EM's GT-R Refresh

[ERR0RMACR0]

Hey, guys,

I'm really liking the local forum and thought I would put together a thread for my car. It's currently receiving a round of upgrades for the transmission, and will be back in my hands next week if all goes to plan. Before that, I'll list my build out before the most recent round of upgrades:

Factory block 3.8 (9:1 compression)
Carillo Pro H-Beam Rods with Carr Bolts
CP Pistons
GT1R Harmonic Damper
Ultimate Street Manifold (USM) Turbos with Forged Actuators
Custom Ported Upper and Lower Manifold
SBD 3" Intakes
GFB Adjustable Blow-Off Valves
Custom Front Mount Intercooler
SBD Catless Downpipes
Custom Catless Midpipe with integrated 3 1/2" electronically controlled dump
Fore Innovations Fuel Controller
Fore Innovations Triple Pump Hangar (Triple Pump for future upgrade, currently only using two)
Twin Walbro 465 Pumps
ID2000cc Injectors
Flex Fuel Kit
Speed Density Conversion
EcuTek Tuning Software
7 Plate Clutch Upgrade

That was the build from last year. I encountered some problems though--basically, the car made more power than we were planning for and as a result, my transmission had a difficult time managing the power. First, there was the issue of potentially blowing apart 1st gear or the output shaft. Second, the clutches weren't able to fully handle the power, so lots of slipping occurred throughout pulls. The build was finished in late April, and we really didn't get everything dialed in on e85 for maximum power until early summer, so the transmission issue wasn't fully found until then. With that, I decided to run as best I could and wait to re-pull the transmission this winter.

The transmission was sent back out for another round of upgrades after an inevitable 1st gear failure during a launch. The upgrades are:
Billet PPG 1st Gear and Output Shaft
Billet Clutch Baskets - A (even gears) and B (odd gears)
9 Plate Clutch Upgrade
FWD Unit Modified and Converted to a Zero Pre-Load Unit (this basically allows me to electronically switch the car to RWD whenever I would like)

The transmission made it's way back to the car today and initial testing is promising. The car has been turned down for clutch break-in, but I'm optimistic that no more slipping will occur. I should have the car back next week sometime, so it can sit in my garage and wait for this damn snow to melt LOL. Below are some pics of the build and parts.

Teardown:
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Not Good - Frozen Wrist Pin:
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Rebuild:
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Random Pics of the car:
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[ERR0RMACR0]

More pics:
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I'll also be changing the look of the car this year--I've had the black and bronze wheel combo for a couple of years now and would like something new. Still not 100% decided, but I'll post up some pics once I pick a new color for the car and wheels.

[SK360]

<3 this ride, can't wait to see it reborn.

It did ok for slipping clutches ;)

http://youtu.be/GsKKcG5ct5A

[Cam99]

sweet build, thanks for sharing

[venom]

Awesome build

[phillysrt4]

You know, for the longest time I never understood the mystique of the GTR. A buddy of mine was practically nutting over it for almost 2 years before it came out. After seeing the GTR threads, builds and videos here I understand the allure completely now.

The build is awesome and love the teardown pics!

[GOT SVT]

impressive so far and looking forward to more in this thread

glad you found the site and enjoy it :2thumbs:

[PaxtonShelby]

Can't wait to see that beast on the road. Those cars are really something in stock form, and yours seems to be several big steps beyond that!

[Slow01GT]

Can't wait to see it run this year.

[thedak]

Holler

[John4cam]

I'm ready to see this beast go down the track again this year!

[Tom]

I hope you remember where all those parts go!

Looks good, I can't wait to see it running after this round of mods.

How do you have the gopro mounted on the front?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Thanks a lot, guys! On the Go-Pro question, I'm using the suction cup mount and my front bumper has a flat surface below the grill area where it attaches nicely. We're already planning the next phase of upgrades which will be a heads, cam, and overall valve train upgrade. For now, I'm just excited to get back to the track and see what I can do with better holding clutches!

[thedak]

Who pulled the tranny ?

How difficult is it ?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Who pulled the tranny ?

How difficult is it ?

It's been dropped twice now--the first time at Weapon's Grade Performance, the second time by TPG. On difficulty, I've seen the process and with a well equipped shop and lift, I'd say it's fairly easy for them.

[somethingclever]

Who is rebuilding the engine?

How much power was it making?

Could you hear the frozen wrist pin making noise?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Who is rebuilding the engine?

How much power was it making?

Could you hear the frozen wrist pin making noise?

Sorry, my post may not have been clear on this--the engine was already rebuilt. The engine rebuild was handled by Weapon's Grade Performance in Wallingford, CT. The frozen wrist pin had no signs really. Before the engine was rebuilt it was making somewhere in the neighborhood of 600-650whp. The tolerances in the factory engine are just so damn tight--it's well engineered, but once you start going outside of factory power levels, those tight tolerances turn from good to bad.

The engine was being rebuilt as a precaution, but found two frozen wrist pins on cylinders 4 and 6 during the teardown. Many guys run the factory engine and many other components way further into higher HP than I do. Some of them get away with it, while others have suffered catastrophic failures. My build is actually kind of overkill for my power level--I just hate worrying about things, so I build it for Armageddon that way it doesn't break a sweat at the power level I'm at. Plus I drive the piss out of my cars lol

[thedak]

Mine sits in a warm garage and I rub down the wrist pins every night

[ERR0RMACR0]

Mine sits in a warm garage and I rub down the wrist pins every night
:z7shysterical:

[ERR0RMACR0]

On a side note, the Nissan sub-forum is really bumpin...we have two threads now :)

[Ares]

Is this the GTR that broke trying to launch at PRP end of last season?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Is this the GTR that broke trying to launch at PRP end of last season?

Yep, 1st gear broke on launch. I think it was middle of October.

[gmkillr]

I only have 2 questions for you..........

