Obamacare

[mustang50lx]

Watch the whole thing. I got so pissed off watching this I almost put my fist through the computer screen. These mother fuc*ers are so out of control something just needs done.


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

[street591]

I <3 Obamacare.

[wick]

Glenn, if ya wanna vent you can give me a ring. I will respectively keep my comments to myself on this one....

But yes... we are all F U C K E D! ! ! !

[wick]

About the only hope we do have is that somebody takes out that "tan" individual that is acting.like the president of the UNITED STATES. In reality what's happening is the beginning stages of what "his real family members" go through.

[TJH64]

Sickening!

[ruger77]

I knew it was bad but that is insane! Democracy is being replaced with Socialism!!!!!!!!!

[PaxtonShelby]

I can't bring myself to look at this right now...or I'll get so irritated I won't be able to fall asleep.

[Viper_ed]

About the only hope we do have is that somebody takes out that "tan" individual that is acting.like the president of the UNITED STATES. In reality what's happening is the beginning stages of what "his real family members" go through.

Don't get me wrong, he still needs to go back to where he came from, but last I checked, he alone can not make any new laws or regulations without the majority vote of all the other elected officials we vote for.

[Stroked03Cobra]

Hopefully we will not have to worry about this soon... Hopefully!

[wick]

Don't get me wrong, he still needs to go back to where he came from, but last I checked, he alone can not make any new laws or regulations without the majority vote of all the other elected officials we vote for.

This is true. Very true. Somehow someway he has brainwashed those knuckleheads into thinking its all a good idea.

[mustang50lx]

This is true. Very true. Somehow someway he has brainwashed those knuckleheads into thinking its all a good idea.


Pelosi, Reed, Boxer, and the rest are all just as f*cked up as he is.

[PaxtonShelby]

How the f#^& Pelosi has managed to get ANY job other than being a stunt-double for a hideous clown is beyond me.

[mustang50lx]

How the f#^& Pelosi has managed to get ANY job other than being a stunt-double for a hideous clown is beyond me.

She should be in prison. Martha Stewart went to jail for doing the same insider trading thing she did.

[Seer]

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/16/romney-right-obama-and-water-carrier-crowley-wrong-on-act-of-terror-claim/

[John4cam]

Man created this mess and people think men will get us out of it? Lol!

Men dominate men to their injury.

[map351]

"But as the Washington Examiner reports, Barack and Michelle Obama have invested between $200,000 and $450,000 in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund, which has huge holdings in Apple, General Electric, and IBM… all of which are very much ‘pioneers in outsourcing."


http://www.humanevents.com/2012/07/18/obama-takes-bain-donations-and-has-offshore-investments/

[83dropboy]

Don't get me wrong, he still needs to go back to where he came from, but last I checked, he alone can not make any new laws or regulations without the majority vote of all the other elected officials we vote for.

You may think you voted for these representatives, but the truth is they are all part of the two-headed one party system media promoted left/right paradigm.

The Democrat and Republican parties are serving the interest of the megabanks and multinational corporations, not the American people.

One man didn't do this, it wasn't an Executive Order, it was passed through our corporate sponsored bought and paid for congress.

An somehow being forced to buy a product has been deemed Constitutional by the SCOTUS.

It is a socialist and draconian bill, it steals civil liberties, levies more taxes, gives more power to the IRS, and is very detrimental to health care.

This happens when the majority of the public is more interested in dancing with the stars, celebrity worship, and their passions are for sports teams, not freedom or liberty. the Edward Bernays model of manipulating the public is alive and well today.

Perhaps George Carlin said it best:

George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube

[PaxtonShelby]

RIP George...you would have made a GREAT President!!

[scorpio333]

Two party system is like having two parents and kids. Parents are the gov't. Turn the kids on themselves and send them out in the backyard to fight it out. Then the parents can go about doing whatever they want while the kids bicker.

I won't vote for either of the canned candidates. All you Obama bashers think Romney is the ray of sunshine we need? You got to be kidding. Obama ain't right either, all it takes is one look at how he polarizes people, he's no leader.

Like said above congress should be the focus, that's where the magic happens, the President is just a figure head, he can't do it alone.

