5.0 track times

[J-rod]

ok please dont harass me...this is copied from another forum. i wasnt going to post here due to the abuse....but you all know the track and will be more helpful than other people.

ok first off i apologize for being a 5.0 drag racing noob but i want to know a few things before i go to the track next weekend. now i have raced a few cars at the track but never a 5.0 stang. (a few v6's and a s/c 99 GT).

i want to know if getting into the 13's is even possible or i am dreaming. i looked at www.dragtimes.com (http://www.dragtimes.com/) and saw several in the 13's with some similar mods. by 13's.....13.999 counts http://www.mustangworld.com/ubb/tongue.gif

i will be driving my 1991 GT with the following mods
LMM springs
KYB shocks and struts
B&M shift kit
2200 stall
MAC CAI
FMS shorty headers

O/R H pipe
Flowmaster catback
boxed upper/lower control arms
3.73 rear gear

car will have new FMS wires, plugs, MSD cap and rotor, and fresh oil change (if any of that matters)

:dunno:

[Slow01GT]

I would say that if you can get traction those 3.73's should help you break 13's. The low stall may hurt though.

[5k#Eaton]

id say 14's unless you can drive like a pro

[George C]

give you an idea. my tired ass notch at the time had 152k miles on the clock

355s, K&N panel filter and H pipe and flows with bald QTPs. everything else stock and it went 13.38@101.8


i say its possible but you need a much larger stall IMHO. i feel the car could of went more with more seat time. i only had the car a week and it didnt 60' good at all

[wick]

give you an idea. my tired ass notch at the time had 152k miles on the clock

355s, K&N panel filter and H pipe and flows with bald QTPs. everything else stock and it went 13.38@101.8


i say its possible but you need a much larger stall IMHO. i feel the car could of went more with more seat time. i only had the car a week and it didnt 60' good at all


How the hell did you do that? I know I am inexperienced. The best I could get from mine was a 14.20. Thats with shorties, or pipe, flows and a ram air. 3.73's. I need more practice for sure. I was also spinning at the start. I am hoping for 12.?? this summer. Doubt I'll get it but you never know.;)

[George C]

How the hell did you do that? I know I am inexperienced. The best I could get from mine was a 14.20. Thats with shorties, or pipe, flows and a ram air. 3.73's. I need more practice for sure. I was also spinning at the start. I am hoping for 12.?? this summer. Doubt I'll get it but you never know.;)

i went 13.4 @ 102.2 and spun some. spinning helped the mph some

slip launch at 3500, no lift shifts at 4500 rpms and that was all she wrote. there was deff more in the car before

my tired ass notch now even with a 171k miles is still slightly impressive

those runs before was also with stock timing

[J-rod]

well that gives me huge doubts

[George C]

well that gives me huge doubts

ill jsut sell you a built auto that has a 3200 stall and youll be set

[wick]

i went 13.4 @ 102.2 and spun some. spinning helped the mph some

slip launch at 3500, no lift shifts at 4500 rpms and that was all she wrote. there was deff more in the car before

my tired ass notch now even with a 171k miles is still slightly impressive

those runs before was also with stock timing


As I say, I need a TON of practice. I was shifting at about 54-5500 launching at about 25 and dropping the clutch. It would hook some and them spin almost instantly. Grab second and they lit up. I guess that would account for my wonderful 2.41 60' HAHAHAHAHA

[George C]

As I say, I need a TON of practice. I was shifting at about 54-5500 launching at about 25 and dropping the clutch. It would hook some and them spin almost instantly. Grab second and they lit up. I guess that would account for my wonderful 2.41 60' HAHAHAHAHA

honestly in my experience with stock 5.0s your way past the peak power
4800 stangs peak, you were just reving for sake of reving

i was shifting around 4500-4800 and got those times. ppl always ask why i shifted to low, cause the car slows down if you go anyhigher

also this car is SD and everyone knows stock for stock SD cars are faster

i tried to dump clutch at 4k all that did was cause me to go 13.9...slipping it was best with the worn out tires i had

when its nice again and your up and running we'll go down to area 51 and test your limits of driving against this tired ass notch...and see how youactually do shift and etc

[INSANELY CRAZY]

you also have to look at the weight difference between your gt and quik's notch.... jared your car is heavier...your time will be determind by your reaction time (to the tree) 60' and how much you spin/hook...

