'01 GT / short term powa goals !!!

[Troll]

We need some more modular 2V info on this board. Peeps are all hardcore 5.0 and 4V.

Anyway, looks as though I'll be picking up an '01 Mustang Gt from CST 03 (Roxy) in the near future.

My short-term goal is to reach the 99-04 advertised crank hp/tq at the wheels, so we're shooting for 260/300.

Car is a 5-speed. Power mods on car now are BBK cai and welded in Flowmaster 2-chamber mufflers. My plans for the immediate future are a catted mid-pipe, 75mm throttle body, upper plenum and mail-order tune from Modular Depot. Car does have 3.73 gears and needs speedo corrected. I figure I'll go with the tune now to correct for the gears, juice the timing and shoot for a 12.9 A/F. At this point, I'll go to Hybrids and dyno the damn thing (hopefully I can get this all done before we actually have a dyno day). If my A/F and/or power is way off, Ima go to SGS (? ex-Kaufmans) and get my tune tweaked.

I'll guess without the dyno tune, it'll put down 250hp/290tq and Dave Guy will have to coax the other ten out of it on the dyno. :goodidea:

[Chris00GT]

I got my 00GT up to 270rwhp with bullitt intake, Mac LT headers, off road x, cat-back, underdrive pulleys, and a 80mm pro-m mass air meter..oh and a dyno tune :) Later on I pulled the blower off and did a re-dyno and with the addition of blower cams but with no underdrive pulleys, she stepped up to 280rwhp.

[03 OW SVT]

Adam,

I forgot to mention to you yesterday that Terry (Street Lethol Per.) had a new pretator tuner for sale. I don't know if he still has it or not but if your interested I'll PM you his No. and you can call him.

[03 OW SVT]

Forgot to mention that I'm glad to see my car is going to a good home. It will be hard to see it go butt I know it will be will taken care of. :goodidea:

[Troll]

Adam,

I forgot to mention to you yesterday that Terry (Street Lethol Per.) had a new pretator tuner for sale. I don't know if he still has it or not but if your interested I'll PM you his No. and you can call him.


Forgot to mention that I'm glad to see my car is going to a good home. It will be hard to see it go butt I know it will be will taken care of. :goodidea:

Thanks, but I don't really trust myself with the tuning. Modular Depot sells them for the same retail price as everywhere else and they include one of their "custom" tunes to match your mods. It seems like they have a lot of satisfied customers on their forum.

Oh, and Kevin, when I get 'er home, I'll take a pic of your baby in my garage so you can sleep at night. :rolleyes:

[Troll]

Well, if I go with an o/r pipe... I could get through this first round under a grand. If we assume 8-10hp for the tb/plenum combo, 8-10 for the mid-pipe and 10 on the tune... I should be close to to my goal for ($1000/30hp) $33.33 per horsepower. Not bad? :hyper:

[2000GT]

Well, if I go with an o/r pipe... I could get through this first round under a grand. If we assume 8-10hp for the tb/plenum combo, 8-10 for the mid-pipe and 10 on the tune... I should be close to to my goal for ($1000/30hp) $33.33 per horsepower. Not bad? :hyper:

I have a MAC off raod Porchamber for sale. PM if interested.

SEAN

[Troll]

I have a MAC off raod Porchamber for sale. PM if interested.

SEAN

pm'd :phone:

[Twin01cobra]

I have a 01 Cobra front and rear bumper if your interested in any exterior mods.:goodidea:

[Troll]

I have a 01 Cobra front and rear bumper if your interested in any exterior mods.:goodidea:

does this add HP??? WTF??? just kidding. It has a chin spoiler on it and I just ordered a Mach 1 grill delete, so I'll stick with that for now... but that front bumper prolly would look real good on there.

[Twin01cobra]

does this add HP??? WTF??? just kidding. It has a chin spoiler on it and I just ordered a Mach 1 grill delete, so I'll stick with that for now... but that front bumper prolly would look real good on there.

Don't you know that you pick up about 10hp with a cobra front bumper:thmbsup: JK. What your doing will look good for sure, like the grill deletes.