1. Why are there NO ventshades on the car?

2. Who painted the car?

[Tom]

2. Who painted the car?
We all know who does a great job on GTRs.

[cwh19]

It's been dropped twice now--the first time at Weapon's Grade Performance, the second time by TPG. On difficulty, I've seen the process and with a well equipped shop and lift, I'd say it's fairly easy for them.

How has TPG been during the process? There's a lot of nice, fast stuff that has come out of there, but I have also seen equally bad. Just curious as to your experience so far.

[somethingclever]

Sorry, my post may not have been clear on this--the engine was already rebuilt. The engine rebuild was handled by Weapon's Grade Performance in Wallingford, CT. The frozen wrist pin had no signs really. Before the engine was rebuilt it was making somewhere in the neighborhood of 600-650whp. The tolerances in the factory engine are just so damn tight--it's well engineered, but once you start going outside of factory power levels, those tight tolerances turn from good to bad.

The engine was being rebuilt as a precaution, but found two frozen wrist pins on cylinders 4 and 6 during the teardown. Many guys run the factory engine and many other components way further into higher HP than I do. Some of them get away with it, while others have suffered catastrophic failures. My build is actually kind of overkill for my power level--I just hate worrying about things, so I build it for Armageddon that way it doesn't break a sweat at the power level I'm at. Plus I drive the piss out of my cars lol


Ahh..yes i didn't pickup that the engine was rebuilt first.


So since the biggest part of going fast is dollars - i have to ask:

So how much does it cost to get a GTR engine pulled, rebuilt, and reinstalled these days?

Did they do any head work aside from the camshafts?

If so, I will guess 14k?

[RUTHLESS]

Wow those engine blocks have some meat to them. I can't wait to see it all back together and making some runs.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Ahh..yes i didn't pickup that the engine was rebuilt first.


So since the biggest part of going fast is dollars - i have to ask:

So how much does it cost to get a GTR engine pulled, rebuilt, and reinstalled these days?

Did they do any head work aside from the camshafts?

If so, I will guess 14k?

Assuming your block and crankshaft are good, a no heads engine rebuild runs between 8-10k. Heads adds 4-6k. That's all in with R&R. Great guess--you're pretty much spot on for a rebuild with head work.

My car is currently running factory heads and cams. That's the next phase for me, I'm really considering getting it done sooner than later, but I'd like to enjoy the car for a bit. If the weather is looking nasty for a couple of weeks, I may pull the trigger though--why can't I just leave shit alone lol.

[somethingclever]

thanks for sharing...people tend to never share how much things cost or what they have in a rebuild/build....like it's taboo or something.

[JeffreyCole]

Assuming your block and crankshaft are good, a no heads engine rebuild runs between 8-10k. Heads adds 4-6k. That's all in with R&R. Great guess--you're pretty much spot on for a rebuild with head work.

My car is currently running factory heads and cams. That's the next phase for me, I'm really considering getting it done sooner than later, but I'd like to enjoy the car for a bit. If the weather is looking nasty for a couple of weeks, I may pull the trigger though--why can't I just leave shit alone lol.

Holy CRAP.

The GTR tax is ridiculous.

[sutyak]

Wow those engine blocks have some meat to them.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Massive potential there.

[ERR0RMACR0]

How has TPG been during the process? There's a lot of nice, fast stuff that has come out of there, but I have also seen equally bad. Just curious as to your experience so far.

They were pretty much top notch with everything. Their role in the build was quite limited, but their work has definitely inspired confidence. I wouldn't hesitate to take my car back there.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Holy CRAP.

The GTR tax is ridiculous.

GT-R tax + Labor is mainly what drives up the costs on engine and trans rebuilds.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Some more info on my car:

In stock form, it ran a best of 10.79 @ 127 (this is still currently the world's fastest and quickest stock GT-R run). Factory boost is 13psi.

Adding a midpipe and tune to the car, it ran a 10.59 @ 129. Boost was increased to 18psi (it bleeds off to around 14psi or so at redline) on 93 octane.

Adding downpipes, intakes, 1000cc injectors, drop in pumps, and tuned on e85, it ran a 10.19 @ 134.

Last year, on the build mentioned above, it went 9.52 @ 149. I've run it on pump gas, but it wasn't really optimized, it goes high 9s in the low 140s.

DA for these runs ranged from 900-1400+.

[JeffreyCole]

GT-R tax + Labor is mainly what drives up the costs on engine and trans rebuilds.

The best available built manual trans for a dsm (PPG dogbox) runs about 7500.

Gtr trans builds get up into the mid 20's...

Thats a HUGE price difference. I understand the technology is nowhere near the same, but 300%

I guess when the car costs 100k+ just to get in the door, that is to be expected, but damn.

[thedak]

The 3.8 is a nightmare of parts held together with silicone.

[RUTHLESS]

Assuming your block and crankshaft are good, a no heads engine rebuild runs between 8-10k. Heads adds 4-6k. That's all in with R&R. Great guess--you're pretty much spot on for a rebuild with head work.

My car is currently running factory heads and cams. That's the next phase for me, I'm really considering getting it done sooner than later, but I'd like to enjoy the car for a bit. If the weather is looking nasty for a couple of weeks, I may pull the trigger though--why can't I just leave shit alone lol.

I would just get the work done while its apart. That's what I did and how the fox body engine got so out of control. Everything seems to snowball and a large part of the rebuild cost is labor with engine builds.

[Tom]

The best available built manual trans for a dsm (PPG dogbox) runs about 7500.

Gtr trans builds get up into the mid 20's...

Thats a HUGE price difference. I understand the technology is nowhere near the same, but 300%

I guess when the car costs 100k+ just to get in the door, that is to be expected, but damn.

Because supercar


I would just get the work done while its apart. That's what I did and how the fox body engine got so out of control. Everything seems to snowball and a large part of the rebuild cost is labor with engine builds.

I'm in the middle of the same thing now, thats why i just decided to put the biggest, baddest trans available in my car now instead of later.

[Ares]

Yep, 1st gear broke on launch. I think it was middle of October.

I remember that. Sitting in lanes and heard crunch...

