Hellcat

[travj31]

WOW - Pretty impressive. Gotta love the HP Wars

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/707-horsepower-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-muscle-car-king-article-1.1852483

[PaxtonShelby]

8-speed automatic..... Puh-leeezzze...

[blackfive-o]

I clicked the link and all hell broke loose! Maybe just me but recommend don't click!

[speedracer]

4,439 lbs ... Brilliant

[scott5]

It will be available in 6 speed as well.. cruiser car yes, race car no.. wouldn't mind trading my 13 ram in and using it as a daily but as far as racing it eh.. tune and converter supposed to go mid 10s

[03 OW SVT]

Still a heavy pig. But a fast, heavy pig nonetheless.

[Silverhatch]

It goes fast, getting it to slow down with the weight will be the problem.

[mustang50lx]

I bet that car is 60K plus. Nice though.

[03 OW SVT]

I bet that car is 60K plus. Nice though.

I'm thinking $65+

[Silverhatch]

I'm thinking $65+
Ha! Im guessing SuperSnake pricing. Closer towards $100k.

[03 OW SVT]

Ha! Im guessing SuperSnake pricing. Closer towards $100k.

However much it is it's way more then I'd pay for a new Mopar. Even if I had $. Lol

[scott5]

Rumor mill is starting at 55k but I'm guessing around 65k. It's going to be priced close to the gt500/zl1 since that's the target market and it's competition..

[Cam99]

end thread :)

[Slow01GT]

Low 11's at around 122-125 on stock tires and 10's with a good tire under it is what I've heard. Not bad for a tank

[scott5]

All speculation.. 275 all seasons aren't going to hook well

[John4cam]

All speculation.. 275 all seasons aren't going to hook well

Agreed. Car and driver will muster a 16.30 on street tires.

[gmkillr]

I bet the average guy goes 11.9-12.1 in this car and the fastest stock ones will go 11.6-11.8

Most of the previous ones ive seen at the track are running 13's so to gain 2 seconds in the 1/4 is a lifetime and I will gaurentee it wont happen. This car will not run 10's or even close stock.

[scott5]

Rumor mill is going crazy as some srt engineers have mentioned car went 10.90s-10.98s 5 times back to back. Was seeing this info on a couple lx/mopar sites I'm on

[Martin0660]

I know there was a pair of them at Milan testing. The only thing released from that test was burnout videos. If we actually do hear results from testing there, I would call it "real" since that place is great for traction, but sure not a mineshaft air track like MIR / Cecil / Etc.

[scott5]

http://www.modernmoparmagazine.com/wp/2014/07/11/srt-hellcat-challenger-runs-11-2-w-factory-tires-10-8-w-drag-radials/

It's official.. c6z territory at over 1k lbs more

[travj31]

as i stated in my initial post... fatcat or not, very impressive IMO

[PaxtonShelby]

Have to admit that's pretty impressive.

[Pure Stock]

24635

[phillysrt4]

4,439 lbs ... Brilliant

Yep, which is why even with 707 horse the best they could get out of it on street tires was an 11.2 at 125.

[phillysrt4]

end thread :)

lost the cat :(

[phillysrt4]

Agreed. Car and driver will muster a 16.30 on street tires.

Car and Ricer wont even get it down the track because they'll be too busy complaining how much the interior sucks compared to Honda, Toyota, VW, insert-import-of-your-choice-here.

[John4cam]

Car and Ricer wont even get it down the track because they'll be too busy complaining how much the interior sucks compared to Honda, Toyota, VW, insert-import-of-your-choice-here.

Seems it always ends up being real world times...unless even smith drives for them.

[scott5]

Yep, which is why even with 707 horse the best they could get out of it on street tires was an 11.2 at 125.

And I can't wait for someone like jolbert to buy one and gut it down to 3500 and go low 9s with stock everything else. You have to give it props especially when the gt500 weighs 800 lbs less and only 40hp less but best it did was 11.6s at 126/127.. intake/exhaust/tune and tire I bet this thing goes 9s.

And yes I am eating my words saying it was gna be slow considering its weight and the performance of the 6.4 srt8.. SRT engineers stated the other day that by 2016 they will have a stock production car go 9s off showroom floor.

[PaxtonShelby]

Wow - I remember when a new stock GNX was king... Makes you wonder just how far our current muscle car era will go...

[Pure Stock]

Seems it always ends up being real world times...unless even smith drives for them.

Who in the hell is even smith???

[phillysrt4]

Wow - I remember when a new stock GNX was king... Makes you wonder just how far our current muscle car era will go...