[rj79]

I would wait and get LTs if I were you before buying a mid pipe. They make a big difference even NA. If you decide in the future to get them you'll have to scrap the mid pipe you are planning to buy. You could look at SLPs modular x pipe also. It can be broken down into a shorter version to accomodate LTs. Just my .02.

[Troll]

LTs and Cams are part of the "long-term" plan. I'll just hafta buy another mid-pipe. ebay is my friend. :sticktonge:

[rj79]

Good deal. Let me know when you are ready for cams. I have a set of VT Stage 1 NA cams here that I may or may not end up using. I'm all confused about what I want to do now. lol

[Troll]

Good deal. Let me know when you are ready for cams. I have a set of VT Stage 1 NA cams here that I may or may not end up using. I'm all confused about what I want to do now. lol

dammit I wasn't planning on starting my cam research yet. VT does make some very nice products. What is Stage 1. Any PTV clearance issues with stock bottom end? Do you need new springs? Can you install the springs with the heads on the block? Who makes the most aggressive cam we can use with stock pistons?

I may scrap the long-term s/c idea and go for 300rwhp n/a.

edit: actually I'd like to wait and see if someone comes up with a clean-sheat 2V 4.6 Head for these things instead of a massaged PI core.

[Chris00GT]

VT, makes very nice N/A cams. On the blower side I like HP blower cams. VT stage 1 you can get away with stock valve springs. You could also get away with a stage 2 cam, but you will need valve springs. You really don't get into PTV clearance unless your a 96-98 with a PI head swap. Your also going to need a tune. The car will run, but it won't idle for crap. You can change the valve springs on the car, but your going to buy a special tool from OTC that like $150 to do it.

300rwhp is possible, but it's going to be expensive!! Ported heads, aftermarket intake manifold, cams, complete exhaust, and a good tune.

[rj79]

Obviously Chris is right. lol Chris I saw some posts you made on stangnet. Did the bottom end ever let go on your GT?

[Chris00GT]

Nope the GT is still going stong. Drove her to work yesterday :goodidea:

[rj79]

Wow what is she putting down now? That is amazing. When I slap a blower on my car I might be making a trip across the state.

[Troll]

Wow what is she putting down now? That is amazing. When I slap a blower on my car I might be making a trip across the state.

Are you going s/c hence the selling of the cams? I'll probably be in the same boat in a few months. Here's how it breaks down:

Option 1
Cams 600
pulleys 200
l/t 600
midpipe 200
install 400?

total 2000
hp maybe 30 (2000/30 = $67 per hp)


Option 2 (start mad money account to hide money)
s/c kit 3900?
install 600?

total 4500
hp 100 (4500/100 = $45 per hp) plus you're 70hp ahead!!!:goodidea:

[SonofaBish]

Are you going s/c hence the selling of the cams? I'll probably be in the same boat in a few months. Here's how it breaks down:

Option 1
Cams 600
pulleys 200
l/t 600
midpipe 200
install 400?

total 2000
hp maybe 30 (2000/30 = $67 per hp)


Option 2 (start mad money account to hide money)
s/c kit 3900?
install 600?

total 4500
hp 100 (4500/100 = $45 per hp) plus you're 70hp ahead!!!:goodidea:

I vote for option 1... seems like everybody and their brother goes with a centrifugal blower on newer GT's.... however, if you were to put a good ol' Eaton on it or something, then i'd change my mind

[Chris00GT]

Wow what is she putting down now? That is amazing. When I slap a blower on my car I might be making a trip across the state.

She's still 531rwhp and 463rwtq. When I'm done playing with my 91, I'm going to have the engine forged and maybe step up to a T trim.

[Troll]

VT, makes very nice N/A cams. On the blower side I like HP blower cams. VT stage 1 you can get away with stock valve springs. You could also get away with a stage 2 cam, but you will need valve springs. You really don't get into PTV clearance unless your a 96-98 with a PI head swap. Your also going to need a tune. The car will run, but it won't idle for crap. You can change the valve springs on the car, but your going to buy a special tool from OTC that like $150 to do it.

300rwhp is possible, but it's going to be expensive!! Ported heads, aftermarket intake manifold, cams, complete exhaust, and a good tune.

all right. Now you got me doing research. damn you guys anyway. I guess stage 2 is out of the question on a stock shortblock because they make all their power from 3000-6700 and we ain't going there. So, (if I even do this) Stage I it is. Chris on VT website it says I can use stock springs and stock computer with Stage I. In your experience is this true?