Thought to my self that is not good.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Video from my car being tuned--it's a little rich LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzeq-iaFZpQ

[Tom]

That was unexpected, yet very satisfying!

[thedak]

Love it

[PaxtonShelby]

That was unexpected, yet very satisfying!

That's what she said...

[RUTHLESS]

That's what she said...
As long as she doesn't shoot flames out her exhaust while she says it. Lol

[ERR0RMACR0]

That's what she said...

:z7shysterical:

[ERR0RMACR0]

Car is back in my garage. Ran a tank of 93 through to just ease it back in to operation. Back on ethanol now, but the winter blend in PA sucks--it's like e70 at best :(

Even with that, I did some quick test pulls and my g meter seems to indicate that my car is faster. This is hardly conclusive testing, just a casual observation, but I'm optimistic that the slipping clutches are no more and that it was significant enough to affect performance.

Last year, on my old clutches, I had to run extra pressure to create stronger clamping force with the clutches and still experienced a lot of slip. With the new clutches, we are running factory pressure levels and the slipping appears to have been eliminated! This is very exciting as running factory settings on the trans will minimize the potential of blowing seals in the transmission from the raised pressure levels.

I also had my car's look re-done...it's out there, and pretty funny :) I love it. The weather has been crappy, so I only have a few pics--I'll post some up once we get a nice day and I can grab some nicer pics.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Wait, found a guy that grabbed some pics that day--here's the links:

https://instagram.com/p/0QxV1BGY50/?taken-by=fouronetwophotography

https://instagram.com/p/0Sny9AmYys/?taken-by=fouronetwophotography

[GOT SVT]

AWESOME :2thumbs:

[GOT SVT]

more pics at 304dips

https://instagram.com/304dips/

[thedak]

Shit is crazy

[John4cam]

officially my favorite sounding v6.

[Terminated]

Sounds good! Would love to see a flyby video.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Thanks, guys!

[SK360]

Humm... flyby video filming tonight? LOL.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Humm... flyby video filming tonight? LOL.

Let's do this LOL

[SK360]

Let's do this LOL

Tis a date.

[Tom]

Welcome to the world of plastidip!

[ERR0RMACR0]

Welcome to the world of plastidip!

Thanks! I feel like my cleaning routine just got WAY easier hahaha. Gloss black to flat dip, I'm so happy to not have to deal with that anymore.

[Tom]

Its addictive, you'll probably change colors every year now lol... Just don't let me mix the color or you'll end up with pink.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Its addictive, you'll probably change colors every year now lol... Just don't let me mix the color or you'll end up with pink.

You saw the pictures, right? :rotflol:

I think dip almost always turns out a shade of pink LOL

Mine is like a purple pink though

[Tom]

You saw the pictures, right? :rotflol:

I think dip almost always turns out a shade of pink LOL

Mine is like a purple pink though

Not as pink as mine.

dipyourcar.com has some good stuff for cleaning it, and some people on the forum use a spray wax on it that is suppose to look nice.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Not as pink as mine.

dipyourcar.com has some good stuff for cleaning it, and some people on the forum use a spray wax on it that is suppose to look nice.


I can definitely see me changing up the color yearly now. It's really nice to protect the original paint job while being able to change colors.

[JeffreyCole]

How much did you pay for the dip job down there? I know what it costs for us to do it, and we are by no means pros yet, but its really not that hard to spray that stuff.

[SK360]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pClIBaxfxM

Best we got before running out of light

[ERR0RMACR0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pClIBaxfxM

Best we got before running out of light

Ah, it was nice to be out with the cars. Now we just need for it to last longer and also be a comfortable temperature. Looking forward to the season :)

[SK360]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/17/0df92d7c94f32e2f82fff69e3b52dd69.jpg

Little chilly out but f it

[bgblockelcamino]

that dip is nuts lol. couldn't stop staring at it when you had it here lol

[John4cam]

Awesome vid. Like preseason.

[venom]

Jesus. That thing just shits and gits.

[Dan B.]

Gay.......

[ERR0RMACR0]

Gay.......

I like the honesty :rofl:

[PaxtonShelby]

Wow that dip looks fantastic!

[Dan B.]

I like the honesty :rofl:

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

[phillysrt4]

please tell me this is coming to the track rental! :)

[SK360]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/17/50fc168c3a08098ec70723d59817d8ad.jpg

[ERR0RMACR0]

please tell me this is coming to the track rental! :)

Yes, sir--I'll be there!

[zxgto06]

Looks like whoever sprayed that did a great job..just not sure about the pink and purple!?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Looks like whoever sprayed that did a great job..just not sure about the pink and purple!?

I'm genuinely surprised that as many people like it as there is. It was actually supposed to be like a blue/green flip to yellow. Where the pink purple came from I have no idea LOL.

Though, in all honesty, the longer I have it and look at it in different light, the more I'm happy it turned out the way that it did. It's interesting to me, but taste in car looks is a very subjective thing.

[zxgto06]

I'm genuinely surprised that as many people like it as there is. It was actually supposed to be like a blue/green flip to yellow. Where the pink purple came from I have no idea LOL.

Though, in all honesty, the longer I have it and look at it in different light, the more I'm happy it turned out the way that it did. It's interesting to me, but taste in car looks is a very subjective thing.

Regardless of color that is a badass car. Love the performance mods you have done, and good luck with it!

[ERR0RMACR0]

Regardless of color that is a badass car. Love the performance mods you have done, and good luck with it!

Thanks, man--much appreciated :)

[thedak]

Way too cold to out.

F cruising

[ERR0RMACR0]

Dipyourcar.com featured my car today on social media--kind of surprised given how weird the color is lol

[thedak]

Sweet

[GOT SVT]

Dipyourcar.com featured my car today on social media--kind of surprised given how weird the color is lol

that's cool

you weren't kidding when you said it looks pink :rotflol:

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy112/GOTSVT/Mustang%20Stuff/pinkgtr_zpscuble6ip.jpg (http://s783.photobucket.com/user/GOTSVT/media/Mustang%20Stuff/pinkgtr_zpscuble6ip.jpg.html)

[thedak]

Hmmm

[thedak]

I might dip the cougar

[JeffreyCole]

Tom has the equipment for a dip job, it is at my house.

