how hard to swap a 351

[J-rod]

well im currently looking at a 95 5.0. it has 203k on it but its one owner, 100% stock and no accidents.

i was wondering how hard to make it a 351? i know the deck and heads need milled right? what about motor mounts and tranny compatability?

still have enough rom to add a blower later on?


im only gonna consider getting it if the 351 swap isnt too hard (read too much customization and fab work)

[Sonic03snake]

Shouldn't be too hard. The 95 Cobra r had a 351W in it.

[J-rod]

Shouldn't be too hard. The 95 Cobra r had a 351W in it.


true....which is why i was wondering about k member, mounts, etc.


alot of people telling me to pass on this stang....but i dunno a 351 95 GT...be kinda cool. :pepper:

[Sonic03snake]

If I were to build another push rod motor car it would deff be a 351 base motor. No sence in going smaller, the parts cost about the same for either.

[J-rod]

If I were to build another push rod motor car it would deff be a 351 base motor. No sence in going smaller, the parts cost about the same for either.


MMFF had a "budget stroker kit" and it ran in the 700-800 range....i figure i could get a 351 short block done for about that.

[Rodeheaver's]

A windsor is pretty much the same as a 5.0 except for 1 inch of deck height, and no you dont have to mill or shave anything, all you need is a pan and headers, i have a new moroso pan i accidentally ordered for a customer i will give you a deal on...

[mikeymustang]

ask a member named OZNAP he JUST did a swap to his 95 making it a Cobra R....he is away on a work assignment so it might take a few days to get back to you

Mike

[J-rod]

well car i was gonna drop it into is sold...so may still ook for a cheap 94-95 5.0 as a project.

[Pure Stock]

some things needed for a 351W swap

* oil pan
* 351 specific headers
* distributor (height of deck)
* balancer and flywheel (stock 5-Liter is 50oz. imbalance)
* intake

[J-rod]

some things needed for a 351W swap

* oil pan
* 351 specific headers
* distributor (height of deck)
* balancer and flywheel (stock 5-Liter is 50oz. imbalance)
* intake


what kind of intake? regular 5.9 style intake no good? like GT40 or Cobra?

[Pure Stock]

what kind of intake? regular 5.9 style intake no good? like GT40 or Cobra?

You building a Mopar?? 5.9?? No, 5.0 lower will not work because the increased deck height requires the requisite intake to have more width. Now, you could use a 351 GT-40 lower and use an upper from a 5.0 GT-40.

[J-rod]

You building a Mopar?? 5.9?? No, 5.0 lower will not work because the increased deck height requires the requisite intake to have more width. Now, you could use a 351 GT-40 lower and use an upper from a 5.0 GT-40.


woops..meant 5.0. so id need a 351 lower and a 5.0 upper work? so would the intakes from a mid 90's Lightning work?

[Viper_ed]

so would the intakes from a mid 90's Lightning work?

Yes. No matter if it is a 5.0 or 5.7 EFI Intake, the Uppers are the same for both. The width of lower is the only difference between the 2.

[Killercanary]

some things needed for a 351W swap

* oil pan
* 351 specific headers
* distributor (height of deck)
* balancer and flywheel (stock 5-Liter is 50oz. imbalance)
* intake


Also, with a '94-'95 you will absolutely have to have a new hood. Some have tried and managed to get the stock hood to work using HP drop solid motor mounts, but its EXTREMELY close. You'd still have to notch the hood and remove the hood liner. The 95 "cobra R" hood will work. I'm not sure what you do about headers and EGR though since the 94-95's have a tube that runs from the header to the EGR valve which si located on the inlet adapter between the TB and upper intake. A lot of guys just delete it (I have too) but it requires EEC tuning to do so properly so that a CE light isn't triggered.

Get a 94-95, they're a great year to have! New looks with old school pushrod POWA!!!

[J-rod]

Also, with a '94-'95 you will absolutely have to have a new hood. Some have tried and managed to get the stock hood to work using HP drop solid motor mounts, but its EXTREMELY close. You'd still have to notch the hood and remove the hood liner. The 95 "cobra R" hood will work. I'm not sure what you do about headers and EGR though since the 94-95's have a tube that runs from the header to the EGR valve which si located on the inlet adapter between the TB and upper intake. A lot of guys just delete it (I have too) but it requires EEC tuning to do so properly so that a CE light isn't triggered.

Get a 94-95, they're a great year to have! New looks with old school pushrod POWA!!!


ive deleted EGR on all my stangs. always have the EEC flashed. ive seen a couple where they have milled heads and block to fit under stock hood....but ill just get a cowl or cobra R type. have something to back it up with. lol. im currently looking for a cheap 94-95 to have as my own project as i "think" ive finally got a garage lined up to work on it...but the car must be good enough for a DD too right now.

[Pure Stock]

Yes. No matter if it is a 5.0 or 5.7 EFI Intake, the Uppers are the same for both. The width of lower is the only difference between the 2.

What is a 5.7 liter ford? Destroked 351:yes:

[Pure Stock]

woops..meant 5.0. so id need a 351 lower and a 5.0 upper work? so would the intakes from a mid 90's Lightning work?

Yes a mid 90's Lightning lower intake would be the ticket. Then, you could use a Cobra upper, GT40 upper, OR another style upper that has the GT-40 port configuration.:goodidea:

[351SVT]

woops..meant 5.0. so id need a 351 lower and a 5.0 upper work? so would the intakes from a mid 90's Lightning work?

You could buy those all day long at www.nloc.net (http://www.nloc.net) gen1 classifieds!

[J-rod]

You could buy those all day long at www.nloc.net (http://www.nloc.net) gen1 classifieds!


looking there now...only gen 1 intake i see on first two pages is a GT-40 for $750

[Viper_ed]

looking there now...only gen 1 intake i see on first two pages is a GT-40 for $750

The GT-40 are WAYYYYYYYYY overpriced no matter where you look. Personally I would go buy the Trick Flow R Intake for less money brand new. The Trick Flow R lower out of the box will outflow even a fully ported & welded GT-40 lower.

[J-rod]

The GT-40 are WAYYYYYYYYY overpriced no matter where you look. Personally I would go buy the Trick Flow R Intake for less money brand new. The Trick Flow R lower out of the box will outflow even a fully ported & welded GT-40 lower.


yes but id need a 351 lower. which is why i thought lightnings. if i could find one id be 50% ready to build the motor.

[Viper_ed]

yes but id need a 351 lower. which is why i thought lightnings. if i could find one id be 50% ready to build the motor.

Trick Flow does offer their intakes with 351 Lowers. Or you could go with a EFI Truck 351 Lower which is basically the same as a Holley Systemax.

[J-rod]

Trick Flow does offer their intakes with 351 Lowers. Or you could go with a EFI Truck 351 Lower which is basically the same as a Holley Systemax.


forgive my ignorance....im ok with the trick flow.... but EFI....your meaning a stock truck 351 lower correct.

[Viper_ed]

forgive my ignorance....im ok with the trick flow.... but EFI....your meaning a stock truck 351 lower correct.

:yes:

[J-rod]

thanks man....im sill a bit of an engine noob, especially with pushrod V8.

[393rag]

yes but id need a 351 lower. which is why i thought lightnings. if i could find one id be 50% ready to build the motor.

I have an aluminum FI 351w lower intake from a truck for sale, and an oil pan for a fox swap. You can have both for $100

[J-rod]

I have an aluminum FI 351w lower intake from a truck for sale, and an oil pan for a fox swap. You can have both for $100


i wouldnt need the pan...my swap would be into a 94-95

[393rag]

i wouldnt need the pan...my swap would be into a 94-95


I'm 99% sure the pan will still work on a 94-95. The k member is the same as the fox cars. I have some other misc. 351w stuff as well. If you need anything let me know, I may have it.

[J-rod]

I'm 99% sure the pan will still work on a 94-95. The k member is the same as the fox cars. I have some other misc. 351w stuff as well. If you need anything let me know, I may have it.


cool...your from uniontown pa? not far from me...ill be in touch. :goodidea:

[393rag]

cool...your from uniontown pa? not far from me...ill be in touch. :goodidea:

No problem man. Anything I can do to help.:3gears:

[Shaggy]

http://www.fast351.com/tech/351w.htm

[DING]

I have a set of 351 HP drop solid motor mounts and a set of 351 swap header that will work for you car. PM me if you are interested. I have done a few 351 swaps in fox bodies, sn95's and rangers. Good luck

[oznap]

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/18818/

I used this as a guide. I also needed after market fuel rails (the stock ones weren't wide enough, the 351 intake is wider) a fuel pressure regulator (the rail mount won't work) and many fuel rail fitting to hook into the stock fuel lines. I bought the 351 headers but I could not get the old 302 h-pipe to seal. I had to buy a new 302 h-pipe. It says the a 86-93 will need a accessory drive kit but the 94/95 did not. I did need the damper spacer. If you need any other info or part # let me know.

Tom

[J-rod]

great thread guys. got it bookmarked for later when i find the right donor 5.0 car.

[coralcoupe1993]

A windsor is pretty much the same as a 5.0 except for 1 inch of deck height, and no you dont have to mill or shave anything, all you need is a pan and headers, i have a new moroso pan i accidentally ordered for a customer i will give you a deal on...

PM me if you have one for sale.

[Silverhatch]

No, 5.0 lower will not work because the increased deck height requires the requisite intake to have more width.


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