I'm "wasting" my vote for Johnson.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...I don't usually get involved in politics but its total comin sense! Government has always been F'd up from the beginning! Although we have had grreat leadership thru out history, its a fact! But I see n know ALOT of people who aren't gonna vote and who are gonna waste it!!!??? Reeeally, WTF!??? Which is total BS!! Your vote may help contribute to wether er not we go in the right er wrong direction!! Ya better wake up and learn the truth of exactly whats goin on then!! Cause its obvious what your all about!!?? lol The future for our kids and their kids n soo on depends on keepin America, AMERICA and thats having Freedom, Rights and In G-D We Trust! Cause without that were powerless and you might as well be a slave!!

[John4cam]

...I don't usually get involved in politics but its total comin sense! Government has always been F'd up from the beginning! Although we have had grreat leadership thru out history, its a fact! But I see n know ALOT of people who aren't gonna vote and who are gonna waste it!!!??? Reeeally, WTF!??? Which is total BS!! Your vote may help contribute to wether er not we go in the right er wrong direction!! Ya better wake up and learn the truth of exactly whats goin on then!! Cause its obvious what your all about!!?? lol The future for our kids and their kids n soo on depends on keepin America, AMERICA and thats having Freedom, Rights and In G-D We Trust! Cause without that were powerless and you might as well be a slave!!


It doesnt matter who gets in office. The real powers lie in the people with the money. Money is power....and if someone tells me Obama or Romney have all the money i'll tell them they're full of it.

[Mark Aubele]

I'm "wasting" my vote for Johnson.

I did the same thing in '08, after having voted for Bush twice and being extremely frustrated with the Republican party. This time I will be voting for Romney, I am that upset with Obama that I actually think he can and will do something. I just wish they (republicans) would drop the idiotic religion and overt social conservatism (mostly gay marriage, who cares), I feel neither have a place in politics. I really believe if they did it would be 70/30 red over blue.

[03 OW SVT]

I'm not found of either one of the idiots, but i think Mitt is the lesser of the two evils. His Morman ways and the way the Mormans think is almost as bad as that Socialist Doushe-Bag we have now.

As far as our healthcare goes i think Wick said it best "We're f*cked!"

[SAC81]

I did the same thing in '08, after having voted for Bush twice and being extremely frustrated with the Republican party. This time I will be voting for Romney, I am that upset with Obama that I actually think he can and will do something. I just wish they (republicans) would drop the idiotic religion and overt social conservatism (mostly gay marriage, who cares), I feel neither have a place in politics. I really believe if they did it would be 70/30 red over blue.


Yes! Agreed 100%.

[blizzard]

surprised nobodys mentioned the illuminati yet :sticktonge: :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=0_Bih0QBMcE

[torchred v6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gHGbidY4pO8

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...some reason this song pop't up to me when I seen this post!! Wu Tang Clan "C.R.E.A.M." - YouTube

It doesnt matter who gets in office. The real powers lie in the people with the money. Money is power....and if someone tells me Obama or Romney have all the money i'll tell them they're full of it.

[map351]

If Barry wins this is on the way! You think there Enviro-Nazi now wait till he get's 4 more years to finish off the country..

"allow the agency to expand federal control over virtually every body of water in the United States, no matter how small, the report also concludes."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/21/inhofe-epa-punting-regs-until-after-election-that-pell-doom-for-jobs-economy/

[jaa55]

I voted for Obama in 08 because I was in college and didnt have to pay taxes, stupid decision. colleges promote liberalism. whether romney is right or wrong hes got my vote im sick of the bullshit. Im really sick of the state government we all need to get together and replace property tax with more sales tax

[Silverhatch]

If they can create a free health care for most folks without alot of b.s. i'd be for it. I have been paying for everyones kids to get a free education my entire home-owners life, so why not healthcare? Same thing really. You pay for ALL welfare children to get an education. No difference.

[jaa55]

socialism, anything government controlled has entirely too much waste, more pensions more federal jobs more IRS more taxes. I say no way to this health care shit. It needs reformed but not this way. healthcare costs are so expensive because people keep suing over stupid crap

i believe in a universal education system but the way property taxes are setup now the districts have entirely too much power on how much they charge home owners. with a flat sales tax that is distributed by the state you hit everyone equally proportionally on how much you buy. when your old youll stop buying cars and stuff you dont need so you will save money and bear less burden.

[mustang50lx]

socialism, anything government controlled has entirely too much waste, more pensions more federal jobs more IRS more taxes. I say no way to this health care shit. It needs reformed but not this way. healthcare costs are so expensive because people keep suing over stupid crap

i believe in a universal education system but the way property taxes are setup now the districts have entirely too much power on how much they charge home owners. with a flat sales tax that is distributed by the state you hit everyone equally proportionally on how much you buy. when your old youll stop buying cars and stuff you dont need so you will save money and bear less burden.