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

[scorpio333]

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

Likely true for gasoline powered engines. According to my buddy who works for BMW that ugly little i3 is the fastest BMW to 40MPH, taking his word I know next to nothing about them. Give them (manufacturers in general) a couple yrs to apply that technology to heavier, larger cars. Perhaps by 2020 an electric/electric assist or whatever you want to call it producing 300HP could be equivalent to a 700HP gasoline engine. Only time will tell. At least we got to experience the gas engines before they all went away.

[scott5]

New Porsche and McLaren are hybrids and produce close to 1k hp

[phillysrt4]

This is exactly my point. Everyone is trying to cram as much power into their flagship cars as they can before CAFE guidelines make it impossible.

[Silverhatch]

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

Change out the dates with 1972 and 1978 and this is what they said years ago.

[phillysrt4]

There's a difference between the 70's and today's issue of meeting targets. From 1974 to 1978 (and beyond) performance actually suffered as auto makers tried to meet both emissions and fuel efficiency standards- something that was never mandated before. In today's fleet, the reverse is happening in that auto makers are trying to push more and more out of the cars.

Second, we've enjoyed a 20 year hiatus in the CAFE requirements as they remained unchanged from 1991 to 2011. That is now going to increase again. Sure a fleet average can be manipulated but you can only produce so many fiestas and focuses so that your fleet average stays high enough to have a Shelby or a GT. There's more to Ford reintroducing an "svo-esque" model of the mustang for 2015 with a 2.0l ecoboost than nostalgia. They have no choice so that the fuel efficiency for their "large footprint" cars stays within CAFE guidelines so they can keep selling Shelby's and GT's.

Do you think its any coincidence that the fiesta ST with its 1 liter ecoboost is here?

They can manipulate the numbers game with their fleets in order to continue to offer musclecars, but I have serious doubts of them being able to meet the 2020 CAFE standard of 36mpg for "large footprint" cars, much less the 2025 standards. I could be wrong, and I seriously hope I am, but I have doubts.

[John4cam]

Who in the hell is even smith???

Oh God.

[mustang50lx]

I think direct injection and Turbo's will get plenty of power as well as meeting fuel economy requirements in the future. Direct gasoline injection is basically just getting started. Who know what can be achieved with that technology. We (The USA) always find a way to get to get the job done. How many would have dreamed of 600 plus horsepower wars in 1980? Let alone 600 plus horsepower that gets better gas mileage and is many times cleaner running that your 1980 Malibu. I know growing up in the early 80's I never thought any car would have any HP all. And then EECIV and the Fox body changed all that. :veryhappy:

[Silverhatch]

How many would have dreamed of 600 plus horsepower wars in 1980? Let alone 600 plus horsepower that gets better gas mileage and is many times cleaner running that your 1980 Malibu. I know growing up in the early 80's I never thought any car would have any HP all. And then EECIV and the Fox body changed all that. :veryhappy:
This was my point.

[SK360]

Pricing leaked.

$59,900.

Hell of a car for that money.

[scott5]

Damn! Calling today to see how many my dealership is getting.

[03 OW SVT]

Damn, they'd best be building several thousand. That is a great price for all that horsepower.

[scott5]

Who wants to buy a c5z? Lol

[phillysrt4]

Pricing leaked.

$59,900.


link or :bsflag:

No way based on Dodge's cracksmokin' pricing they would put it less than 70k bare minimum.

However, if that is true, its about time that they offer something without cracked out pricing.

[scott5]

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/07/16/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-price-speed-revealed/

This is the new best bang for the buck performance car made hands down.

[scott5]

link or :bsflag:

No way based on Dodge's cracksmokin' pricing they would put it less than 70k bare minimum.

However, if that is true, its about time that they offer something without cracked out pricing.

Idk about all that. There trucks are very reasonable priced

[torqueboxer]

......but, it's a dodge...........

[Martin0660]

http://blogs.hotrod.com/dodge-announces-hellcat-challenger-pricing-its-not-what-you-guessed-128243.html?sm_id=social_20140716_27943096#axzz37Y diKKwP

[Wolfpack Speed]

......but, it's a dodge...........x9987598728954629784

[Mark Aubele]

......but, it's a dodge...........

I resent that remark. When you need that Denali towed give me a call....

[travj31]

The pricing of this car really has my wheels turning... I have been chasing a pretty badass and sought after 60s era muscle car for the last five years or so and the guy is finally willing to accept a reasonable offer and I finally have the cash flow to make it happen, but this is making me really sit back and think about what I want to do.

I never imagined a day where I could go to an American car manufacture and get a 700+ hp rocket off the showroom floor... Still very pricey IMO but somewhat doable with a little sacrifice.

[scott5]

Depends on what you want the car for.