[rj79]

Troll you can use stock springs and stock computer with the stage I but you should get a tune to maximize the benefits of them and improve driveability. PM me if you want the cams. They are brand new in the box. I opened them to check them out but never got around to installing them. Now I really want to do a blower this time next year. It wouldn't make any sense installing them now.

[rj79]

She's still 531rwhp and 463rwtq. When I'm done playing with my 91, I'm going to have the engine forged and maybe step up to a T trim.

That's a serious credit to your tuning brother.:goodidea:

[Troll]

That's a serious credit to your tuning brother.:goodidea:

+1 on that 2 hps per cube at the wheels is just crazy on the stock bottom.

[somethingclever]

What's more important Fighter...going fast or being different?

going fast means blower (in a street modular mustang world)

being different means NA (in a street modular mustang world)

If you want to go fast...how much money do you have to spend? You're going about it in the wrong way IMO. Set a budget and work from there....not the other way around.

[rj79]

What's more important Fighter...going fast or being different?

going fast means blower (in a street modular mustang world)

being different means NA (in a street modular mustang world)

If you want to go fast...how much money do you have to spend? You're going about it in the wrong way IMO. Set a budget and work from there....not the other way around.

See I was going to go NA first and do h/c/i to be different, but now I've decided against it. Its cheaper in the long run just to get the blower. If I decide I still want more power there's always pulleys and forged short blocks available. On the other hand I know of a guy with the VT Stage 1s and full bolt ons who ran 12.8s with some weight reduction.

*Edit By the way your cobra is fast. lol

[Chris00GT]

Chris on VT website it says I can use stock springs and stock computer with Stage I. In your experience is this true?

Stock valve springs will be fine. From what I've seen, your going to need a tune to get the car to idle like stock. She will run ok without a tune, but it will be prone to stalling.

[rj79]

Are you going s/c hence the selling of the cams? I'll probably be in the same boat in a few months. Here's how it breaks down:

Option 1
Cams 600
pulleys 200
l/t 600
midpipe 200
install 400?

total 2000
hp maybe 30 (2000/30 = $67 per hp)


Option 2 (start mad money account to hide money)
s/c kit 3900?
install 600?

total 4500
hp 100 (4500/100 = $45 per hp) plus you're 70hp ahead!!!:goodidea:

I missed this post earlier. Yeah I've made up my mind that I'm going with a blower this time next year. If you are interested in the the cams just let me know. My original plan was pretty much the same as your option one just add in a 75mm tb/plenum combo.

[Troll]

We need some more modular 2V info on this board. Peeps are all hardcore 5.0 and 4V.

Anyway, looks as though I'll be picking up an '01 Mustang Gt from CST 03 (Roxy) in the near future.

My short-term goal is to reach the 99-04 advertised crank hp/tq at the wheels, so we're shooting for 260/300.

Car is a 5-speed. Power mods on car now are BBK cai and welded in Flowmaster 2-chamber mufflers. My plans for the immediate future are a catted mid-pipe, 75mm throttle body, upper plenum and mail-order tune from Modular Depot. Car does have 3.73 gears and needs speedo corrected. I figure I'll go with the tune now to correct for the gears, juice the timing and shoot for a 12.9 A/F. At this point, I'll go to Hybrids and dyno the damn thing (hopefully I can get this all done before we actually have a dyno day). If my A/F and/or power is way off, Ima go to SGS (? ex-Kaufmans) and get my tune tweaked.

I'll guess without the dyno tune, it'll put down 250hp/290tq and Dave Guy will have to coax the other ten out of it on the dyno. :goodidea:


I missed this post earlier. Yeah I've made up my mind that I'm going with a blower this time next year. If you are interested in the the cams just let me know. My original plan was pretty much the same as your option one just add in a 75mm tb/plenum combo.