[J-rod]

yea i know im heavier...but i was hoping for 13.9 :dunno:

guess i should shiit in one hand....you know the rest. :rofl:

i mean loking at some of those times and mods on www.dragtimes.com (http://www.dragtimes.com) i dont think im hoping too much for a 13.9 :dunno:

[George C]

yea i have the stripped down version of a notch. i think at time of racing and me in it it was around 3100lbs lol

[lib88stang]

My tired notch with 160,000 miles at the time went 13.8's with 308 gears launching at 5000 also slipping the clutch a bit and shifted at 4800rpms. It was also SD then. Now with a AOD mass air gt it prob go high 14's

[J-rod]

are any of you looking at the times on the links i posted?

i mean these guys with exhaust and tires. 5 speed running upper 13's ??

[Pure Stock]

you also have to look at the weight difference between your gt and quik's notch.... jared your car is heavier...your time will be determind by your reaction time (to the tree) 60' and how much you spin/hook...

The e.t. clocks do not activate until you roll through the stage lights. You could have a 10 second reaction time and it will not effect your e.t. The e.t. is effected by 60' and traction as stated.

[Pure Stock]

give you an idea. my tired ass notch at the time had 152k miles on the clock

355s, K&N panel filter and H pipe and flows with bald QTPs. everything else stock and it went 13.38@101.8


i say its possible but you need a much larger stall IMHO. i feel the car could of went more with more seat time. i only had the car a week and it didnt 60' good at all

There was easy .20's if not teens in that MPH.

[George C]

There was easy .20's if not teens in that MPH.

yea i remember

[J-rod]

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=26&carmodel=270&data1=1993&op1=<=&data2=15.0&op2=<=&search2=et&days=10000000&stock=&resultsperpage=10&carmake=15

also page 27. those are high 13 and 14.0 cars
:dunno:

[George C]

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=26&carmodel=270&data1=1993&op1=<=&data2=15.0&op2=<=&search2=et&days=10000000&stock=&resultsperpage=10&carmake=15

also page 27. those are high 13 and 14.0 cars
:dunno:

i dont care for those lists. our track isnt those tracks

Purestock took a 86 GT to 13.7 completely stock!!!!

[J-rod]

i dont care for those lists. our track isnt those tracks

Purestock took a 86 GT to 13.7 completely stock!!!!


which is why i posted here.....wish we had the timeslip page back

[cough]lou[cough]

[Shaggy]

I ran bone stock with 84k and K&n stock 3.08 gears 14.3 @ 98mph regular good years. I think it did 1.9x 60' can't remember exactly now

Pleather seats, AC ( fully loaded lx hatch ) and weighing probably 220lbs (me)
5 speed.

1992 LX hatch 5.slow 5 speed

Quik can drive his notch. that thing was the best bang for buck sale ever.

[Pure Stock]

To put it as plain and simple as I can. With a automatic (yuk) you hit a performance barrier a lot sooner than you would with a 5-speed manual trans. 5L. As stated earlier in this thread a more aggressive converter(read: higher stall) is like mimicking a higher launch rpm with a 5-speed. With an auto it takes $$$$ in a converter and with the 5-speed it takes a little more travel on the go-pedal. In near stock form it's gonna almost be impossible to beat a 5-speed car in the e.t. department. ( with a competent driver in the 5-speed who knows where the power band is and when it diminishes)

Being efficient with the power the vehicle possesses is key to attaining low elapsed times. It does not take much to get a stock longblock 5L into the 12's. High 102 to Low 103 trap speeds coupled with a good 60' and 3 clean powershifts will net a 12 sec. timeslip. If your afraid to break it... it won't run the number. Amen.