X2 on the the law suits. The lawyers need reeled in. They need to cap stupid law suits. If you are really hurt thats one thing, but the crap needs to stop.

[blizzard]

gotta start think outside our own country, shits gettin real ...how about Hillary over in the UN signing everybody up on a global gun ban.. or is that just smoke? hmm..

[John4cam]

If they can create a free health care for most folks without alot of b.s. i'd be for it. I have been paying for everyones kids to get a free education my entire home-owners life, so why not healthcare? Same thing really. You pay for ALL welfare children to get an education. No difference.


I hope you're not serious here....

Not that heathcare is really what it's called. I don't believe in allopathic medicine, but the freedom of choice through the whole process will be eliminated. For instance, you can't do this and see this doctor. Or you can't get this surgury because you did this. It's already happening with the elderly on Government programs. Even if it is the same as welfare or something else, why create more of a bad thing? It's all about control, and to be quite honest I believe population control.

[map351]

I hope you're not serious here....

Not that heathcare is really what it's called. I don't believe in allopathic medicine, but the freedom of choice through the whole process will be eliminated. For instance, you can't do this and see this doctor. Or you can't get this surgury because you did this. It's already happening with the elderly on Government programs. Even if it is the same as welfare or something else, why create more of a bad thing? It's all about control, and to be quite honest I believe population control.

Bingo!

"IPAB: President Obama's NICE Way To Ration Care To Seniors"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottatlas/2012/10/21/ipab-president-obamas-nice-way-to-ration-care-to-seniors/

[Silverhatch]

I hope you're not serious here....


If they can somehow get free healthcare for people who don't have insurance already through their employer without raising any taxes it wouldn't bother me. Hopefully these same people would be required to pay a fee to have said insurance. It wouldn't be great, but it would be something. Where do you draw the line on different needs?, I don't know. Listen, NOONE gets turned away at the ER. Insurance or not, emergency, they take them. Guess who foots the bill when it comes due? The hospital doesn't eat it, they pass the buck along to our insurance companies. Ever wonder why your insurance company pays $10 for two q-tips on your medical bill? Or that it costs $10k a night to stay there? If the state had insurance for these people that came out of revenue already collected, maybe our deductibles and premiums would drop. I don't agree with the whole Obamacare, but if someone gets a free education, why not healthcare. IMO I can learn on my own worst comes to worst, I'm not diagnosing any disease on my own. People say its not fair, well guess what, ole' Miss Crabapple who hasn't had kids in school for 60 years is still paying school tax on a house thats been paid off for 40.....

[John4cam]

If they can somehow get free healthcare for people who don't have insurance already through their employer without raising any taxes it wouldn't bother me. Hopefully these same people would be required to pay a fee to have said insurance. It wouldn't be great, but it would be something. Where do you draw the line on different needs?, I don't know. Listen, NOONE gets turned away at the ER. Insurance or not, emergency, they take them. Guess who foots the bill when it comes due? The hospital doesn't eat it, they pass the buck along to our insurance companies. Ever wonder why your insurance company pays $10 for two q-tips on your medical bill? Or that it costs $10k a night to stay there? If the state had insurance for these people that came out of revenue already collected, maybe our deductibles and premiums would drop. I don't agree with the whole Obamacare, but if someone gets a free education, why not healthcare. IMO I can learn on my own worst comes to worst, I'm not diagnosing any disease on my own. People say its not fair, well guess what, ole' Miss Crabapple who hasn't had kids in school for 60 years is still paying school tax on a house thats been paid off for 40.....


I agree with you on other issues you listed, but here again lets end that handout stuff now and quit the chain reaction.

The problem I have with the current system is that "healthcare" was transformed into a big business nobody can afford....thus needing insurance. First thing doctors do when someone has an issue is prescribe a pill that provides you with a symptom that's worse than the sickness. I watch my mother in law take 15 pills a day to stay, ahem, healthy. Talk about a money making scheme!

The whole thing is loony. There are some surguries that are amazing, but look at the cost as well. Then we have something called the FDA that supposedly makes sure our Food and Drugs are "safe". Meanwhile, both are killing us as we beg for them.

[Wolfpack Speed]

Anybody watch 2016 Obama's America???????

[Mark Aubele]

I agree with you on other issues you listed, but here again lets end that handout stuff now and quit the chain reaction.