We can do this :hyper:

[Tom]

I might dip the cougar

you're not supposed to dip people...

[ERR0RMACR0]

that's cool

you weren't kidding when you said it looks pink :rotflol:

:rotflol:

[Troll]

That's f*cking cool!

I always thought the difference between pink and purple was... wait... wait... wait... the grip. :lmao:

[gmkillr]

Dave @ Twilight Auto did a great job as usual on this car!

[ERR0RMACR0]

Dave @ Twilight Auto did a great job as usual on this car!

The funny thing is, the guy that sprayed my car his name was Dave, so I always thought of him as Dave at Twilight LOL

[gmkillr]

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[ERR0RMACR0]

Hitting a dynojet tomorrow for new numbers! Let's see what this thing can make :)

[Tom]

Hitting a dynojet tomorrow for new numbers! Let's see what this thing can make :)

results?

[PaxtonShelby]

My guess...155 RWHP per wheel.

[ERR0RMACR0]

827rwhp on e65 lol. Ran a tank of 93, plus it still being crappy winter blend for e85 made for the unfortunate e65 situation.

[Tom]

That's still pretty impressive.

[SK360]

Pulling videos from my gopro now

[PaxtonShelby]

I thought it had 6 wheels...

What a beast that thing is!

[SK360]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swn3UfPcalY


Will post the graph once I get the run files from Ron.

[zxgto06]

Damn that thing sounds awesome!! Great numbers too!

[ERR0RMACR0]

We're digging into the log files now--the car was extremely happy/safe today, didn't even break a sweat. I'll take it back once I have some better ethanol in it. The ignition timing, boost, etc. were all gimped by the e65. After talking it over with my tuner, we think the original dynocom numbers were close (900+). I'll update again once I run it again.

[RedRocketVette]

Whoa. That's a monster!

[thedak]

Very Nice.

I'm still logging and tuning out on 22 and the Pike.

This fuel does blow.

I'm up to E52 in the tank as of right now.... :sad-smiley-047:

[SK360]

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[RUTHLESS]

Very strong car! Looks like it might be time for me to give up on 93 pump gas and join the dark side in one way or another. Oh and hurry up so I can decide if I want to upgrade the pistons in the engine. Jk lol

[JeffreyCole]

New goals?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TtJbA27_jo

[RUTHLESS]

^ Wow was that car moving!

[JeffreyCole]

^ Wow was that car moving!

I've seen it in person too. It is CLEAN. Not some hacked up pile.

[Tom]

You need one of these:
http://i.imgur.com/TqTI2cfl.jpg

[ERR0RMACR0]

Very Nice.

I'm still logging and tuning out on 22 and the Pike.

This fuel does blow.

I'm up to E52 in the tank as of right now.... :sad-smiley-047:

Thanks! Yeah, f this winter blend crap--I feel your pain :(


Very strong car! Looks like it might be time for me to give up on 93 pump gas and join the dark side in one way or another. Oh and hurry up so I can decide if I want to upgrade the pistons in the engine. Jk lol

Haha, come to the dark side where you can push your car way too hard and it still doesn't knock :rotflol:


New goals?

Yeah, when that got posted I was kind of in shock. I really thought Omega was going to be the first to crack bottom half of 7s. ETS' car is always impressive though--god damn crazy lol.

[phillysrt4]

Seeing vids like that make me wish we had E85 :(

[thedak]

Smells so good and no soot on the rear bumper cover

[SlowSix]

damn, your car moves. That color is pretty cool too

[SK360]

Rode in this car before for some highway pulls but being in it today and doing some 1-3 WOT pulls, this shit is frighteningly quick on the street. lol.

[TBone7281]

Sweet car, awesome build. I'm really digging seeing GT-Rs on the boards now. (And other cars too.)

[thedak]

F this car.

I have a full tank of shit ass PA E50, roads covered in filth, rain, snow or traffic.

Im out.

Look for it on Craig's.

[Tom]

F this car.

I have a full tank of shit ass PA E50, roads covered in filth, rain, snow or traffic.

Im out.

Look for it on Craig's.


Are you mixxing the e85 and 93? The lowest its supposed to ever be is E70 according to the pumps. I may have made a mistake switching my setup to e85...

[ERR0RMACR0]

F this car.

I have a full tank of shit ass PA E50, roads covered in filth, rain, snow or traffic.

Im out.

Look for it on Craig's.

I'm up to e71 lol. The next time they get their tanks filled, it should be volatility level 2, which hopefully is in the upper 70s. No level 1 until May in southern PA :(

[ERR0RMACR0]

Are you mixxing the e85 and 93? The lowest its supposed to ever be is E70 according to the pumps. I may have made a mistake switching my setup to e85...

Straight from the pump, mine was reading e67. Dak's will likely go up in ethanol content once he runs a tank or two through to get that nasty pump gas out of there lol

Welcome to the ethanol team. Your engine, turbos, etc. thank you for your coorperation :)

[Tom]

Straight from the pump, mine was reading e67. Dak's will likely go up in ethanol content once he runs a tank or two through to get that nasty pump gas out of there lol

Welcome to the ethanol team. Your engine, turbos, etc. thank you for your coorperation :)


The v6 turbo ethanol club!

I would be ok with e67, my car isn't as smart as a gtr and would run way to rich on e50.

My plan is to have it run e70 a little bit rich, so that when it gets into e85 it will lean out.

[Tom]

Summer Blend: Class 1 (min 79% ethanol)
Spring/Fall Blend: Class 2 (min 74% ethanol)
Winter Blend: Class 3 (min 70% ethanol)

Lake Arthur is around 41 deg. latitude.

http://i.imgur.com/6JeTUeQ.png

[Dan B.]