[phillysrt4]

I have to admit the price is pretty amazing... about 15k or so lower than what I expected based on the dreamland Dodge lives in lately.

[af_one]

Actually, Dodge got it right--707 HP for $59,900
$38,900 for the 6.4 RT Scat Pack, 485 HP
Look out Ford, Looks like Dodge takes the lead

[somethingclever]

The pricing of this car really has my wheels turning... I have been chasing a pretty badass and sought after 60s era muscle car for the last five years or so and the guy is finally willing to accept a reasonable offer and I finally have the cash flow to make it happen, but this is making me really sit back and think about what I want to do.

I never imagined a day where I could go to an American car manufacture and get a 700+ hp rocket off the showroom floor... Still very pricey IMO but somewhat doable with a little sacrifice.

U couldn't build a 60's era muscle car with those amenities and that power for 60k.

[PaxtonShelby]

There was a late model 7 liter Plum Crazy Challenger convertible at the PVGP Walnut Street show on Monday night. It was pretty badass. I might have to get my wife a Challenger one day - she loves them. My buddy has a Saleen Challenger with a Kenne Bell on it and it is a gorgeous car. I'm sure they are a lot of fun in a straight line. Handling will be so-so if the earlier SRT-8's are any indication. But highway comfort is definitely better than what the Mustang and Camaro offer. Like was said...it all depends on what you want.

[scott5]

Comparing to a 60s car. Me knowing you, you would like the 60s car more but that's just cuz I know your personality and we been friends a long time trav. But if I didn't know you I say..

60s is something to buy that goes to car shows and keep miles low and mods down. Buy it original and keep it original and it will only go up in value (assuming it's a sought after car which by saying you finally saved up enough money for it, it is one of those cars). It will have that wow factor from everyone.

Hellcat will be the car you can drive everyday and not worry about value. They will sell enough of them for them not to be rare. If you want a warranty and still have power to go 10s and drive everyday then boom. No warranty, tune/intake/exhaust tires go low 10s high 9s while still driving around in comfort everyday.

To me the hellcat is a perfect dd/weekend car. If they give me good enough trade in on my new ram i just bought then I will probably buy one as a dd. Still don't think it will be drag racing awesome due to weight and price. Because the whole buy less and mod more comes into the game then which I give all props to the 2011 mustang gt

[travj31]

U couldn't build a 60's era muscle car with those amenities and that power for 60k.

Very true... but I'm not an amenities kind of guy. Hell I think my 96 S10 with power steering/brakes and an aftermarket cd player is cutting edge technology! haha


Comparing to a 60s car. Me knowing you, you would like the 60s car more but that's just cuz I know your personality and we been friends a long time trav. But if I didn't know you I say..

60s is something to buy that goes to car shows and keep miles low and mods down. Buy it original and keep it original and it will only go up in value (assuming it's a sought after car which by saying you finally saved up enough money for it, it is one of those cars). It will have that wow factor from everyone.

Hellcat will be the car you can drive everyday and not worry about value. They will sell enough of them for them not to be rare. If you want a warranty and still have power to go 10s and drive everyday then boom. No warranty, tune/intake/exhaust tires go low 10s high 9s while still driving around in comfort everyday.

To me the hellcat is a perfect dd/weekend car. If they give me good enough trade in on my new ram i just bought then I will probably buy one as a dd. Still don't think it will be drag racing awesome due to weight and price. Because the whole buy less and mod more comes into the game then which I give all props to the 2011 mustang gt

Yeah... neither car would ever come close to seeing DD seat time for me. Hellcat would probably see a little more miles than the other, but still would be very limited. With having a couple other toys to play around with, either car would probably see under 2500 miles per summer.


Actually, Dodge got it right--707 HP for $59,900
$38,900 for the 6.4 RT Scat Pack, 485 HP
Look out Ford, Looks like Dodge takes the lead

Kind of have to agree with this... be curious to see what Ford and Chevy have up their sleeve in the next 2-3 years. I've heard some rumors about a new BOSS 429 designed more for drag racing (not to be confused with the CobraJet) any truth behind this?

[scott5]

Svt is releasing a 750hp cobra as there next car but price tag over 70k
They also have the gt350 coming out that I am excited for

[phillysrt4]

^^^ too bad I just cant get into the 2015 styling :(

[Terminated]

The new GT350R looks sweet!

[phillysrt4]

^^^ link to stats?

[Darren]

http://blog.americanmuscle.com/video-of-the-s550-mustang-gt350-lapping-nurburgring/

just watch the first video

[phillysrt4]

read the article too...


