, 06:50 PM

Im glad your happy Bob. As always, its a pleasure doing these for you. Had a few quirks but all is good!!

ModularMike

12-28-2011, 07:39 PM

Nice racecar Bob

Martin0660

12-28-2011, 09:01 PM

Im glad your happy Bob.

I'm always happy :D

Nice racecar Bob

That's rainbow unicorn streetcar Mike

ModularMike

12-28-2011, 09:07 PM

That reminds me Bob, new sig material.

Martin0660

12-28-2011, 09:12 PM

Oh snap ...

Martin0660

12-28-2011, 09:55 PM

A few more pictures of it together :D

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/c74a81a6.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/e33ca53c.jpg
26 spline input :woot1:

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/8e21e2d9.jpg

I'm actually debating on painting this one ... usually they arent around long enough to worry about it, hoping this one stays together

wick

12-28-2011, 10:26 PM

I see a box of turbo stuff in the background.....hmmmmm

Martin0660

12-28-2011, 11:11 PM

Move along Rob, nothing to see there ;)

wick

12-29-2011, 06:41 AM

Hahahaha.....next year we talk that kinda stupidity....

Pure Stock

12-29-2011, 01:14 PM

Looks good Bob. Nice work wick.

yeahloh95

12-29-2011, 01:50 PM

Nice looking trans I can't wait to see what it sixtyes with that in there

Martin0660

12-31-2011, 06:48 PM

Thanks Guys

I can't wait to see what it sixtyes with that in there

Me neither .... with the 2.95 1st, it's deffinately going to need more RPM to launch :D I'm actually worried about it, but have a few things planned.

Based on what i got in this thing, I decided it needed a little paint

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/0c201cd6.jpg

yeahloh95

12-31-2011, 07:52 PM

Maybe more rear gear 4.30? Don't fear the gear lol

Martin0660

12-31-2011, 07:55 PM

I will shake it down in the spring with the 4.10, if it needs gear, I will base a new choice on 28 tires, so a 4.56 plus would be likely

yeahloh95

01-01-2012, 08:03 AM

you wont know how to act making it out past the sixty ft timer still in first gear

Martin0660

01-01-2012, 02:31 PM

It will be interesting for sure, I might get bored if it makes it that far out without a gear change :) Lots of potential good news, I should be able to run much higher tire pressure, it has great splits so I can adjust cam timing back, etc ... I just need to be able to get at it enough to keep out of a bog.

yeahloh95

01-01-2012, 03:16 PM

Yes more tire pressure can fix the bog problem

THE BIG KOALA

01-01-2012, 03:55 PM

Will you be able to try all this out in between photo shoots and autograph sessions?:biglaugh:

Martin0660

01-02-2012, 08:14 PM

Will you be able to try all this out in between photo shoots and autograph sessions?:biglaugh:

Don'y worry Joe, a portion of all proceeds from autograph fees goes to charity ;) https://www.savethekoala.com/tourism.html

THE BIG KOALA

01-03-2012, 09:08 AM

Sweet!!!

Martin0660

01-18-2012, 08:35 PM

Not much activity on this recently. These got here tonight ...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/168b6601.jpg

TooFast98Cobra

01-18-2012, 09:08 PM

Going to leave them alum finish ? I may do the same .

Martin0660

01-18-2012, 09:12 PM

That's the plan Bill ... I'm not going to hide the wires, just clean some things up ;)

Martin0660

01-24-2012, 09:57 PM

Been hung up on what I was going to do for nitrous controls (switches). They make a panel to fit in the ashtray, and there are a few other options, but they all mostly suck to reach from the drivers seat when belted in ...

DynoTune makes a gauge type control center, but it has more switches than I need.

Picked up an Autometer gauge pod, and a blank gauge from ProSport and going to build my own. Will mount it on the column beside my shift light, should be easy to reach ... Will have my Arm switch and purge button in there.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/45722520.jpg

Martin0660

01-25-2012, 09:19 PM

I'm going to turn it a little harder this year ;) ...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/1d21a0d9.jpg

Martin0660

03-21-2012, 06:11 PM

Been wrapped up in other stuff and my real job, but finally getting some wrench time with the Capri. The good news is that it now has a G Force installed :)

A picture of the clutch before the tranny slid right in :)
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/5e603d7d.jpg

yeahloh95

03-21-2012, 06:56 PM

Nice set up ,you go

yeahloh95

03-21-2012, 06:57 PM

Nice set up , you going to make opening day?

Martin0660

03-21-2012, 07:30 PM

you going to make opening day?

The car should be ready ... A lot depends on break in miles between now and then. I don't ever plan to run the opener

Martin0660

03-22-2012, 06:25 PM

Buttoned up under there tonight :D

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/fa29bc3d.jpg

PaxtonShelby

03-22-2012, 09:42 PM

Be sure to take some video the first time at the track. It'd be great to see the new-and-improved Capri in action!!!

Martin0660

03-23-2012, 05:49 PM

It isn't a Bass Boat wire tuck, but got the passenger side ScottRod panel in today ....

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/aeb3e3a5.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/1be33477.jpg

Not new, but it's a shame this is hidden inside my cold air intake :D

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/b4d9b8f8.jpg

Martin0660

03-23-2012, 05:55 PM

Be sure to take some video the first time at the track.

LOL, I take pictures and videos of everything ;)

Dan B.

03-23-2012, 07:00 PM

I remember quite a few years ago matching you make a pass......as least I think it was you. The lights were dropping and you had it spooled....when you let the clutch fly the ring gear decided not to cooperate!!

ModularMike

03-24-2012, 02:23 AM

Martin0660

03-24-2012, 09:14 AM

when you let the clutch fly the ring gear decided not to cooperate!!

Sounds about right :yes:

Yep :thmbsup:

Axles, Ring gears, Transmissions .... I still get Christmas cards from my rear end and tranny guys ... The tranny guy is now scared I'm cutting into his revenue stream ;)

wick

03-24-2012, 09:21 AM

Yep :thmbsup:

Axles, Ring gears, Transmissions .... I still get Christmas cards from my rear end and tranny guys ... The tranny guy is now scared I'm cutting into his revenue stream ;)

Quoted for truth!!

Martin0660

03-25-2012, 09:51 AM

Quoted for truth!!

I will bring something around for old times :D

wick

03-25-2012, 09:56 AM

I will bring something around for old times :D

Haha. Now your talking!!!

yeahloh95

03-25-2012, 02:02 PM

now that i have a spec clutch i might have to bring mine by haha

Martin0660

03-26-2012, 07:27 PM

I started my junk tonight .... It still sounds like a tractor ...

a8e9690f.mp4 video by martin0660pb - Photobucket

74b90b57.mp4 video by martin0660pb - Photobucket

yeahloh95

03-26-2012, 08:40 PM

would duals sound any different ?

Martin0660

03-26-2012, 09:54 PM

I don't know Troy. We will never know on my car ... I'm not moving my fuel pump and don't see a reason to carry the extra weight.

yeahloh95

03-27-2012, 07:01 AM

i agree i just want a cam in the svo that helps make power and sounds good at idle

Martin0660

04-05-2012, 05:30 PM

Been driving to get some break in miles on the clutch and transmission. Spent a little time to get some of it cleaned up too ...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/1cf87021.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/fea3b176.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa324/martin0660pb/ed7dd2b4.jpg