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[ERR0RMACR0]

Summer Blend: Class 1 (min 79% ethanol)
Spring/Fall Blend: Class 2 (min 74% ethanol)
Winter Blend: Class 3 (min 70% ethanol)

Lake Arthur is around 41 deg. latitude.

http://i.imgur.com/6JeTUeQ.png

Luckily, we're south of 41, so we get to keep blend 1 for an extra month :)

Thanks for posting this, I'm sure the non-ethanol crowd was wondering what the hell I was talking about lol

[Tom]

Luckily, we're south of 41, so we get to keep blend 1 for an extra month :)

Thanks for posting this, I'm sure the non-ethanol crowd was wondering what the hell I was talking about lol

PA is looking out for SCMC

I never realized that there were different blends until I started looking into it for my car.

[pwtmxracing]

Straight from the pump, mine was reading e67. Dak's will likely go up in ethanol content once he runs a tank or two through to get that nasty pump gas out of there lol

Welcome to the ethanol team. Your engine, turbos, etc. thank you for your coorperation :)
How do you test your fuel? Just curious thanks

[ERR0RMACR0]

How do you test your fuel? Just curious thanks

Most flex fuel kits for our platform run the GM flex fuel sensor and a digital display is installed in the battery compartment. When filling up, I check my oil, and then the gauge with the primary pump priming (return style fuel system) to see the ethanol content.

[pwtmxracing]

that's some hi tech shit right there. I just have a quick fuel e85 tester...

[JeffreyCole]

Most flex fuel kits for our platform run the GM flex fuel sensor and a digital display is installed in the battery compartment. When filling up, I check my oil, and then the gauge with the primary pump priming (return style fuel system) to see the ethanol content.

I am assuming your tune automatically corrects for the ethanol percentage in the fuel?

[RUTHLESS]

Good lord I am just going to pick up a drum of fuel when push it that far. I cant be constantly messing with tunes and crap. I just wana go fast!

[JeffreyCole]

Good lord I am just going to pick up a drum of fuel when push it that far. I cant be constantly messing with tunes and crap. I just wana go fast!

Some of the flex fuel stuff (even the one I can get for my dinosaur) have the capability of being TRUELY flex fuel, and will adjust the tune accordingly. I assume the GTR's flex fuel stuff does this, but am not certain.

[pwtmxracing]

My car got a carb all I do is check that crap before I fill my cans and away I go.

[ERR0RMACR0]

I am assuming your tune automatically corrects for the ethanol percentage in the fuel?

That is correct. The tune automatically adjusts several parameters depending on the % of ethanol currently being run.

[RUTHLESS]

I am just going to let you guys play with this stuff.


https://youtu.be/8DZhLjwsWVY

[pwtmxracing]

I am just going to let you guys play with this stuff.


https://youtu.be/8DZhLjwsWVY

Sweet I'm sticking to my shitty glass tube to measure mine..

[ERR0RMACR0]

I am just going to let you guys play with this stuff.


https://youtu.be/8DZhLjwsWVY

Wow, really interesting--thanks for sharing. There's an assumption baked in that whatever is not gasoline must be ethanol rather than measuring the ethanol and assuming what is not is gasoline.

Hm, interesting tid bit, but I don't think it really changes the outcome by it being the inverse, right? If there's water in it, whether you measure the ethanol or the gasoline, there an assumption that the other product is the opposite.

With test tubes, would it tell you that there is water?

[pwtmxracing]

With the test tube you use water to check it.There is a fill line for water then you add fuel to a certain line and the water will separate from the fuel and it has marks from 70% to 100% and where ever that line of separation is is what percentage the fuel is ethanol.

[ERR0RMACR0]

With the test tube you use water to check it.There is a fill line for water then you add fuel to a certain line and the water will separate from the fuel and it has marks from 70% to 100% and where ever that line of separation is is what percentage the fuel is ethanol.

Thank you for the explanation. So water separates from the fuel, however, how do you tell the difference between gas content and ethanol? Sorry if I missed something.

[pwtmxracing]

Thank you for the explanation. So water separates from the fuel, however, how do you tell the difference between gas content and ethanol? Sorry if I missed something.
That's a good question.

[Seer]

Thank you for the explanation. So water separates from the fuel, however, how do you tell the difference between gas content and ethanol? Sorry if I missed something.

you don't, you use the tester to check the ethanol content of what is in the pump.

[ERR0RMACR0]

you don't, you use the tester to check the ethanol content of what is in the pump.

So, basically it's susceptible to the same issue as the "ethanol" (actually gas) sensor?

[Seer]

All it is, is a graded tube, that tests ethanol content from the pump. You fill the water to the water fill line, then the rest with "E85" when it separates it tells you what real percentage of ethanol is coming from the pump. If it's E85, it'll show 85%

[SlowSix]

My car will just make whatever it makes on pump and I'm calling it a day. That is if I ever build a motor atleast.

Plus the closest e85 station to me is I believe 35-40 minutes

[gmkillr]

My car will just make whatever it makes on pump and I'm calling it a day. That is if I ever build a motor atleast.

Plus the closest e85 station to me is I believe 35-40 minutes

Im with you bro, E85 is way to scarce around these parts and it seems as if there's always worries of various grades, etc...thus the reason why I ruled it out awhile back. I can think of easier and more dependable ways of picking up 25-35 RWHP.

[thedak]

Im with you bro, E85 is way to scarce around these parts and it seems as if there's always worries of various grades, etc...thus the reason why I ruled it out awhile back.

I can think of easier and more dependable ways of picking up 25-35 RWHP.


25-35rwhp.

such a cute little yellow car.....

:love_heart:

[gmkillr]

25-35rwhp.

such a cute little yellow car.....

:love_heart:

Yep, thats about what the average NA car picks up......what does the average boosted car pickup....40-50 rwhp?

[JeffreyCole]

I've seen gains in the 100+ whp range in a turbo car.

[SK360]

Im with you bro, E85 is way to scarce around these parts and it seems as if there's always worries of various grades, etc...thus the reason why I ruled it out awhile back. I can think of easier and more dependable ways of picking up 25-35 RWHP.