RJ, yes the t/b and plenum are in my original "short-term" post before y'all starting stretching me into my "long-term" plans prematurely. :pinkthumb:

[Stangman701]

2V's do sound pretty bas ass w/ cams :goodidea: ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYoA3ZFx1H0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5EH9ikkxQY

And since we're getting ahead of ourselves, why not throw in one of the baddest 2V's :D ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tn40ItM4wk

[J-rod]

And since we're getting ahead of ourselves, why not throw in one of the baddest 2V's :D ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tn40ItM4wk


not a 2 valve....thats a pushrod 351 based motor. :laughing1:

this was discussed over on mw and someone knew the guy to confirm.

[Stangman701]

not a 2 valve....thats a pushrod 351 based motor. :laughing1:

this was discussed over on mw and someone knew the guy to confirm.

I dunno man, I'm pretty sure it's a 2V and it's the car they're talking about in this thread... http://www.modularfords.com/forums/mustang-gt/946-rwhp-2v-saleen-turbo-horsepower-tt-57429.html

[J-rod]

I dunno man, I'm pretty sure it's a 2V and it's the car they're talking about in this thread... http://www.modularfords.com/forums/mustang-gt/946-rwhp-2v-saleen-turbo-horsepower-tt-57429.html


i cant read that thread....and mw is full of bs so maybe someone was talking out their ass. :rofl:

[Troll]

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[PSUmustangGT]

I got a magnaflow catted tru-x pipe for sale... stainless.. on the for sale board.. "now accepting offers" :awsome:

[Troll]

going fast means blower (in a street modular mustang world)

being different means NA (in a street modular mustang world)
THREAD FROM THE DEAD.

I think I'll be different. Going back to the N/A plan.

Recap: Right now, car has:
steeda u/d pulleys
bbk cai (modified by me as a straight shot with 9" K&N filter and ghetto heat shield)
bbk 75mm t/b
bbk upper plenum
mac o/r pro-chamber (which might be for sale soon---fits any 96-04 2/4v 4.6)
stock cat-back with 40-series 2-chamber flowmasters welded in
3.73 gears / steeda tri-ax shifter
SCT XCAL II with a Modular Depot mail-order 93 tune

just ordered:

1 x 1996-2004 Mustang 4.6L GT High-Performance 1-5/8"Full-Length Headers (Ceramic) (BBK15410)

1 x ASC15 1996-2004 Mustang GT & Cobra Shorty Off-Road X-Pipe For BBK Full-Length Headers (BBK1635)

1 x 1999-2004 Mustang 4.6L GT 2V SOHC Stage 4 Camshafts for "PI" Heads (COMP102500) (xe262ah)
I'll probably get to SGS sooner or later for a dyno-tune. Hoping for 280-300 RWHP

Question: How much HP do the stock 19 lb injectors support? And, same for the MAS? What size is stock MAS on a 99-04 4.6?

[Chris00GT]

I dyno'ed 300rwhp N/A with my stock 19lb injectors and a Pro-M 80mm calibrated for 19's. Also don't for get to get some valve springs :awsome:

[Troll]

Also don't for get to get some valve springs
dammit, you told me stockers would be fine. and, Comp Cams website and every other forum says stock springs are fine with the 262. Motor only has 29,xxx miles. :rolleyes:

[PunisherStang]

from experience even though they say you dont need to upgrade valve springs you should anyways since you have it apart, then down the road you dont worry about any problems that might occur. i went with crower stg 2 an love em

[Rowleyxlt619]

nice to see someone doing some mods on a 2v motor, cams do sound awesome on the 2v motors, i'm putting a set in next year, duno who i'll have doing it yet, i have exhaust and intake bolt ons with 3.73s and slicks and a diablo sport tune and i went consistent 13.3s then down to 13.1s out of mine... good luck with your plans, would like to see how it comes out

[Jivepepper]

dammit, you told me stockers would be fine. and, Comp Cams website and every other forum says stock springs are fine with the 262. Motor only has 29,xxx miles. :rolleyes:


from experience even though they say you dont need to upgrade valve springs you should anyways since you have it apart, then down the road you dont worry about any problems that might occur. i went with crower stg 2 an love em

I know I shouldn't but I have been running my HP 292s cams for a year with the stock valve springs. With lots of trips to the track. I just dropped them in with the AFM cam retention tool.