They also say that Ford is done competing in the ultra-high horsepower arena recently decimated by the Challenger Hellcat. For this to be true, that means we won’t be seeing anymore of the Trinity motor found under the hood of the current 2013-2014 Shelby GT500.


You gotta be kidding me? Ford is giving up?

[Mark Aubele]

Not sure how that is giving up. Seems more like they are giving us a direct competitor to the Z/28, which will absolutely embarrass a GT500 on a road course. Plus, I just don't see Ford not offering another straight line missile like the GT500 at some point.

[travj31]

This is why I asked about the "new" Boss 429 in one of my earlier posts... this car is supposed to be the straight line car - solid rear axle, pretty big hp, weight reduction, etc.


Not sure how that is giving up. Seems more like they are giving us a direct competitor to the Z/28, which will absolutely embarrass a GT500 on a road course. Plus, I just don't see Ford not offering another straight line missile like the GT500 at some point.

[scott5]

Svt released already that the 2016 gt500 will have 750hp

[Terminated]

That would be awesome to have that selection: track warrior or dragstrip monster. I would be in for the one that turns, only it'll be 5 yrs after the fact when they come down from astronomical prices.

[1320goat]

Svt released already that the 2016 gt500 will have 750hp
If they go turbo I'm buying one.

Sent from my HTC One_M8

[scott5]

They didn't say what will power it. Just that it will have 750

[GOT SVT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWMjR3r-nsI

[Stangman701]

I'm not a big mopar fan, but that thing does seem pretty cool

[PaxtonShelby]

Yeah - that's one hell of a car. Have to hand it to the Dodge boys.

[scott5]

If it ain't hell cat it ain't shit

[travj31]

you put your order in yet scott???

[PaxtonShelby]

Anyone hear what the 6-speed manual runs yet? All I have heard about is the 8-speed auto...11.2 on street tires and 10.8 on slicks.

[scott5]

you put your order in yet scott???

I actually went and talked to the dealer I bought both my rams from and got a relative number. Going to wait till I move up to NC and see what they can do with me there. Price is going to be mid 60ish. Still debating whether I wanna go that way or get an exotic yet.

[SteelTownStang]

American muscle, what's not to like (rhetorical)?

[John4cam]

pretty cool car for sure. I've seen Jay get more pumped driving other vehicles though..

[PaxtonShelby]

I think Jay hates the auto just on principle.

[John4cam]

I think Jay hates the auto just on principle.


Yeah, he kinda looked heart broken when he said it was an auto.

[scott5]

If I decide to get one mine will be auto for sale. Shifting is overrated

[Dan B.]

If I decide to get one mine will be auto for sale. Shifting is overrated

You must be drinking from the same cup as Cam.....

[Martin0660]

You must be drinking from the same cup as Cam.....

Two girls, one cup? Yikes

[Terminated]

I'd be happy with never owning another vehicle with an Automatic.

[phillysrt4]

with the paddle shifting DCT coming for the '15 stangs, I MIGHT be talked into it, but I want to see reviews of the system before I'd do an auto.

[Cam99]

hmmm, have you noticed that most vehicles in the performance world have been going with auto transmission. Wonder why that is..:sticktonge:

[PaxtonShelby]

...cuz people are lazy and don't know how to drive fast and turn at the same time?

[Cam99]

...cuz people are lazy and don't know how to drive fast and turn at the same time?

could be that, or could be they are faster than their manual counterparts :yes:

[scott5]

Show me some low 4 sec stick cars and I'll switch back. Fastest tt coyote went from a 9.6 6speed to a 8.1 testing in a powerglide.. manuals are just an excuse for being slow. Exactly why most exotics are paddle shift autos

[Darren]

Most exotics are paddle shift autos for this mere fact..

imagine missing a shift or downshifting in the wrong gear in 700 HP Lambo :yikes:

at 8500 RPM

[phillysrt4]

hmmm, have you noticed that most vehicles in the performance world have been going with auto transmission. Wonder why that is..:sticktonge:

cause they're catering to old farts who complain how they don't like shifting in their ZL1^H^H^H car because of joint pain? :hide:

[scott5]

Funny because the fastest and best handling race cars in the world have paddle shifters in a semi auto tranny.

[scott5]

No, it's because they are targeting the crowd that's going to buy the car and what's it's made for going down the track as quick as possible.

. How many bolt on 6speed coyotes at full weight go 10s?

[phillysrt4]

My comment is an inside joke between cam and I. I like the idea of a paddle shift DCT

[PaxtonShelby]

Let's not confuse the hellcat with the best handling cars in the world. I guess I'm just old-school. I don't see the appeal of a fast car that is just as fast no matter who is behind the wheel - be it a pro-racer or a 16 year old cheerleader who just got her learner's permit.