DSteck flex fuel sensor and a tune. Put E85 in when you can/on the way to the track and never worry about it.

[gmkillr]

I've seen gains in the 100+ whp range in a turbo car.

Adding boost then yes I can see that but fuel/tune only the gains won't be nearly that high. Adding fuel/tune/boost then absolutely.

[gmkillr]

DSteck flex fuel sensor and a tune. Put E85 in when you can/on the way to the track and never worry about it.

I've looked into it....yes $500 for the Dsteck setup and $150 for new fuel pump....and $800-1000 for injectors and probably $300-400 for fuel pump install as I've heard it's a huge pita to change then you got it.

I've already got ID1000 injectors so no worry there for me but I'd still need the fuel pump...install and the flex fuel setup and then a re-tune. If there were more E85 stations around and the fuel seemed more stable I'd probably go for it as I'm all about picking up extra power.

[JeffreyCole]

Adding boost then yes I can see that but fuel/tune only the gains won't be nearly that high. Adding fuel/tune/boost then absolutely.

I think that's kinda the point though lol.

E85 greatly increases the knock threshold, so you lean it out to 12.5:1 (gas scale wideband), add 10 lbs of boost, and 6 degrees ignition timing.

Leaner, more boost, more aggressive timing, just like switching from pump to c16.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Yeah, e85 is mostly about running more boost. You pick up power in a bunch of different ways (as Jeff pointed out), but primarily boost is the key.

My setup is approximately a 100hp pickup on e85. I just think of it this way:

A lot of guys run octane boosters, or find 110 or whatever, this is the same thing for my car. Except my race gas is $2 a gallon lol. If there weren't 3 e85 stations within 15-20 minutes of my house, I'd just order a barrel and run it when at the track rather than all of the time.

[thedak]

They are placed perfect around the city for me.

One by my house, one on way to work, one on way out east and one up north.

Debating on taking the car to work today.

Sure is chilly.


BTW,

Walmart has Lucas Ethanol Treatment on the cheap.

Basically $2 a fill up to add.

Grabbing a case of it after work tomorrow.

http://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safeguard-ethanol-fuel-conditioner-with-stabilizers

[ERR0RMACR0]

They are placed perfect around the city for me.

One by my house, one on way to work, one on way out east and one up north.

Debating on taking the car to work today.

Sure is chilly.


BTW,

Walmart has Lucas Ethanol Treatment on the cheap.

Basically $2 a fill up to add.

Grabbing a case of it after work tomorrow.

http://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safeguard-ethanol-fuel-conditioner-with-stabilizers

I bought a case from Amazon a couple weeks ago for around $100. 24 5oz bottles. 5oz. treats 25gallons, but I usually just use the whole 5oz. on a fillup (19 gallons). How much is the case from Walmart?

[thedak]

With tax around $98ish

[thedak]

Hmmmm...

Case of the 12oz bottles is only $76 a case on Amazon.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Hmmmm...

Case of the 12oz bottles is only $76 a case on Amazon.

I think it's a 12 case of 16oz. that you are looking at.

That's quite a deal, that works out to 192oz. total for $76

I paid $100 for 126oz. total. Then again, I pretty much bought the 5oz. case, so that I didn't have to measure or anything at the pump. Looks like I'm paying nearly double (my case is $0.76 per oz. while your case is $0.40 per oz.) for convenience...ugh, what's done is done I guess lol.

[Dan B.]

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[Tom]

Im going from 21psi on 93 to hopefully 30psi on e85 (with new heads, bigger turbo), I better pick up more than 50whp or I'm going to put it on craiglist with thedak.

[SK360]

Package deal?

[SlowSix]

Im going from 21psi on 93 to hopefully 30psi on e85 (with new heads, bigger turbo), I better pick up more than 50whp or I'm going to put it on craiglist with thedak.

30 psi? sweet jesus

[JeffreyCole]

Im going from 21psi on 93 to hopefully 30psi on e85 (with new heads, bigger turbo), I better pick up more than 50whp or I'm going to put it on craiglist with thedak.

Im going to guess a solid 250WHP, as long as you have the injector for it.

[JeffreyCole]

30 psi? sweet jesus

30 PSI is childs play on some of these turbo cars. I run 21 ish on a 25 spike on 93 now.

Im hoping to hit close to 30 on pump gas on the new turbo, but the knock sensor determines that.

[ERR0RMACR0]

My kill tune is 30psi on e85. I run around 23psi or so on 93 to keep it safe.

[Tom]

Im going to guess a solid 250WHP, as long as you have the injector for it.

6 1300ccs :cool3:

I would be ok with 800whp, It's not err0rmacr0s level, but it should have plenty of passing power.

[JeffreyCole]

1300's should be good for that 800whp level @ 80% duty cycle, on e85.

Just a tick over 1K whp @ 100%

[Tom]

I'm guessing its going to be closer to 700 because of the 25% drivetrain loss my new trans provides lol.

[ERR0RMACR0]

6 1300ccs :cool3:

I would be ok with 800whp, It's not err0rmacr0s level, but it should have plenty of passing power.

My build isn't that far off. I probably make around 900whp, but my car also weighs over 4k lbs with me in it. If your car has 800whp, I think you'll run high 8s at mid to high 150s.

[JeffreyCole]

My build isn't that far off. I probably make around 900whp, but my car also weighs over 4k lbs with me in it. If your car has 800whp, I think you'll run high 8s at mid to high 150s.

I think Tom will have a brown under-roo's moment, and lift, well before 150mph.

85MPH speedo FTW.

[PaxtonShelby]

I think Tom will have a brown under-roo's moment, and lift, well before 150mph.

85MPH speedo FTW.

Lol!

[Tom]

I think Tom will have a brown under-roo's moment, and lift, well before 150mph.

85MPH speedo FTW.

Anything over 85 feels the same lol...

150mph in the quarter would turn it into an 1/8th mile car in a hurry...

[Tom]

My build isn't that far off. I probably make around 900whp, but my car also weighs over 4k lbs with me in it. If your car has 800whp, I think you'll run high 8s at mid to high 150s.