[Shaggy]

:rotflol: broke my t-5 twice with a stock shifter. bought a hurst for $50 the rebuilt t-5 lasted 3 years+ since i sold it. aftermarket shifter and normal boltons can make the t-5 survive with fluid change. no comment about 170k stock long blocks with a cam

[Pure Stock]

:rotflol: broke my t-5 twice with a stock shifter. bought a hurst for $50 the rebuilt t-5 lasted 3 years+ since i sold it. aftermarket shifter and normal boltons can make the t-5 survive with fluid change

There is a fellow on here that has a stock T-5 from 1993, never rebuilt, good 'ole Hurst on top of it and it has withstood sooo many powershifts I cringe each time it gets stirred.:) Currently it is living behind a 425+ RWHP N/A 332 c.i.d. Who says T-5's don't last.

as a sidenote: I personally buried 9 T-5's:rolleyes:

[Shaggy]

There is a fellow on here that has a stock T-5 from 1993, never rebuilt, good 'ole Hurst on top of it and it has withstood sooo many powershifts I cringe each time it gets stirred.:) Currently it is living behind a 425+ RWHP N/A 332 c.i.d. Who says T-5's don't last.

as a sidenote: I personally buried 9 T-5's:rolleyes:

My dumbass thought a different shifter was pointless. well, I powershifted and missed gears driving like a real moron. doin that with a stock shifter broke always the 3rd gear. so i road around a few days with a broke 3rd.
normal first gear WOT 2nd and shifted 4th. 4th broke also.

Since the new shifter. still drove like a moron and it has lasted 3 years+. aftermarket shifter and a good rebuild ( andy mustangs on camp horn road )
survived the moron in me.

1st rebuild cost $1200 from cottman trans. second rebuild was another $1200 from them. rebuilt from andy ( $300 and a $50 used hurst ) Thanks for the tow quik. It has lasted till i sold it to domination.

[Pure Stock]

My dumbass thought a different shifter was pointless. well, I powershifted and missed gears driving like a real moron. doin that with a stock shifter broke always the 3rd gear. so i road around a few days with a broke 3rd.
normal first gear WOT 2nd and shifted 4th. 4th broke also.

Since the new shifter. still drove like a moron and it has lasted 3 years+. aftermarket shifter and a good rebuild ( andy mustangs on camp horn road )
survived the moron in me.

1st rebuild cost $1200 from cottman trans. second rebuild was another $1200 from them. rebuilt from andy ( $300 and a $50 used hurst ) Thanks for the tow quik. It has lasted till i sold it to domination.

So you had $2,400.00 in two stock T-5 rebuilds. OMG:jaw-dropping: You were damn near half-way into a G-Force 5R!

[J-rod]

guess ill tuck my tail and go cry in a corner

[wick]

honestly in my experience with stock 5.0s your way past the peak power
4800 stangs peak, you were just reving for sake of reving

i was shifting around 4500-4800 and got those times. ppl always ask why i shifted to low, cause the car slows down if you go anyhigher

also this car is SD and everyone knows stock for stock SD cars are faster

i tried to dump clutch at 4k all that did was cause me to go 13.9...slipping it was best with the worn out tires i had

when its nice again and your up and running we'll go down to area 51 and test your limits of driving against this tired ass notch...and see how youactually do shift and etc
Sounds good George, I'm gonna hold you to that for sure.:awsome: Thanks.

[wick]

Oh yeah, where is this area 51?

[George C]

Oh yeah, where is this area 51?

roswell dr...you were there recently...area 51 was code name on the net so ppl didnt know

your cammed' GT vs my stock motor notch

[George C]

To put it as plain and simple as I can. With a automatic (yuk) you hit a performance barrier a lot sooner than you would with a 5-speed manual trans. 5L. As stated earlier in this thread a more aggressive converter(read: higher stall) is like mimicking a higher launch rpm with a 5-speed. With an auto it takes $$$$ in a converter and with the 5-speed it takes a little more travel on the go-pedal. In near stock form it's gonna almost be impossible to beat a 5-speed car in the e.t. department. ( with a competent driver in the 5-speed who knows where the power band is and when it diminishes)

Being efficient with the power the vehicle possesses is key to attaining low elapsed times. It does not take much to get a stock longblock 5L into the 12's. High 102 to Low 103 trap speeds coupled with a good 60' and 3 clean powershifts will net a 12 sec. timeslip. If your afraid to break it... it won't run the number. Amen.
i think if i woudl of 60' alot better it would of dipped but a 1.97 isnt cutting it

11.50 QTP on 7" rims dont work well

and i deff agree. ppl love ot over reve these motors and they go slower, i was short shifting it and wentfaster then others......hell you were there

[George C]

My dumbass thought a different shifter was pointless. well, I powershifted and missed gears driving like a real moron. doin that with a stock shifter broke always the 3rd gear. so i road around a few days with a broke 3rd.
normal first gear WOT 2nd and shifted 4th. 4th broke also.