[Troll]

nice to see someone doing some mods on a 2v motor, cams do sound awesome on the 2v motors, i'm putting a set in next year, duno who i'll have doing it yet, i have exhaust and intake bolt ons with 3.73s and slicks and a diablo sport tune and i went consistent 13.3s then down to 13.1s out of mine... good luck with your plans, would like to see how it comes out

I don't know if I'll ever go to the track. I just like to have somethig fairly fast to play around with on the weekends. I would like to get it dyno-tuned just to see what we can get out of it. I had it dyno'd with everything I listed EXCEPT the pulleys and it put down 239hp/274tq. This was down at Hybrid's before they took the dyno and closed up !!! I'm not real impressed with those numbers. I don't think Modular Depot's canned 93 tune is real aggessive.

[Rowleyxlt619]

I don't know if I'll ever go to the track. I just like to have somethig fairly fast to play around with on the weekends. I would like to get it dyno-tuned just to see what we can get out of it. I had it dyno'd with everything I listed EXCEPT the pulleys and it put down 239hp/274tq. This was down at Hybrid's before they took the dyno and closed up !!! I'm not real impressed with those numbers. I don't think Modular Depot's canned 93 tune is real aggessive.

damn 239hp/274tq seems little low even though the cars are rated at 260hp at the wheels and like what 15-20 percent is lost through the drive train making it down to 220 or so... hmm never had mine out on the dyno, never really interest me to see wat numbers i'm putting down though... yeah i just play around wit mine, go up to the track on tnt nights then take it out to car shows thats really wat i'm into... other then that i want to eventually cam and procharge my car and get a good tune done, and leave it be...

[Troll]

damn 239hp/274tq seems little low even though the cars are rated at 260hp at the wheels and like what 15-20 percent is lost through the drive train making it down to 220 or so... hmm never had mine out on the dyno, never really interest me to see wat numbers i'm putting down though... yeah i just play around wit mine, go up to the track on tnt nights then take it out to car shows thats really wat i'm into... other then that i want to eventually cam and procharge my car and get a good tune done, and leave it be...
If they're 220 at the wheels stock, I probably picked up 10hp on the intake side and 10hp on the exhaust side and none on the tune, IMHO.

I'm hoping for 10-15hp for the headers, 10-15hp for the cams and 10hp on the dyno-tune. That should put me at 280RWHP. :goodidea:

that's about the same as a bone-stock auto/LS1 that's a little bit hurt. yay !!! :sticktonge:

[Rowleyxlt619]

If they're 220 at the wheels stock, I probably picked up 10hp on the intake side and 10hp on the exhaust side and none on the tune, IMHO.

I'm hoping for 10-15hp for the headers, 10-15hp for the cams and 10hp on the dyno-tune. That should put me at 280RWHP. :goodidea:

that's about the same as a bone-stock auto/LS1 that's a little bit hurt. yay !!! :sticktonge:


yeah doing the cams put a set of long tubes, o/r x pipe, nice cat back system like mac or flowmaster or like you said there are flowmaster weld in 2 chambers or just keeping that... and that should free up a lot of ponies, i kno it did for me wen i put long tubes and o/r x pipe on mine... tune should work all the bugs out in the computer and should be putting sum nice numbers down on the dyno, you could probably get a ls1 on the street now, i kno im right wit my buddie that has a auto t/a ls1 and he got long tubes, o/r y and borla cat back along with the slp c.a.i and tuned from pcm 4-less and hes also running the same times on the quarter mile as i am in the low 13s...

[somethingclever]

100% rock stock my old 2000GT put down 230/275 @ kauffmans.

I agree troll....sounds like that tune is pretty canned.....you should be higher than that.....and you should also get the baddest 2v heads availabe while your at it! :goodidea:

[Troll]

the ole O1 will have the exact bits and pieces as this car except I don't know what cam he "found". he does mention at the end of the article that you could put a blower on top of this only replacing the factory pulleys so I'm guessing it's some type of stage "1" cam. 280-300RWHP looks do-able according to this set up with a proper tune. :yes:

I just looked at the pics again and he's using a "catted" mid-pipe with those longtubes. Mine will be o/r... :awsome:

http://www.alternativeauto.com/prodserv/2v-cam-package.html

[J-rod]

Good Luck!