My guess is a mid to high 9 at ~142. At least thats my goal anyway.

It's ~3100 lbs with me in it, and its about as aerodynamic as a dumptruck going in reverse with the back open... It ran 132mph at 550whp.

[JeffreyCole]

My guess is a mid to high 9 at ~142. At least thats my goal anyway.

It's ~3100 lbs with me in it, and its about as aerodynamic as a dumptruck going in reverse with the back open... It ran 132mph at 550whp.
Best description of aero ever.

[ERR0RMACR0]

My guess is a mid to high 9 at ~142. At least thats my goal anyway.

It's ~3100 lbs with me in it, and its about as aerodynamic as a dumptruck going in reverse with the back open... It ran 132mph at 550whp.

Wow, that's really surprising. Do you think it's mostly down to the aero?

[Tom]

Wow, that's really surprising. Do you think it's mostly down to the aero?

Its hard to tell whats going to happen, the fastest setup like mine blows through the converter on the top and traps at 142. I like to set my goals low!

My original goal was to build an 11 second fiero, lol.

[cwh19]

My original goal was to build....................................


Everyone's famous last words.

[thedak]

Going down to 17 tonight.

Sheetz says they are switching the corn pump to E33 till July.

F PA

[cwh19]

F PA

qft.

[Dewayne]

My guess is a mid to high 9 at ~142. At least thats my goal anyway.

It's ~3100 lbs with me in it, and its about as aerodynamic as a dumptruck going in reverse with the back open... It ran 132mph at 550whp.

I thought the 132 involved you hard on the brakes?

[Tom]

I thought the 132 involved you hard on the brakes?
I let off, I didn't hit the brakes until after the quarter though.

edit: maybe I did hit the brakes, I got a huge adrenaline rush so I don't remember when I hit them.

[Dewayne]

I let off, I didn't hit the brakes until after the quarter though.

edit: maybe I did hit the brakes, I got a huge adrenaline rush so I don't remember when I hit them.

I think there may have been a 9 in that car before. Just needed to find that one sweet pass.....

[Tom]

Going down to 17 tonight.

Sheetz says they are switching the corn pump to E33 till July.

F PA

They are going to stop processing it and just sell kernals of corn.

[ERR0RMACR0]

I took the car out today just to let it run for a bit and bring it up to temp. Checked fuel trims, blah blah blah.

I don't know if it's just I haven't driven it in a while or what, but it was pulling like a freight train. I anxiously await my first pass at the track--I really want to officially crack off a 150 trap. Very happy with how this thing has turned out :)

[thedak]

F this Weather. Mine is covered back up.

Ordered more parts to put on it since driving a nice car in Western PA is impossible.

[ERR0RMACR0]

F this Weather. Mine is covered back up.

Ordered more parts to put on it since driving a nice car in Western PA is impossible.

I see IC added to your sig! Nice pick up. Full piping kit or just tial adapters on stock piping?

[thedak]

Cool these little turbos hot air... haha


Group Buy for it. Killer price. Had to get in on it.

The SBD Street Intercooler, Full Black Textured Piping and Tial Flanges.

[thedak]

Which is basically Got Boost's piping and Boost Logic's Intercooler..... lol

[ERR0RMACR0]

Which is basically Got Boost's piping and Boost Logic's Intercooler..... lol

LOL

That group buy on GT-R life...I could use the piping, I may need to call chris now

[thedak]

Ask him to join the SBD Facebook Page.

You'll see it

[MrAudia]

You know I love this thread...and now fear the mustache! lmao

Nice seeing you on Saturday!

[ERR0RMACR0]

You know I love this thread...and now fear the mustache! lmao

Nice seeing you on Saturday!

LOL, it was great seeing see guys as well! We now have 3 GT-Rs on the site!

[SK360]

Telling you, Matts costume is already decided for my Halloween party.

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[thedak]

FYI

EcuTek now has Double Downshift and Upshift capabilities of the GR6.

Email you tuner.

Ben is going to send me the tranny tune once I get him back E60+ logs

[ERR0RMACR0]

My tuner is working on the TCM file now, I was really excited when I first saw that double shift stuff--so nice. So, I had a small leak in my flex fuel setup. Took my car to 1st Try and Jeff took care of it right away. Huge thumbs up for getting my car safe again for this weekend, Jeff :)

[ERR0RMACR0]

Side note: Nick, we need another thread in the Nissan section, it's lonely in here LOL

Plus I just want to read about your build more haha

[thedak]

Up at the firewall ?

Christ

What happened ?

Anything I should look for ?

[thedak]

Side note: Nick, we need another thread in the Nissan section, it's lonely in here LOL

Plus I just want to read about your build more haha

:iagree:

[ERR0RMACR0]

Up at the firewall ?

Christ

What happened ?

Anything I should look for ?

Yep, right at the return lines. Luckily it was on the return side so it wasn't a huge deal. Um, it looks like my fitting just was a little loose, it's difficult to describe. I'd just take a shop towel and wipe all around those AN fitting and smell it to be sure you don't have a leak. It was a very slow leak, but easily noticeable if you looked closely.

[thedak]

Copy that.

I'll check the fuel damper and fittings area to be safe..

The new new Visconti kits don't have to reuse the OEM damper for some reason.

There is no core charge now.

[Terminated]

My tuner is working on the TCM file now, I was really excited when I first saw that double shift stuff--so nice. So, I had a small leak in my flex fuel setup. Took my car to 1st Try and Jeff took care of it right away. Huge thumbs up for getting my car safe again for this weekend, Jeff :)

Jeff is the man, one of the only people I trust working on my vehicles. Have given him quite a bit of business over the past few years.

[Tom]

My tuner is working on the TCM file now, I was really excited when I first saw that double shift stuff--so nice.

What is the double shift stuff? The GTR's computer appears to be quite awesome.

[ERR0RMACR0]

What is the double shift stuff? The GTR's computer appears to be quite awesome.

It's just a nice little tweak for drivability--basically if you double tap and upshift or downshift it just shift two gears quickly.

Went to the track today--was not a good outing :(

Did get to test out Boost On The Line (BOTL), which worked pretty well, but traction was a problem for me. Also having some tuning issues, but I think the low ethanol content is likely playing a large role. Thinking of ordering some fuel to keep so that I'm not at the mercy of the pump during the early and late months where it's most inconsistent. In a month it won't matter, but it would be nice to have some consistency in the mean time.

[thedak]

What's happening ?

I was happy with my E61 Pulls and logs today.

lol


Ive tuned for E10 - E32 - E50 - E61.

Ben wants logs for E70 and E85+ and its all done.

Said after that the car can adjust itself to any combination.

[ERR0RMACR0]

What's happening ?

I was happy with my E61 Pulls and logs today.

lol


Ive tuned for E10 - E32 - E50 - E61.

Ben wants logs for E70 and E85+ and its all done.

Said after that the car can adjust itself to any combination.

Yeah, we didn't spend much time tuning the flex fuel piece--it's pulling timing early and it decays throughout the run. On a good note, trans didn't break a sweat and I was launching it hard lol

[thedak]

Interesting.....

Jacks FTW

[thedak]

http://youtu.be/QD4mAO8Z9vk


I'll leave this right here for the 5.0 guys....

[thedak]

:cool:

[John4cam]

Id bet the mustang has twice the money invested as the Nissan.........not.

[Seer]

It's just a nice little tweak for drivability--basically if you double tap and upshift or downshift it just shift two gears quickly.

Went to the track today--was not a good outing :(

Did get to test out Boost On The Line (BOTL), which worked pretty well, but traction was a problem for me. Also having some tuning issues, but I think the low ethanol content is likely playing a large role. Thinking of ordering some fuel to keep so that I'm not at the mercy of the pump during the early and late months where it's most inconsistent. In a month it won't matter, but it would be nice to have some consistency in the mean time.

As we discussed earlier in the year I think it's time you go with something stickier than the nt05r.

[MrAudia]

Sounded good, Matt. What were your issues that made it not a good outing? Could you see traction breaking through your gears or just off the line? How was the track prep?

Man, I'm jealous you had an opportunity to get out!

[thedak]

Set of axles as well.


:pinkthumb:

[ERR0RMACR0]

Sounded good, Matt. What were your issues that made it not a good outing? Could you see traction breaking through your gears or just off the line? How was the track prep?

Man, I'm jealous you had an opportunity to get out!

We're mostly confused by the logs and my trap speed--I think another trip to the dyno is in order to try and figure out where I stop making power vs. boost. I think I may have been making too much yesterday and it was just hot air that wasn't helping.

[thedak]

Matt

You need any of my "old" New Version 1 Lines ?

I got the upgraded set up in the mail today.


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[thedak]

From the thread that got locked...

You know what happens if the ethanol sensor goes tits up ?

Nothing. The car goes into limp mode.

God Bless

[thedak]

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[thedak]

Bracket is very nice.

The new lines are much shorter and way tidier.

OEM Return Dampener isn't needed either which is nice.

Less prone to leaking.

[ERR0RMACR0]

Matt

You need any of my "old" New Version 1 Lines ?

I got the upgraded set up in the mail today.


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thanks for the offer, but Jeff's solution is working great! Not sure what WGP will do this winter though, maybe they'll just leave it haha

[RUTHLESS]

From the thread that got locked...

You know what happens if the ethanol sensor goes tits up ?

Nothing. The car goes into limp mode.

God Bless

Just like a video game, hit the power button to reset. :thmbsup:

[ERR0RMACR0]

Just like a video game, hit the power button to reset. :thmbsup:

lmao

[thedak]

thanks for the offer, but Jeff's solution is working great! Not sure what WGP will do this winter though, maybe they'll just leave it haha


10-4

Just asking before I toss them in the classfieds

[SK360]

AutoX was fun in this bitch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7AWuPDojQ

[ERR0RMACR0]

AutoX was awesome--always have fun there. Thanks for posting the video, that particularly run was funny lol

[Dan B.]

I'd get lost.........

[SK360]

I'd get lost.........

ERR0R's significant other brought her Focus ST up for her very first AutoX and had no issues. Once you walk the course once or twice it is easy.

[Mark Aubele]

Damn feel like I missed all the fun...

[ERR0RMACR0]

Been a long time since I posted--work has been hectic and I broke some stuff that needed to be fixed. Picking up the car today, so I'll be back around for meet ups, cruises, racing, whatever.

So the last time I went to the autox, I did a soft launch and heard something snap--pulled the car off to the side and found the Front Driveshaft had broken. There's a bracket between the front diff and the FWD unit in the trans at the rear of the car, so in theory, if I removed the broken piece from the front diff side and put the car in RWD only, it should have been fine. That worked for a couple miles, but then I started hearing another sound, so I called for a flat bed.

In the end, I had the trans dropped again and sent for inspection. I had a blown seal on the A side (even gears), bent my output shaft in the trans, and snapped the front driveshaft. Seal has been replaced, I upgraded to a beefier output shaft in the trans, upgraded to a beefier front driveshaft, and had them loosen the FWD unit so that the car send a little less power to the front to hopefully avoid this happening again.

Trans is back in Pittsburgh and is getting finished up today. Not sure, but I may head out to the track this Saturday, but I'm a bit nervous as I'd hate for the car to be down again. It should be fine, but you never know what can happen. Anyway, that's what was going on with my car the past month or so lol.

Hope to see some of you out and about :)

[JeffreyCole]

Norwalk on Aug 7/8/9 for the Shootout?

[ERR0RMACR0]

Norwalk on Aug 7/8/9 for the Shootout?

I always forget about the shootout! lol Yeah, I'll definitely try to make plans to go...thanks for the reminder

[JeffreyCole]

Forget?

I plan my summer around that shit. I haven't missed one since 06. The GTR's are starting to show up in decent numbers. Last year ETS took the ET record from AMS.

Both of them look to be showing up this year.