Since the new shifter. still drove like a moron and it has lasted 3 years+. aftermarket shifter and a good rebuild ( andy mustangs on camp horn road )
survived the moron in me.

1st rebuild cost $1200 from cottman trans. second rebuild was another $1200 from them. rebuilt from andy ( $300 and a $50 used hurst ) Thanks for the tow quik. It has lasted till i sold it to domination.

sad thing is i actually shifted smoother with the stock shifter then the Tri-ax i have now. or that could of been from changing the sludge of 153k miles of trans fluid for new shit. but i still hate my steeda

my times were ran with stock shifter

[Pure Stock]

i think if i woudl of 60' alot better it would of dipped but a 1.97 isnt cutting it

11.50 QTP on 7" rims dont work well

and i deff agree. ppl love ot over reve these motors and they go slower, i was short shifting it and wentfaster then others......hell you were there

Some never get it. Some think they got it. And a few actually do get it.;) Bring it back and put it into the 12's where it belongs!

[Shaggy]

sad thing is i actually shifted smoother with the stock shifter then the Tri-ax i have now. or that could of been from changing the sludge of 153k miles of trans fluid for new shit. but i still hate my steeda

my times were ran with stock shifter

wow, You can never accept a compliment. you still had a 2nd and 3rd transportation.


I drove hard 30k+ a year. one car.

[George C]

wow, You can never accept a compliment. you still had a 2nd and 3rd transportation.


I drove hard 30k+ a year. one car.

i took the compliment and was referring to how i dont like my steeda thats all

[George C]

Some never get it. Some think they got it. And a few actually do get it.;) Bring it back and put it into the 12's where it belongs!

bene thinking of going right past 12s and shooting for 11s on the juice. but im not sure of this car lasting long. the OG clutch is on its way out.

its like a stalled auto. i can come to a stop sign in 2nd and never touch the clutch and pull away like it was an auto lol lol

but then again it broke 3-4 loose last night on a powershift

[wick]

roswell dr...you were there recently...area 51 was code name on the net so ppl didnt know

your cammed' GT vs my stock motor notch

Oh damn!!! I should have realized. HAHAHA

[sutyak]

Sorry Jared, I really doubt you'll see 13s.
I think your auto Fox and my future turbo Focus could have fun playing in the mid 14s.
You'll prolly beat me, but by just a tenth or so. :)

[Martin0660]

I have no direct experience with stock type 5.0, but from what i've seen at the track, I really doubt you are going to see 13's. especially your "first" times out. It takes a lot of experience, practice, and familiarity with the car to get it to ET.

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/5082/2982065560066453426S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2982065560066453426JPAamR)

I ran this guy (no idea who it is) twice in time trials, 5.0, AOD car, CAI, supposed to have gears and some minor stuff. His slips were 14.20's at 97-ish.

I think the way more important thing for you your first times out, it to simply set out to have fun. If that is your goal, you wont be disappointed, wont be consumed with "needing" to buy parts, make changes and chase the car. If you go out, take what the car gives you, try to improve your driving, and enjoy racing, hanging out BS'ing you will be a winner. Thats what its about for me, I take what the car will give me, then tweek it to go faster.

Bob Myers

[J-rod]

I have no direct experience with stock type 5.0, but from what i've seen at the track, I really doubt you are going to see 13's. especially your "first" times out. It takes a lot of experience, practice, and familiarity with the car to get it to ET.

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/5082/2982065560066453426S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2982065560066453426JPAamR)

I ran this guy (no idea who it is) twice in time trials, 5.0, AOD car, CAI, supposed to have gears and some minor stuff. His slips were 14.20's at 97-ish.

I think the way more important thing for you your first times out, it to simply set out to have fun. If that is your goal, you wont be disappointed, wont be consumed with "needing" to buy parts, make changes and chase the car. If you go out, take what the car gives you, try to improve your driving, and enjoy racing, hanging out BS'ing you will be a winner. Thats what its about for me, I take what the car will give me, then tweek it to go faster.

Bob Myers


very well said. :highfive: im not going to be upset...i was just wondering...since seeing some times there and from what others have said.

i just got new plugs and fuel filter...plus the wires,cap,rotor,and oil change....so i should have the basics covered....id be happy with a LOW 14 :dunno:

[coralcoupe1993]

My 93 coupe went 14.2 when it was stock. The only mod was Flows and K&N. I did gears got to 14.0. Ah the good old days before I got the perfromance bug.

[thelast50ho]

Id say a stick maybe but since your an auto on street tires 14.5s maybe 14.3s

[93Cobra5.0]

I would be betting on low 14's .. I've never ran mine in the 1/4 but the guy I bought it off of said he did a best of 14.0 but didnt give me a speed.. and thats a 5 speed cobra.. I'm wondering if that guy knew how to drive lol. Most of the GT's I've seen with your mods are in the 13.9 to 14.3 range.. but dont worry, just work on your reaction times, and go there to have fun.

- Mike

[04yellowcobra]

My "tired" 87 GT, equal length shorties, aftermarkets catted H, MAC cat-back, K&N drop in, junk shifter, M/T 235/60 Drag radials went a best of 14.40 at Mason Dixon. Shift points where right at 5k. I was happy with that (seeing that I pulled the upper intake off and it looked like a coal stove, with molasses in the oil pan). I am hoping to completely skip 8s in the 8th with the 351 going in.

Later

[Domination]

I have no direct experience with stock type 5.0, but from what i've seen at the track, I really doubt you are going to see 13's. especially your "first" times out. It takes a lot of experience, practice, and familiarity with the car to get it to ET.

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/5082/2982065560066453426S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2982065560066453426JPAamR)

I ran this guy (no idea who it is) twice in time trials, 5.0, AOD car, CAI, supposed to have gears and some minor stuff. His slips were 14.20's at 97-ish.

I think the way more important thing for you your first times out, it to simply set out to have fun. If that is your goal, you wont be disappointed, wont be consumed with "needing" to buy parts, make changes and chase the car. If you go out, take what the car gives you, try to improve your driving, and enjoy racing, hanging out BS'ing you will be a winner. Thats what its about for me, I take what the car will give me, then tweek it to go faster.

Bob Myers



THATS ME!!!!

The car was AOD and stock EVERYTHING. I think I had about 10,000 Miles on it. Well, I did have a 5 lug conversion and a set of cobra rims. I don't have any slips but I'm pretty sure that was a 15.2, not a 14.2. It was slow as hell. Now I do have 4.10 in it. A mac H, and dumps. And a K&N panel. It might be a 5 speed the next time I'm at the track as well. We'll see.

[J-rod]

i guess the consesus is if i hit 14.5 be happy and shut up?

:dunno:

im sure if i had tires for track id have a better shot at low 14's.

[Martin0660]

THATS ME!!!!

The car was AOD and stock EVERYTHING. I think I had about 10,000 Miles on it. Well, I did have a 5 lug conversion and a set of cobra rims. I don't have any slips but I'm pretty sure that was a 15.2, not a 14.2. It was slow as hell. Now I do have 4.10 in it. A mac H, and dumps. And a K&N panel. It might be a 5 speed the next time I'm at the track as well. We'll see.


Huh, I geuss I got my stockish 5.0's confused ;) I know i ran one with a little bit done to it that ran low 14's. You know how it is, you talk to so many guys at the track, and they start to run together.

How does that 4 cylinder car look from behind running away? :3gears: lol

Bob Myers

[Domination]

haha, I don't know. You got so far away I didn't get a good look

[George C]

i guess the consesus is if i hit 14.5 be happy and shut up?

:dunno:

im sure if i had tires for track id have a better shot at low 14's.

you need converter!!!

[J-rod]

dammit i know!

why you all have to live so far away!

(Actually wish me luck...im applying to a job in pitt pa)

[George C]

dammit i know!

why you all have to live so far away!

(Actually wish me luck...im applying to a job in pitt pa)

im down Mt pleasant a good bit. thats not to far from WV. if your close to Tim and his shop mater and his shop isnt that far from there

you hsould jsut buy my built trans an call it a day

[J-rod]

i dont have that much $$$

[George C]

i dont have that much $$$

your rich!!! you live in WV and drive a 5.0. all your hillbillys with 5.0s are millionnares :biglaugh:

[J-rod]

im rich??? i better go check the bank account again?























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