The problem I have with the current system is that "healthcare" was transformed into a big business nobody can afford....thus needing insurance. First thing doctors do when someone has an issue is prescribe a pill that provides you with a symptom that's worse than the sickness. I watch my mother in law take 15 pills a day to stay, ahem, healthy. Talk about a money making scheme!

The whole thing is loony. There are some surguries that are amazing, but look at the cost as well. Then we have something called the FDA that supposedly makes sure our Food and Drugs are "safe". Meanwhile, both are killing us as we beg for them.

Great post John.

[phillysrt4]

damn... I wish I hadn't been so busy at work... this thread delivered!

as an aside thats somewhat related, there was an article today that the US in 2011 at the fed and state level spent a total of 1 TRILLION dollars on welfare. more than on medicare and social security.

[Silverhatch]

damn... I wish I hadn't been so busy at work... this thread delivered!

as an aside thats somewhat related, there was an article today that the US in 2011 at the fed and state level spent a total of 1 TRILLION dollars on welfare. more than on medicare and social security.
yeah if they tightened up the welfare rules, they could then blow that money on something else. Because you know taxes won't drop.lol.

[wick]

yeah if they tightened up the welfare rules, they could then blow that money on something else. Because you know taxes won't drop.lol.

Yeah, the rules...tighten the phucking rules considerably!!!
Just last week I was grocery shopping with my son. Well, this rather dark *ahem* tan fat bitch was infront of me at the checkout. Talking on her smart phone with the click them bitches do with those huge ass purple lips....she had over $200 in steaks and such in her cart. I was thinking BBQ at the sistas hizous. Nah, she pulled out the good ole ebt to pat and the cashier gave a stupid look....kinda like the one I had. Under my breath I muttered " ain't that some shit, must be nice". She musta heard me and turned and said something back. My rage had started increasing so I calmly bit my tongue. Then she said something else so I politely said "it must be real ****in nice, hope you enjoy the steaks that all us taxpayers just bought you. I'm also sure you will go outside and get in a big ass caddy too". Well, ad I caused a little ruckus in the store, everybody watched her leave. Yes, she got in a black tinted escalade with wheels on it.

[map351]

An somehow being forced to buy a product has been deemed Constitutional by the SCOTUS.


Not really they ruled the law as a TAX, Roberts gave the republicans a tool to kill Obamacare. All (Tax) bills must originatein in the Congress (Article I, section 7) this bill ( Obamacare) now a tax demmed by the SCOTUS was started life in the Senate by Reed.



"For all these reasons, to say that the Individual Mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it. Judicial tax-writing is particularly troubling. Taxes have never been popular, see, e.g., Stamp Actof 1765, and in part for that reason, the Constitution requires tax increases to originate in the House of Representatives. See Art. I, §7, cl. 1. That is to say, they must originate in the legislative body most accountable to the people, where legislators must weigh the need for the tax against the terrible price they might pay at their next election, which is never more than two years off. The Federalist No. 58 “defend[ed] the decision to give the origination power to the House on the ground that the Chamber that is more accountable to the people should have the primary role in raising revenue.” United States v. Munoz-Flores, 495 U. S. 385, 395 (1990). We have no doubt that Congress knew precisely what it was doing when it rejected an earlier version of this legislation that imposed a tax instead of a requirement-with-penalty. See Affordable Health Care for America Act, H. R. 3962, 111th Cong., 1st Sess., §501 (2009); America’s Healthy Future Act of 2009, S. 1796, 111th Cong., 1st Sess., §1301. Imposing a tax through judicial legislation inverts the constitutional scheme, and places the power to tax in the branch of government least accountable to the citizenry."
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[Troll]

got my W2 today. there's a big number in box 12c. code DD. on the back, it says, "this is the amount your employer paid for health insurance. it is NOT taxable. Obviously, it WILL be taxable next year. This will equate to $2,000 to $3,000 in extra federal taxes for me next year. I am def. in the middle class. What is happening here? The pres. did not LIE to us, did he ??? How on God's green earth did this bill pass the House and the Senate? How long is it going to take for hard-working true Americans to quit their full-time jobs, get a part-time job and free 0bamacare, just like everybody else? At that point, NOBODY will be paying INTO the system. Good Luck with your government, fvcking liberal retards !!! :woot1:

[street591]

^^^
I have seen several cases of this already. People paying on average between $2k-3k MORE in taxes and getting what for it...NOTHING.