Technology isn't always the way to go. There is a reason MLB doesn't use aluminum bats and the PGA doesn't allow square grooves. It allows the better athletes to shine and keeps thing competitive.

[scott5]

How is technology not the way to go? Technology put us where we are today. And I wasn't talking about the hellcat built for turns I was speaking about automatic transmissions.

Face facts, drag racing is an easy sport for 95% of america. what makes it hard is the money you have to spend if you wanna go fast. And guess what if you wanna go fast an auto will get it done better and cheaper. So if you wanna go fast and don't have much money, an auto should be in your budget. I know of someone who swears up and down about stick cars who is know going to an auto because he knows it will be cheaper and faster and hold more power. Fastest roll race cars are also autos. it's just the name of the game.

[gpfarrell]

Autos are boring.

That's all.

i drive for enjoyment. Going fast is more enjoyable, but going fastest just isn't that important to me when a computer does it. I'd rather participate more in driving... automatics make as much sense to me (in an enthusiast's car) as a chaeufer driven Porsche 911.

[scott5]

Didn't know f1 cars are boring?

And fast is in the eye of the beholder. Because my race car was Alot more fun than my Procharged c5z because it just feels slow.

So a 5 speed fiat 500 is more exciting and fun than an auto coyote car?

[John4cam]

I think it is more impressive to be consistent with a manual vs being fast because like mentioned before the auto can't out shifted in a straight line. Which seems to be the purpose of this particular car...

[gpfarrell]

Didn't know f1 cars are boring?

And fast is in the eye of the beholder. Because my race car was Alot more fun than my Procharged c5z because it just feels slow.

So a 5 speed fiat 500 is more exciting and fun than an auto coyote car?


ive never seen an entire F1 race in my life because they bore me.

Fast is in the eye of the beholder. If I had to feed my family by winning races, I'd want a new Porsche with a PDK for road racing. But I drive for fun and shifting a 3-pedal car is great fun for me.

Not sure about a Fiat 500, but my little 197 hp Fiesta ST with the mandatory 6-speed stick is more fun for me than an automatic anything.

Your mileage may vary as fast & fun are in the eye of the title holder.

[travj31]

ill take an auto or manual hellcat... i just want one.

[scott5]

Lol.. note to self fiesta st more fun than a Ferrari 458italia

[John4cam]

Lmao

[1320goat]

An old perverted man once asked me " Why did you get the manual? You can't fool around with your girlfriend while driving." Something to consider.

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[travj31]

I think every type of vehicle is a little different...

DD's - Auto, Just overall an easy ride, especially if you eat while you drive or do alot of stop and go driving (DD' a manual for about 12 years, will never go back to one unless I have to)

Street/Strip - Manual (And I'm not talking about a BIG HP sub 10 second rocket either. Just a regular guy with a bolt-on fox body, coyote, corvette, camaro, etc.

Road Course / Hill Climb / Autocross - Manual

Old School Hot Rods - Auto if you plan on beating on it AT ALL - Stick if you want to live on the edge! Too much stuff to break, weaker frames, harder to control

Big HP Drag/Street - Auto

Exotics / Upper end Detroit - Depends on how you'll use it. I personally rather have stick car, but can completely understand how/why you'd want the auto or paddle shift

Tow Vehicle - I prefer autos, but I can see the advantages of sticks

[scott5]

An old perverted man once asked me " Why did you get the manual? You can't fool around with your girlfriend while driving." Something to consider.

Sent from my HTC One_M8

Lmfao hahahaha

[PaxtonShelby]

I think fooling around with the wife/GF/both while driving is more dangerous than texting while driving. Pull over somewhere and give it your full attention!

[scott5]

I think fooling around with the wife/GF/both while driving is more dangerous than texting while driving. Pull over somewhere and give it your full attention!

You need some driving lessons then BOY

[PaxtonShelby]

Kids...

[scott5]

Lol..

[gpfarrell]

Lol.. note to self fiesta st more fun than a Ferrari 458italia

You don't have to take my word for it, see what these guys said:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/17/top-gear-uk-car-year-award-winners-fiesta-st/


http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top-gear-magazine-awards-winners-2013-12-04

[scorpio333]

And now a Charger Hellcat…yawn

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140813/OEM04/140819968/dodge-drops-707-hp-supercharged-hellcat-engine-into-2015-charger-srt

[travj31]

id almost rather have the charger... talk about a sleeper to a non car person.

[PaxtonShelby]

Can the Charger fit more tire under the car?

[gpfarrell]

Can the Charger fit more tire under the car?

And more importantly, can I get it with 3 pedals? :)