The sad part is...99.9% of the people facing this extra taxing is lower-middle class average americans working 40 hours a week, 5 days a week and cannot afford to lose out on $3,000 they've been receiving for the past decade.

So much for stimulating the economy using get rich quick schemes. Numerous families now cannot afford getting a newer vehicle and are stuck in their previous problem-infested current vehicles.

Go obama.

[street591]

Anybody want to open a corporation?

It's a win-win situation:

A. We succeed and make millions.

B. We fail and get handed millions.

[03 OW SVT]

Yeah my wife has noticed she gets 200 more taking out of her pay now. I fuking hate that man. Hay Obama.... :flipoff:

[coralcoupe1993]

I STILL cannot belive people thought voting for this guy was a good idea. Holy crap.

[Dan B.]

Yeah my wife has noticed she gets 200 more taking out of her pay now. I fuking hate that man. Hay Obama.... :flipoff:

^^^ This times like a bunch!!!!

[Mark Aubele]

I STILL cannot belive people thought voting for this guy was a good idea. Holy crap.

The democrats have perfected the class warfare tactic in recent years, then you have the people who hear republican and instantly think of uterus's being ripped from women, Jesus freaks, rich old white guys....

Then you compound that issue with the fact that the republicans have lost their favor for the most part with guys like me (typical fiscal conservative but socially liberal blue collar male) because of their strange fascination to try to out democrat democrats....

And Obama wins. I voted for Romney, but I became so disgusted with the republican party I wrote in Ron Paul in '08. The republicans need to drop the religious bullshit and stop trying to promise everyone everything and get back to fighting to let us keep our money and extend the freedom talk to include not just 2A issues, but unpopular to neo-con social issues as well or the left will keep on taking this country to the brink of socialism.

[cLockWise]

I can't bring myself to look at this right now...or I'll get so irritated I won't be able to fall asleep.

+11510501501501515

It just pisses me off beyond belief :(

[coralcoupe1993]

I hate all of this. The Republicans need to change it up. Lay off of the gays and abortion. Bottom line, the US majority is Fiscally Conservative and Socially Moderate.

My run down:
Big government is not the solution, it’s the problem.
Gay rights, who cares. I get it changes what most think is correct but whatever.
Abortion, glad my mother didn’t have one.

If we want these CRAZY moon bat liberals to go back to their psycho civilian lives, we need to get correct viewed Conservative (guess libertarian) people in that damn white house. It is a ghetto scene right now. We now risk destroying everything we have built since 1776. These 8 years will and are historical destroyers.

[jaa55]

I hate all of this. The Republicans need to change it up. Lay off of the gays and abortion. Bottom line, the US majority is Fiscally Conservative and Socially Moderate.

My run down:
Big government is not the solution, it’s the problem.
Gay rights, who cares. I get it changes what most think is correct but whatever.
Abortion, glad my mother didn’t have one.

If we want these CRAZY moon bat liberals to go back to their psycho civilian lives, we need to get correct viewed Conservative (guess libertarian) people in that damn white house. It is a ghetto scene right now. We now risk destroying everything we have built since 1776. These 8 years will and are historical destroyers.

Exactly where I stand

[Troll]

February 5, 2013
Dear Mr. Xxxxxxx,

Thank you for contacting my office about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (P.L. 111-148). I appreciate hearing from you.

The President's health care plan, which was enacted last Congress, is fundamentally wrong in its approach to improving our nation's health care system. This law imposes onerous new mandates and regulations that will have numerous unintended consequences. It's bad for patients, it's bad for doctors, and it's bad for our economy. Additionally, it threatens to put serious strains on our nation's long term fiscal outlook.

Although the outcome of the recent elections makes our task more difficult, I will continue to support a full repeal of the President's health care plan. During the 112th Congress, I was an original co-sponsor the Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act. In addition, on February 2, 2011, I voted in support of an amendment offered by Senator McConnell (R-KY) that would have repealed the President' health care plan.

Additionally, I have worked to eliminate the worst elements of government-run health care. In April 2011, I helped successfully eliminate Obamacare's onerous expansion of tax information requirements that would have mandated small businesses to submit 1099 forms for routine business expenses like office supplies and shipping costs. Furthermore, I have cosponsored measures which repeal the medical device tax, abolish the Independent Payment Advisory Board, and protect the rights of conscience for consumers, doctors and employers.

As I continue working on this important issue, please be assured that I value your input and remain committed to working with my colleagues to fully repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Please do not hesitate to contact my office in the future.

Sincerely,



Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania