Why was PRP closed this weekend?

[somethingclever]

Am I the only one that couldn't figure out why they cancelled the WHOLE weekend because the weather was supposed to be poor on Sunday?

What does that have to do with Saturday???????? :confuse::confuse::nono::nono::rolleyes2::rolleyes 2::rolleyes2::duh::duh::duh::(:(





Ok...that's enough smilies.

[u1arunit]

Just the normal PRP stuff. Nothing new..

[somethingclever]

Just the normal PRP stuff. Nothing new..

This saturday was the most absurd closing I have seen yet.

It reached an all-time low.


(and i'm bitter that I stayed up until 2:30 am the night before finishing up my car since they changed the forecast for saturday since Friday MORNING!) :D


The message on the phone went something like this:

"Well it rained yesterday and becuase our drying equipment is sub-par, we won't have the track dry in time for the noon racing. And, since it's supposed to rain tomorrow, we are just going to cancel today too!"

:rofl:

[wick]

HAHAHAHA Wasnt Saturday DRY????? No wonder that shithole is not going to make it. HAHAHHAHAHAHA I would rather sit at home and jack off than to waste 2 hours sitting in traffic for nothing. Not to mention the $30 for gas.

[yellowstang03]

lol it only takes me like twenty mintues to get there:p

[Killercanary]

Same old same old... yet I'm sure someone will come in here and actually defend them.


This weekend is the first autocross of the season and they race rain or shine, so you know where I'll be! LOL!

[phillysrt4]

Damn someone beat me to the "rain within a 1000 mile radius" excuse lol.

[somethingclever]

Saturday at Noon:


http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/3068/7859/233575.jpg



:rolleyes:

[molnartr]

Saturday at Noon:


http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/3068/7859/233575.jpg



:rolleyes:

There might have been some rain up in those clouds :rofl::rollingfloorrlol:

[fin1]

I was surprised too. I got up that morning ready to head out to PRP since I saw the sun outside and street looked dry. I looked at that day's forcast and it looked good. I when to the PRP site and it indicated "rainded out". Hmm.. I thought that was odd. There was no explination. About 20 minutes later I get a PRP email that indicated the pits where not dry and that they were worried about mud & water being dragged on to the staging lanes and track.

[Balaska347]

I wasn't going to post because everyone knows everything and it is pointless to try and explain because everyone is biased anyway. But I don't care so I will do it anyway I'm a little bored.

I was the same way before all the way back when it was Keystone. When it would rain and they canceled I was pissed. Now that i deal with the track more I have a better idea of whats going on and why certain decisions get made. First of all your driveway and the road in front of your house has nothing to do with the track. Second the track is at the bottom of a hill so all the water runs off and lays on it at the 1000' maker. You can sit there all day with the dryer and it still just seeps up through the track. The pits are all mud and saturated from the rain friday night which was a lot. One time they tried racing anyway and the track got trashed and had to be scrubbed. Do you actually think that they enjoy closing!! Come on thats just retarded its a business and it still has expenses even if they are closed not making money. They pray all week so the millions they put in a business can sit there :rofl:. Wait I have a better one they just cancel because they don't like the TNT guys :rolleyes: that even better. I wish the only problem I had in my life was why the local dragstrip cancel I would be lucky.

No one said anything about them working over time to get 4 runs in on opening day. Everyone laughs and bets on how many runs they would get on opening day. Saying we would only get two. They are only having a gamblers race every 4 weeks but let me guess thats not good enough either. If I owned the track I would tell all the b***** to keep their junk at home and leave the ****hole for people who enjoy it.

[phillysrt4]

Im pretty bored too... :)


Come on thats just retarded its a business and it still has expenses even if they are closed not making money. They pray all week so the millions they put in a business can sit there :rofl:.

1) They have a ton of racing events on their calendar that will make them money, and
2) They have scheduled make up days for test and tune built into their schedule.

Let's not make it sound like they're taking a big hit by cancelling or that one missed TnT will put them in the red for the year :rolleyes:



Wait I have a better one they just cancel because they don't like the TNT guys :rolleyes:

I agree that is silly. When they're the only local game in town why close when some people are so desperate to race or worried about breaking their car 2 hours from home they'll pay the entrance fee to get 2-3 runs.

When the announcer says in an annoyed derisive tone that "this is test and tune, you get what you get [no refunds]" even if its just one run (because a car broke and it took them forever to clean it up) its kind of hard to say they're overjoyed to have us come out.

I understand the point of what he said, but the *way* he said it left a lot to be desired.



No one said anything about them working over time to get 4 runs in on opening day.

which, had their season opened on time, NEVER would have happened, but when enough people are angry over a business decision you have to make concessions nomatter how much you dont want to.

When the public transit system in Philly went on strike for 2 months in the summer, people were pissed. Some people bought cars and a lot of people vowed they would never ride Septa again because they felt the strike revolved around the union being super-greedy. Then they went off strike and all transit was free for one week. People were suddenly no longer pissed and were taking public transit again. It helped set the tone to get people back to riding Septa.

IMO, staying late to get 4 runs in was the same thing- an attempt to set the tone of "this will be a new era in PRP" instead of same old same old so that people would come back.



Everyone laughs and bets on how many runs they would get on opening day. Saying we would only get two.

So you're upset that people were realistic based on what's happened in the past??:rolleyes:

And besides, there weren't *any* runs on the (rescheduled) opening day- i think it rained in Texas somewhere and they had to re-reschedule:biglaugh:


Perhaps I am overly cynical. Perhaps PRP is turning the page to a new chapter and the weather simply hasn't worked out to make the start of the year they way they want. Perhaps they truly want to make sure TnT is top notch and are putting their best foot forward this year to make it so. And if that really, TRULY does come to pass, I'll be the first to admit my cynicism was unwarranted.

[Balaska347]

Philly I enjoy conversing with you because you do make sense and you are empathetic when debating or what ever you want to call it lol. I agree with what you are saying. What I'm just trying to get across is that they are trying to improve on things. They are taking steps forward even if they are baby steps. Instead of talking s*** we should try and support the local track. There are a lot of things that I don't like about the track too but its what we have local. If it is good enough to hold a national event it can't be that bad for the TNT cars. Yes I hate the rocks like everyone else and I'm sure they will be gone someday but its what we have for now crying about isnt gonna make them disappear it will just give you high blood pressure.

As for the one run and not getting your money back I don't think that would ever happen now the least amount of runs you will ever get is two which would suck but I don't think you should get your money back. The employees still need paid and the insurance and electric. And yes the announcer can be an a-hole lol.

As for opening day or cancelling I don't care if it has been sunny for a week or if its raining in Texas when there are puddles of water coming up from the ground you can't race on the track. When someone wrecks the first thing they are going to do is b**** about the track. Right now the ground is saturated and if it rains enough the day before there is one spot on that track (left lane 1000') that will not dry. Take my word on this a good friend of mine, no relation to the Tedescos, was asked to come up the track saturday morning to decide whether they could open or not. He has two cars that need to be tested badly along with me and it killed him to decide that they couldn't open. All I'm trying to say is that its not always what people think.

I know I sound like a a-hole a lot on here. I don't have a problem with anyone even if we disagree. I'm here to get info and give it. If someone doesn't agree with me there's no hard feelings I would still help anyone out if they needed it.

[HidalgoGT]

WEll all bitching aside. If they know they have this spot at the 1000 ft mark which is probaly a natural spring. Why not fix it? Sure it would take some time and money. But, wouldn't the offset be well worth it? As, for the gravel even reclaim(rotameal) old ground up asphalt would be better then those large stones that hurt when you get hit by them. Been there done that. I havent raced or been there since my car has been gone which has been several years and it still sounds like the same old track. Must be hella small baby steps. I love the tracvk regardless. It's close to home and its just a blas to go watch/race. Maybe if they were a lil more people friendly they would get more support from street car's.

For example the street car challenge I went to up there. All street car's. Think they need to redefine that. We were up against trailer only car's. Think we would have rather had a smaller purse to win and make it a actual "Street Car" race.

[casper gt]

after the last prp debate with the ricer I was trying to stay out of this but I cant. to start off with everyone who seems to do nothing but bash prp I would like to ask have you ever been any where else? I have raced all over the north east at one time or another & every track has plenty of problems. try not being by your car in the lanes at National Trail or getting a questional car through tech at QCR. just some examples but you get the point. shure things could be better, but for those of you that have been around think back 15 years heck even 5, its night & day. I think the Tedescos & crew are doing an exceptional job with the problems they inherited & I would think most regulars would agree. so since we are lucky enough to have a local track why not try to support it or at least not bash it. just my :twocents:

[HidalgoGT]

after the last prp debate with the ricer I was trying to stay out of this but I cant. to start off with everyone who seems to do nothing but bash prp I would like to ask have you ever been any where else? I have raced all over the north east at one time or another & every track has plenty of problems. try not being by your car in the lanes at National Trail or getting a questional car through tech at QCR. just some examples but you get the point. shure things could be better, but for those of you that have been around think back 15 years heck even 5, its night & day. I think the Tedescos & crew are doing an exceptional job with the problems they inherited & I would think most regulars would agree. so since we are lucky enough to have a local track why not try to support it or at least not bash it. just my :twocents:
I'm not totaly bashing them. They do have alot nicer track equipment then the old keystone did for sure. Yes, they have made some improvements and yes it all takes time. Maybe this fall/winter when they shut down they can address the water at the 1000' mark. I would say asphalt it all but, that is a rather large bill to tackle all at once. Have to spend it to make it though right? I'm no newbie to the track I have been going there 10+ years minus the last 2 cause it was depressing after my car was gone. I got another one now so back to PRP I will go. It's kinda like your job. You like the money it gives(most times) and what you do. Though there is always something to bitch about.

[Balaska347]

WEll all bitching aside. If they know they have this spot at the 1000 ft mark which is probaly a natural spring. Why not fix it? Sure it would take some time and money. But, wouldn't the offset be well worth it? As, for the gravel even reclaim(rotameal) old ground up asphalt would be better then those large stones that hurt when you get hit by them. Been there done that. I havent raced or been there since my car has been gone which has been several years and it still sounds like the same old track. Must be hella small baby steps. I love the tracvk regardless. It's close to home and its just a blas to go watch/race. Maybe if they were a lil more people friendly they would get more support from street car's.

For example the street car challenge I went to up there. All street car's. Think they need to redefine that. We were up against trailer only car's. Think we would have rather had a smaller purse to win and make it a actual "Street Car" race.


I say baby steps as in the TNT department. For the track itself it has taken huge steps and has spent lots of money(millions). And they will close early this year to begin construction which you probably wont even recognize the track next year. And yes they will be putting a lot of asphalt down but there will be some stones i'm sure. I have raced at PRP/Keystone for 11 years now and the place is nowhere near the same. I have been to a lot of tracks around here and they all have problems people just enjoy b****ing about PRP which I don't understand its OUR local track. Yeah they could probably be a little more prople friendly on TNT days but how friendly would you want to be to a group of people that did nothing but bitch about you and your business. To me I think the Tedescos are some of the nicest guys you meet. They just won't kiss your ass if you don't like them which is what people want.

As for the Street Car race it has been awhile since you have been there because after the first one it was made street legal only which you had to have a valid plate and registration. Oh yeah and they paid $1200 last year which was a increase.

[phillysrt4]

to start off with everyone who seems to do nothing but bash prp

Its not bashing, its a healthy case of cynicism for their marketing of how great its going to be this year given past events.


I would like to ask have you ever been any where else?

yes.



I have raced all over the north east at one time or another & every track has plenty of problems. try not being by your car in the lanes at National Trail or getting a questional car through tech at QCR. just some examples but you get the point.

But this isn't about QCR, Mason Dixon, Englishtown, Atco, or any other tracks "all over the north east". Its about PRP.

Second I agree every track has problems but the *overall* experience of PRP is subpar. When I was at Mason Dixon the prep wasn't as good as people made it out to be IMO but I got 4 or 5 runs in and could have easily gotten 2 or 3 more if I wanted and it was considered a busy day. At Atco I might only get 2 or 3 runs like PRP but their track is very fast and at the beginning and end of the season you're assured of running some of your best times because its at sea level and it gets cool resulting in hardcore negative DA's. At Englishtown its the same thing- 2 or 3 runs but the track prep is good.

Every time I've been to PRP when I try to say "... well, at least..." and then finish it, I have nothing. That is what has made me cynical.

As for questionable and/or hypocritical tech practices there is NO room to talk about any other track.


I think the Tedescos & crew are doing an exceptional job with the problems they inherited & I would think most regulars would agree. so since we are lucky enough to have a local track why not try to support it or at least not bash it. just my :twocents:

Like I said, I'm hoping that my cynicism is unwarranted.

As for blind support of a track, forget it. Allow me to use another anecdote to explain why.

Harley Davidson at one point was the king of the motorcycle world in America. Their bikes ruled the roads. Then something happened in the 70's and into the 80's. The Japanese came in with their offerings. Even though they were scoffed at in the beginning, their advancements through racing allowed them to catch up and surpass their american counterparts. And what did Harley do? Did they refuse to let someone else beat them at their own game? Did they regroup, go back to the drawing board and come out with something better so they could win races again?

Nope.

When push came to shove, they packed up and quit, and instead of making and marketing a better bike, they chose to market an *image* instead. They painted themselves so into a corner with an IMAGE that when they finally attempted to introduce a sportbike (which was inferior to anything the japanese or Italians were offering at the time, btw) it was quickly pulled because it didnt "fit the image" of HD.

Why do I bring this up? Because even though HD is one of the last bastion of American made motorcycles (Buell being the other), I wont support them. They don't care about innovation, they dont care about competing, and they dont care about bringing a product to the market that I want or would buy. Because of that I vote with my dollar and buy Japanese (and now possibly Buell now that I've taken a second look). Its the only vote I have to let them know I do not approve.

In a similar way, I am not going to blindly support PRP. I have observed some practices in the past I dont agree with, and until my cynicism of this year is shown to be unwarranted, I'll put my money elsewhere.

[Stangman701]

One thing I would like to see implemented, and I know this is a dream, would be something like a 4 run minumum on TNT night. I know there are breakdowns that are beyond the tracks control, but what they can control is the clean up time. They know they're going home at a certain time regardless of how long it takes them to clean up so they don't really care how long it takes. If there was a 4 run minumum then they would be busting their ass to clean up quickly so they could still go home on time. Then if for some reason you can't get 4 runs in a reasonable amout of time then there should at least be a prorated refund. So say if you pay $20 to run and you only get in 3 runs then you should get $5 back on your way out. I think a policy like this would do wonders for the track's business and reputation

[phillysrt4]

One thing I would like to see implemented, and I know this is a dream, would be something like a 4 run minumum on TNT night. I know there are breakdowns that are beyond the tracks control, but what they can control is the clean up time. They know they're going home at a certain time regardless of how long it takes them to clean up so they don't really care how long it takes. If there was a 4 run minumum then they would be busting their ass to clean up quickly so they could still go home on time.

i like it, but also the number of runs should be scaled based on the number of cars. If 400 cars showed up I dont know if you could get 4 runs in a TnT even if no one breaks.

[Stangman701]

i like it, but also the number of runs should be scaled based on the number of cars. If 400 cars showed up I dont know if you could get 4 runs in a TnT even if no one breaks.

True, but if 400 cars show up they can afford to pay the guys overtime to stay late for those that want to get in 4 runs.

[phillysrt4]

True, but if 400 cars show up they can afford to pay the guys overtime to stay late for those that want to get in 4 runs.

makes sense.

[u1arunit]

One thing I would like to see implemented, and I know this is a dream, would be something like a 4 run minumum on TNT night. I know there are breakdowns that are beyond the tracks control, but what they can control is the clean up time. They know they're going home at a certain time regardless of how long it takes them to clean up so they don't really care how long it takes. If there was a 4 run minumum then they would be busting their ass to clean up quickly so they could still go home on time. Then if for some reason you can't get 4 runs in a reasonable amout of time then there should at least be a prorated refund. So say if you pay $20 to run and you only get in 3 runs then you should get $5 back on your way out. I think a policy like this would do wonders for the track's business and reputation

I agree. If I cannot get in at least 4 runs it's not worth the 1 1/2 hour drive time to go there.

This is why I like track rentals and wish we would have more.

[somethingclever]

This is why I like track rentals and wish we would have more.




If you host it....they will come.

[GOT SVT]

If you host it....they will come.

wish this was true

[gmkillr]

Quaker City Raceway

www.quakercityraceway.com

None of the b.s. that prp has, and a much nicer track that doesn't have gravel all over the place.:goodidea:

[u1arunit]

If you host it....they will come.

You host it and I will attend. There, that was easy huh..? :goodidea:

[somethingclever]

You host it and I will attend. There, that was easy huh..? :goodidea:


Too late..you volunteered first. :jump:

[Gastrader1]

Been there done that, won't do that again....... PJ is 100% correct, have one and HOPE they come.

[u1arunit]

Yep Mikey Mustang used to do track rentals and it seemed that while everyone wanted to go initially, when it came time to pay and show up the turn out was less than expected.

[Balaska347]

Quaker City Raceway

www.quakercityraceway.com (http://www.quakercityraceway.com)

None of the b.s. that prp has, and a much nicer track that doesn't have gravel all over the place.:goodidea:


:rotflol: A nicer track in your eyes, the track goes up hill. If PRP went up hill people would complain about that and why they don't fix it.

As for the B.S. QCR has more then all the tracks in PA put together:rofl:. Why do you think QCR is fighting just to stay open. If you knew anything about QCR you wouldn't have made that comment. I'm not gonna say anything bad about QCR though because I also consider them a local track and will support them and hope they they also say open.

[casper gt]

for ever one who is worried about the # of runs you get why dont you come on race days? you will get 2 time trials for shure & first round. 3 runs & more depending on how long you stay in.

[phillysrt4]

:rotflol: A nicer track in your eyes, the track goes up hill. If PRP went up hill people would complain about that and why they don't fix it.

to be fair, having a slight uphill isn't the same problem as PRP's 1000-foot mark issue, in that QCR's hill doesn't close the track due to rain 5 days before (exaggeration but you get my point).

It makes slower times, thats about it.



As for the B.S. QCR has more then all the tracks in PA put together:rofl:.


Really? granted I only raced there once, but the one time I did go, the staff was very friendly in getting me oriented, the cleanup for the broken car happened pretty fast, tech was straightforward, and the announcer had a positive jovial attitude whether you ran 10's or 18's. His announcing during the junior dragster "pinks" race was pretty funny too.

Maybe that day was an exception to the rule, but overall it was a better experience than any I had at PRP by far.



Why do you think QCR is fighting just to stay open.

if i had to make a guess, it would be due to the competition of so many tracks in a relatively small area and the fact that its a slower track due to the aforementioend uphill. many people run TnT to get timeslips, not necessarily test and tune. Thats going to chase a lot of people away to other tracks if they're running a YY.00 to YY.1X because they know they'll drop down a second at another track.

I spoke to a couple of other people and they said the day was quite crowded, yet I got 4 runs in and could have had 2 more if I wanted. that says something about the attendence level versus PRP.

[HidalgoGT]

:rotflol: A nicer track in your eyes, the track goes up hill. If PRP went up hill people would complain about that and why they don't fix it.

As for the B.S. QCR has more then all the tracks in PA put together:rofl:. Why do you think QCR is fighting just to stay open. If you knew anything about QCR you wouldn't have made that comment. I'm not gonna say anything bad about QCR though because I also consider them a local track and will support them and hope they they also say open.

I see it this way. If we all went to QCR like we do PRP we would be doing the same thing. We pick out the flaws whatever they may be. It more or less isnt anything personal. Though When one of the tedesco clan was a member of the sight he was less then understanding at times. Not saying I am a great people person cause I'm not. It boils down to a complaint department for us to vent our frustrations about how things are. Like mew complaining about the street car shootout. From what you say its fixed as I havent been there in 2-2.5 years. That is a good thing. I wouldn't take it so personal.:goodidea:

[MustangMike]

What's up guys? I haven't been on here in a long time...kinda funny...I just signed on to see what was happening at the local tracks this spring...dreweling because I don't have a car to race anymore.

Anyway...I'm not surprised at all by what I'm reading. My biggest issue with them, and always has been, it would not be so difficult to deal with their "issues" if they took a single step toward making their customers feel welcome. That would include making exceptions when crazy things happen. Big break down that wipes the track out? Keep everyone there and let them get an extra run, even if it means staying open for a half hour LONGER. Don't call the damn night off at 8:30-9:00 and tell everyone that cleanup will take too long. Ever been to Norwalk and even QCR when things get tied up unexpectedly? They will often times (not always) run the cars late until people start leaving!!! Also - why is it that most every time the name tedesco comes up, there is somehow a confrontational tone involved? I've never heard them or heard OF them being the least bit interested in making people happy. Most often it's a total smart ass attitude that you get...and to me, for my money (watching or racing), it's not worth it. I would be more than happy to put up with the bs and the few runs if I felt like they at least made an ATTEMPT at customer satisfaction. Isn't that what business is all about?!?!?!?!?!?

Good luck to you guys this season - hope to see you out there soon!

[Gastrader1]

The best thing that could ever happen to PRP is "Abbott and Costello" sell the track, they are two of the most unprofessional business people that I know. I have put on track rentals at PRP and QCR, and dealing with QCR is very easy, PRP is another story for sure. Nothing will change if current ownership stays at PRP, it is all smoke and mirrors. If my memory is correct, do they not own a heavy construction business? If so spread a little gravel and your mud problem goes away. Thats right, they don't care about making it a nice place.

[casper gt]

is QCR in buisness this week?

[phillysrt4]

is QCR in buisness this week?





Opening Day April 5th was a great turn out of racers and the weather was warm. The excitment of loud exhaust and the smell of burning rubber is back! Everyone was excited to make their first runs of the year.


So id say they're open, yes.

[Balaska347]

I'm also big on customer satisfaction and when I'm there (racedays) I don't see a problem with it. Maybe I should start going to more TNT to see what everyone is talking about because what I did notice is the guys that stick up for the track are usually regular racers and the guys that complain are TNT guys. I get treated great and I didn't know the Tedescos from Bob down the street I just made a point to. And I do agree the announcer is ignorant at times. Anyway we can go on and on...

I look at life on the postive side but we all aren't the same. I was always taught to worry about the plank in my on eye before I worry about the splinter in someone elses.

My car is almost done hopefully by next week if everything goes well, and I will be going up to TNT next saturday. I would like to meet some of you guys up there if anyone is planning on going up.

[casper gt]

aw come on now Steve isnt that bad :rotflol::rofl::laughing1: (you know Im kidding right)

[gmkillr]

:rotflol: A nicer track in your eyes, the track goes up hill. If PRP went up hill people would complain about that and why they don't fix it.

As for the B.S. QCR has more then all the tracks in PA put together:rofl:. Why do you think QCR is fighting just to stay open. If you knew anything about QCR you wouldn't have made that comment. I'm not gonna say anything bad about QCR though because I also consider them a local track and will support them and hope they they also say open.



Please don't tell me you "think" prp is nicer than QCR? What's so appealing about it to you? Is it the gravel? The great Customer service? The constant cancellations? Please tell me...:rolleyes:
I've been to both tracks countless times and I will choose QCR any day of the week over prp even though it's slower, so what does that say about prp?
A few years ago I went to QCR for a t&t and for some odd reason I drove up on a thursday, which was a big airhead move on my part because there t&t is on Friday. Anyway, I get there and nobody is racing and it was a nice day so I was like WTF? I pull up to the main building and the office manager (Rhonda) comes out and says may I help you? I say aren't you guys running t&t today? She then says we are running it tommorow (Friday), I then realize I was mistaken on what day of the week it was and tell her that I guess i'll be back tommorow then. She says hold on 1 sec. and runs in the office, and comes back out with 3 free passes for T&T nights since I went through all of the trouble of driving there. Now thats customer service! Do you believe that prp would ever do anything of this magnitude? prp would tell you to fug off and leave....:rolleyes:

[Jivepepper]

I went to QCR for a t&t and for some odd reason I drove up on a thursday, which was a big airhead move on my part because there t&t is on Friday. Anyway, I get there and nobody is racing and it was a nice day so I was like WTF? I pull up to the main building and the office manager (Rhonda) comes out and says may I help you? I say aren't you guys running t&t today? She then says we are running it tommorow (Friday), I then realize I was mistaken on what day of the week it was and tell her that I guess i'll be back tommorow then. She says hold on 1 sec. and runs in the office, and comes back out with 3 free passes for T&T nights since I went through all of the trouble of driving there. Now thats customer service! Do you believe that prp would ever do anything of this magnitude? prp would tell you to fug off and leave....:rolleyes:

Well prp gave me a free pass on the last day of last year, because we were rained out. I hope they honor it this year.

[phillysrt4]

I look at life on the postive side but we all aren't the same. I was always taught to worry about the plank in my on eye before I worry about the splinter in someone elses.


I'll let you know when I own my own track so that metaphor can apply. :goodidea:

[gmkillr]

I'll let you know when I own my own track so that metaphor can apply. :goodidea:


LOL!!!:biglaugh:

[Balaska347]

I'll let you know when I own my own track so that metaphor can apply. :goodidea:

Why do you have to own your own track for it to apply? It means worry about fixing your own problems instead of others.

I would like to see you guys operate the track. I can just see it now free TNT and run all night until everyone gets ten runs. :rotflol: You'll be be in business for about a week. Actually I think the track is looking for someone maybe you should apply so I can see how its done.

GMkiller everyone I know was getting free passes because the place was doing whatever they could to get business. And come on the whole stone thing, hasn't that horse been beat to death already :rolleyes:.

Why do you go to PRP if it is that bad. Take your business else where because there are plenty of us that love the track. I know what direction it is heading in so I will support it. When PRP is top of the line dont come running back. Don't even spectate because no one wants hear you cry while we are enjoying the track and what it has to offer. Maybe they will give you some cheese when you come through the gate.

It's funny that PRP is in all kinds of magazines for taking huge steps forward and where it is heading. And the guys who bring their $200,000 racecars have nothing but good things to say but the PRO TNT guy with his mustang it isn't good enough:rofl:

[2001GTTT]

so dumb to even fight about anyway.....i think john just wanted an answer to his question.....

[phillysrt4]

so dumb to even fight about anyway.....i think john just wanted an answer to his question.....

there's no fighting. everyone is just explaining their points of view.

[phillysrt4]

Why do you have to own your own track for it to apply? It means worry about fixing your own problems instead of others.


In the most general sense, the only way it would apply would be if I owned a business, ANY business, and cared more about PRP's problems than i would my own business.


Why do you go to PRP if it is that bad. Take your business else where because there are plenty of us that love the track.

I don't go to PRP. The last straw was their announcer being rude, condescending and unprofessional the last time I was there. Since that happened, I haven't been back.



I know what direction it is heading in so I will support it. When PRP is top of the line dont come running back. Don't even spectate because no one wants hear you cry while we are enjoying the track and what it has to offer.

This to me is a contradiction. IF it is true that they realize their past ways arent the way to run a track, and IF they are making strides to go in the right direction, why not support it? Why not spectate? I said before that you need to vote with your dollar, and a return to PRP and giving them my money would be the way to say "i like what you're doing and im glad to be back".

But actions speak louder than words and the season is too early for those IF's to come to pass in my book.


It's funny that PRP is in all kinds of magazines for taking huge steps forward and where it is heading. And the guys who bring their $200,000 racecars have nothing but good things to say but the PRO TNT guy with his mustang it isn't good enough:rofl:

are you laughing at the truth of this or in disbelief? I can't tell, but I assure you the reality is the former.

Of course they're going to fawn and go gaga over a $200 grand racecar that shows up. That car is getting press, and thus indirectly theres a good chance PRP is going to get a free plug or two here and there if that driver has a positive experience. However, a TNT guy with a mustang is dime a dozen (not trying to be offensive just that the mustang is one of the best selling cars of all time so there's just a lot of them out there). You can bet that PRP is going to bust out the kneepads far quicker for the 200k car than the TNT mustang.

its just smart business to cater to that type of clientelle, but thinking you have carte blanche to crap on everyone else isnt.

[Pure Stock]

I liked it a whole hell of a lot better when it was Keystone Raceway.

[HidalgoGT]

I liked it a whole hell of a lot better when it was Keystone Raceway.
Ahh, those were the days..............................:goodidea:

[Cam99]

And the guys who bring their $200,000 racecars have nothing but good things to say but the PRO TNT guy with his mustang it isn't good enough:rofl:

Because the guy that brings his 200,000 racecar isn't treated with contempt. In fact if a guy with any type of "racecar" happens to show up at a T&T he is shown the royal treatment and the entire event is put on hold, while the two hundred lowly streetcars that just wasted 30 bucks (35 if you get a hotdog) are forced to wait and hope they manage to make a couple passes before the night is over. PRP sucks, bottom line. Do people still go there, sure, it's a necessary evil sometimes. I'm sure I'll end up going there and it'll suck and I'll tell myself I'm not going back, and I'll end up going next year to repeat the process. I used to be there at least two times a month , but over time with the terrible experience it ends up bieng I go once a year anymore. I'm going to a track rental at QCR in May. Will I run my best numbers, nope, but it's worth it to me to have an enjoyable time.

[gmkillr]

Why do you have to own your own track for it to apply? It means worry about fixing your own problems instead of others.

I would like to see you guys operate the track. I can just see it now free TNT and run all night until everyone gets ten runs. :rotflol: You'll be be in business for about a week. Actually I think the track is looking for someone maybe you should apply so I can see how its done.

GMkiller everyone I know was getting free passes because the place was doing whatever they could to get business. And come on the whole stone thing, hasn't that horse been beat to death already :rolleyes:.

Why do you go to PRP if it is that bad. Take your business else where because there are plenty of us that love the track. I know what direction it is heading in so I will support it. When PRP is top of the line dont come running back. Don't even spectate because no one wants hear you cry while we are enjoying the track and what it has to offer. Maybe they will give you some cheese when you come through the gate.

It's funny that PRP is in all kinds of magazines for taking huge steps forward and where it is heading. And the guys who bring their $200,000 racecars have nothing but good things to say but the PRO TNT guy with his mustang it isn't good enough:rofl:


This is a thread about racetracks not a joke thread........:rolleyes:
I'm not even going to respond to this b.s.:rolleyes:
Please wake up, will you?

[gmkillr]

PRP sucks, bottom line. I'm going to a track rental at QCR in May. Will I run my best numbers, nope, but it's worth it to me to have an enjoyable time.


That about sums it up right there!:goodidea:
I actually have my best 60' time @ QCR, my best E.T. @ QCR but I do MPH better at prp.

[casper gt]

like I said before if you want lots of runs go on race day 2 time trials 1st round mabie more. and why wouldnt they cater to race cars? its a buisness and racers that come up week in and week out pay the bills not the ocasional(or pro?) tnt guy that comes you 1-2 times a year. I race every single race day but very seldom go to tnt because of all the B.S. like no one being with their car & holding the lanes up, bringing mud up to starting line & my personal pet peeve ice on intake(which melts onto motor & ends up on starting line). so why not give a regluar race day a try & see how diffrent it is. otherwise I second Balaska 347 if you only want to bitch go somewhere else we dont need it up there.

[2001GTTT]

I like prp because its close but the staff could be better and track prep could be better, not here to complain just adding some suggestions. :goodidea:

[Cam99]

second Balaska 347 if you only want to bitch go somewhere else we dont need it up there.

Of course you do.

[Jivepepper]

They only compliant I have is that I'm treated like crap everytime I go. Plus it would be nice if the track wasn't closed everytime it rains a day or two before track day because of bad drainage.

This track is 90 miles each way for me. The next closest Is 189 miles away at MD. I have no idea how far QSC is?

[u1arunit]

like I said before if you want lots of runs go on race day 2 time trials 1st round mabie more. and why wouldnt they cater to race cars? its a buisness and racers that come up week in and week out pay the bills not the ocasional(or pro?) tnt guy that comes you 1-2 times a year. I race every single race day but very seldom go to tnt because of all the B.S. like no one being with their car & holding the lanes up, bringing mud up to starting line & my personal pet peeve ice on intake(which melts onto motor & ends up on starting line). so why not give a regluar race day a try & see how diffrent it is. otherwise I second Balaska 347 if you only want to bitch go somewhere else we dont need it up there.

Looking at it from a business perspective they make WAY MORE money with hundreds of TnT cars showing up than the few racers in those classes who show up "regularly".

So you race there all the time. SO what. That does not make your opinion any more important than anyone else on here so step down off your high horse. It seems you are too high up there to see the reality at PRP.

[Killercanary]

like I said before if you want lots of runs go on race day 2 time trials 1st round maybe more. and why wouldnt they cater to race cars? its a buisness and racers that come up week in and week out pay the bills not the ocasional(or pro?) tnt guy that comes you 1-2 times a year. I race every single race day but very seldom go to tnt because of all the B.S. like no one being with their car & holding the lanes up, bringing mud up to starting line & my personal pet peeve ice on intake(which melts onto motor & ends up on starting line). so why not give a regluar race day a try & see how diffrent it is. otherwise I second Balaska 347 if you only want to bitch go somewhere else we dont need it up there.

I can't stop laughing at this post!!! I tried your "come up one race day" suggestion and it was the WORST day I have ever, and I repeat EVER experienced at PRP. I got one, read again ONE run in 10hrs of being at the track. Surprised? I'm not, its the typical bull shit they do up there. I witnessed the "pro" drag cars get more runs. Hell, i know GMKILLR experienced the same exact thing. This day really sticks out in my head as it was the first, and last time, my grandmother had come out to the track to see my dad and I race. After several hours of sitting around with no hope in site of getting any runs in my mom took her home. I will NEVER go back on a race day, I can promise you that.


And your comment about racers paying the bills is total bull shit. For four years straight I NEVER missed a TNT. I was the first car down the track on opening day and I didn't miss until they shut the lights out on the last day of the season. There were MANY others just like me, hell how do you think a lot of us know each other on here??? Most of us met at Keystone/PRP on TNT nights because most of us were ALWAYS there. Let's see, what day would be more profitable.... a day where you have 300 cars show up for TNT where there are NO payouts what-so-ever, or a raceday with less cars where you are giving payouts. TNT is what really helps keep the lights on, but you sound like them and don't understand that all too important point.


And now that I'm venting... people can say all they want about the old Keystone days when the Gentiles owned it. I can tell you that I'd take that track and personnel any day of the week. I was treated well, and a little rain never stopped racing. I can't tell you how many times I, along with the other guys at TNT were out lapping the track with our cars to get the track dry! There was none of this "well it rained 3 days ago and it may rain next week so we're closed BS." I raced there for YEARS and it was never the issue it is now. I don't know by them stepping off the hillside if that caused drainage issues that are now a bigger problem than they were before or what, but for the money that has supposedly been sunk into that place you'd think some engineering would have gone into it and addressed this potential problem.

I think it speaks volumes that my dad and I NEVER, and I do mean NEVER missed TNT from '98-2002 but when it became PRP and we saw the way we were treated we've all but stopped attending. I think he and I were there twice last year. We really did have high hopes for the track when we heard it was sold and the new owners were going to fix up the place as I do admit it needed renovating, but we were sad to see that the level of service to the patrons went way downhill with it.

I do appreciate that we stll have a local track available to us, but unless their attitudes change I'll continue to travel a few times a year to places like Cecil, E-town, and Mason Dixon before I'll be a regular like I once was at PRP.

[Killercanary]

Anyone remember this? LOL!

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/617/4047/234081.gif

[gmkillr]

Anyone remember this? LOL!

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/617/4047/234081.gif



Amen to that my brother!

PRP is my last resory and even then It's still hard for me to give them my money!:rolleyes:

[somethingclever]

like I said before if you want lots of runs go on race day 2 time trials 1st round mabie more. and why wouldnt they cater to race cars? its a buisness and racers that come up week in and week out pay the bills not the ocasional(or pro?) tnt guy that comes you 1-2 times a year. I race every single race day but very seldom go to tnt because of all the B.S. like no one being with their car & holding the lanes up, bringing mud up to starting line & my personal pet peeve ice on intake(which melts onto motor & ends up on starting line). so why not give a regluar race day a try & see how diffrent it is. otherwise I second Balaska 347 if you only want to bitch go somewhere else we dont need it up there.



The only thing good about regular race days is the track prep is just slightly better than TnT nights....but that is the ONLY thing better.


FWIW I probably raced close to 15 TnT's last yr and saw mostly the same cars each time I was there. The street car lanes are always, and have always been, packed. To say they dont' pay the bills is LAUGHABLE at best.

It seems like the younger workers are always pleasant...there are a few older guys that need an attitude adjustment. If they don't like their job, they need to go work somewhere else because we dont' need their bad attitude up there.


Plus, just because people express their complaints about the track does not mean they shouldn't ever go back. Have you ever complained about your job? Did you go back the next day? :rolleyes:

[Balaska347]

Ok first off anyone that hasn't been to the track lately or said they haven't been back since shouldn't even be posting because changes get made all the time.

Second I agree that certain employees have bad atittudes and it is bad business even if it is only towards tnt guys. If it was me I would fire them but it is so hard to get good employees because the jobs sucks.

CAM99 whats wrong with casper gt agreeing with me. Is it because he isn't part of the big circle jerk on here?

This thing about TNT cars being where the money is at goes to show how much you guys know. For one, TNT gets an average of 150 cars not 300. Regular race days gets an average of 250 cars. Yes they do pay out but we pay for that in entry. But wait, the big money comes from sponserships which is for the weekly racers and the big shows on racedays. PRP isn't stupid if TNT was bringing in the big bucks they would be on it trust me.

Preping the track on a tnt is just retarded. The first car to go down the track with street tires just eats it right off anyway. Plus a street tire will hook better on the asphalt in front of your house compared to the track with VHT. VHT is actually greasy with a hard street tire. If your not running a street tire run with the slick cars and if you can't hook that your fault.

The Gentiles are great people and they did great with what they had to work with. Was anyone complaining back then when the street car lanes consisted of dirt, ruts, and rocks or can't you remember that. And yes the water issues came because the big grassy field that is now asphalt and gravel. And when they put more asphalt down it will get worse.

It all boils down to the fact that you guys are sore because no one gives two $hits about TNT. Trying to say the track sucks and it has stones :rolleyes: is just your way of dealing with it. For you guys to arguing that the track is terrible and won't go anywhere are talking nonsense. I can give you a list a mile long on improvements but I won't waste my time. You can lead the horse to the watering hole but you can't make it drink. I know Philly technically it doesn't work :D.

Like I said the only point I agree with is the poor atittude employees or management give to TNT.
Why not go buy a G Tech or something and run your car up and down the road all day long. Then you can tell your buddy you just ran your best ET.

[phillysrt4]

Ok first off anyone that hasn't been to the track lately or said they haven't been back since shouldn't even be posting because changes get made all the time.

I disagree. Those who tell stories about their experiences simply confirm not much has changed.



CAM99 whats wrong with casper gt agreeing with me. Is it because he isn't part of the big circle jerk on here?

The same "circle jerk" mentality could be said of those who are blindly pro prp nomatter what (not saying you are in that group but there are those like this on both sides).

And I dont see how Cam's, u1arunit's or my criticism constitutes a "circle jerk" anyway.



Like I said the only point I agree with is the poor atittude employees or management give to TNT.

which is far worse than not giving 2 sh1ts.



Why not go buy a G Tech or something and run your car up and down the road all day long. Then you can tell your buddy you just ran your best ET.

You know, considering that the prices of them have come down, they use 3 axis accelerometers, and they've improved their integration software a lot makes it very tempting. The downsides to G Tech's are that no one takes the times seriously because installation error can inflate times, but more importantly that you have to run on the streets which in general isn't a good idea. Although I do get into the occasional street battle, I have a strong preference to being at a track.

[HidalgoGT]

You know, considering that the prices of them have come down, they use 3 axis accelerometers, and they've improved their integration software a lot makes it very tempting. The downsides to G Tech's are that no one takes the times seriously because installation error can inflate times, but more importantly that you have to run on the streets which in general isn't a good idea. Although I do get into the occasional street battle, I have a strong preference to being at a track.
I had one from a friend one time and pulled up to a certain old time favorite raceing area and just got done setting it up to take off when i heard a pa system say "Move Along Now" lookedin my rear view and was two state boy's. I was so nervous I pulled off the road they went by.

[Jivepepper]

It seems like the younger workers are always pleasant...there are a few older guys that need an attitude adjustment. If they don't like their job, they need to go work somewhere else because we dont' need their bad attitude up there.

I know the younger guys are cool the older ones are the aholes. I went about 8-9 times last year myself. Most of the year the lights didn't even work. Prp was the first time to a drag strip.

[phillysrt4]

I had one from a friend one time and pulled up to a certain old time favorite raceing area and just got done setting it up to take off when i heard a pa system say "Move Along Now" lookedin my rear view and was two state boy's. I was so nervous I pulled off the road they went by.

whew!!

and to think getting it set up a few minutes sooner may have meant a nasty ticket!

[u1arunit]

Okay I have wasted enough time reading and posting in this terrible waste of a thread.

Just one more thought though first:

PRP lovers are nut huggers and we the Haters are Circle Jerks. :flipoff:

Got it everyone..?

Good.

[Jivepepper]

What if I want hang on nuts and circle jerk?

[INSANELY CRAZY]

What if I want hang on nuts and circle jerk?

everyone has/wants there own way...

this thread was locked last night, what happened mark did you wanna see/read more???? LOL

[cam303]

A lot of this bitching sounds like excuses to not race your cars.....lol

It is what it is guys. Whining on here isnt going to change it.

[Martin0660]

It is what it is guys. Whining on here isnt going to change it.

I have stayed away from this thread, but Cam probably nailed my opinion here as well.

Bob Myers

[u1arunit]

everyone has/wants there own way...

this thread was locked last night, what happened mark did you wanna see/read more???? LOL

I locked it but Lou must have opened it back up.

He actually likes DRAMA.

So..

[Pure Stock]

I can't stop laughing at this post!!! I tried your "come up one race day" suggestion and it was the WORST day I have ever, and I repeat EVER experienced at PRP. I got one, read again ONE run in 10hrs of being at the track. Surprised? I'm not, its the typical bull shit they do up there. I witnessed the "pro" drag cars get more runs. Hell, i know GMKILLR experienced the same exact thing. This day really sticks out in my head as it was the first, and last time, my grandmother had come out to the track to see my dad and I race. After several hours of sitting around with no hope in site of getting any runs in my mom took her home. I will NEVER go back on a race day, I can promise you that.


And your comment about racers paying the bills is total bull shit. For four years straight I NEVER missed a TNT. I was the first car down the track on opening day and I didn't miss until they shut the lights out on the last day of the season. There were MANY others just like me, hell how do you think a lot of us know each other on here??? Most of us met at Keystone/PRP on TNT nights because most of us were ALWAYS there. Let's see, what day would be more profitable.... a day where you have 300 cars show up for TNT where there are NO payouts what-so-ever, or a raceday with less cars where you are giving payouts. TNT is what really helps keep the lights on, but you sound like them and don't understand that all too important point.


And now that I'm venting... people can say all they want about the old Keystone days when the Gentiles owned it. I can tell you that I'd take that track and personnel any day of the week. I was treated well, and a little rain never stopped racing. I can't tell you how many times I, along with the other guys at TNT were out lapping the track with our cars to get the track dry! There was none of this "well it rained 3 days ago and it may rain next week so we're closed BS." I raced there for YEARS and it was never the issue it is now. I don't know by them stepping off the hillside if that caused drainage issues that are now a bigger problem than they were before or what, but for the money that has supposedly been sunk into that place you'd think some engineering would have gone into it and addressed this potential problem.

I think it speaks volumes that my dad and I NEVER, and I do mean NEVER missed TNT from '98-2002 but when it became PRP and we saw the way we were treated we've all but stopped attending. I think he and I were there twice last year. We really did have high hopes for the track when we heard it was sold and the new owners were going to fix up the place as I do admit it needed renovating, but we were sad to see that the level of service to the patrons went way downhill with it.

I do appreciate that we stll have a local track available to us, but unless their attitudes change I'll continue to travel a few times a year to places like Cecil, E-town, and Mason Dixon before I'll be a regular like I once was at PRP.

I couldn't of said it better!

[casper gt]

wow I thought ricers sucked,you "profesional"? tnt guys are the biggest cry babies Ive ever had the misfortune of dealing with. 300 car test & tune? never happen especially not back in the Gentille days you couldnt fit that many cars at the track. as far as stepping the hillside causing drainage problems that may or may not be true but they needed to do it to make more pit spots for how many more cars come up now.have you ever looked up there & saw how packed it is? the old keystone could never draw that many cars. I remember 1995 in particular we had a hard time getting 16 cars together for the bracket finals ( did I mention we won the bracket finals last year? not bad for such a crappy track huh) thats about all I have to say about this other than its called a race track because people go there to race, tnt's are to work out the bugs in your race car. if all you want is a time slip why dont you wait out side the gate I'm shure some one will sell you one & your buddies at Dairy Queen will never know the difference.

[gmkillr]

Hey when QCR gets 300+ cars on t&t nights you still get a minimum of 4 runs in........:jump:
You can't unlearn stupid guys........Some people will never learn........:rolleyes:

[Ares]

:deadhorse:

[Jivepepper]

wow I thought ricers sucked,you "profesional"? tnt guys are the biggest cry babies Ive ever had the misfortune of dealing with. 300 car test & tune? never happen especially not back in the Gentille days you couldnt fit that many cars at the track. as far as stepping the hillside causing drainage problems that may or may not be true but they needed to do it to make more pit spots for how many more cars come up now.have you ever looked up there & saw how packed it is? the old keystone could never draw that many cars. I remember 1995 in particular we had a hard time getting 16 cars together for the bracket finals ( did I mention we won the bracket finals last year? not bad for such a crappy track huh) thats about all I have to say about this other than its called a race track because people go there to race, tnt's are to work out the bugs in your race car. if all you want is a time slip why dont you wait out side the gate I'm shure some one will sell you one & your buddies at Dairy Queen will never know the difference.


They cussed at me and even used the f bomb towards me because I couldn't hear them. I was the first one in the staging lane. I did my run and got my slip. I was returning to the lane. The guy that works the lanes thought the gap between me and last car still waiting to run was not large enough. He screams at me not to move my f'ing car any more even though there were several car links between us. I was new and had know idea what the hell i was doing. I was so pissed at the the time I wanted get out and beat his ass. I did nothing that constituted getting treated that way.

I know that they can't control the weather, accidents, break downs, etc. But they should get a handle on their staff.

Not to mention the announcers condescending attitude and tone.

There's nothing wrong with racing for time slips and comparing them later, it's just another way of competing.

I test and tune my street car before and after modding in a safe enviroment. The TNT's are not just for bracket racers.

Like I said my biggest complaint is the rude staff. Nothing like spending 90-100 just to be cussed.

Who comes to see national events? Probably alot of them are ricers and tnt guys.

[One Sweet Day]

everyones opinion is going to be different based on their experiences. the great thing is you can choose which track you want to go to. so go to it. why is this thread so long? :doh:

Mark:biglaugh:
http://sl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/432/432334nf0azzp6wt.jpg

[u1arunit]

wow I thought ricers sucked,you "profesional"? tnt guys are the biggest cry babies Ive ever had the misfortune of dealing with. 300 car test & tune? never happen especially not back in the Gentille days you couldnt fit that many cars at the track. as far as stepping the hillside causing drainage problems that may or may not be true but they needed to do it to make more pit spots for how many more cars come up now.have you ever looked up there & saw how packed it is? the old keystone could never draw that many cars. I remember 1995 in particular we had a hard time getting 16 cars together for the bracket finals ( did I mention we won the bracket finals last year? not bad for such a crappy track huh) thats about all I have to say about this other than its called a race track because people go there to race, tnt's are to work out the bugs in your race car. if all you want is a time slip why dont you wait out side the gate I'm shure some one will sell you one & your buddies at Dairy Queen will never know the difference.

Yep, the only cars that go to a "Race Track" are "Race Cars". What the hell are we thinking..? :rolleyes:

[Balaska347]

:deadhorse:

I agree lol.

The last thing I'm going to say is that I don't have a problem with guys that want to TNT thats just what you like to do. I try to improve the TNT's and talk to them about changing some things for you guys. I was pushing for no gamblers race on TNT, not for me I want it, but I thought it would help the TNT guys. So when I'm on here and I see all the trashed talked on the track it gets to me.

Most of the complaints are petty and are just something to here yourself b****. For example the stones, there a plenty of places to pit on a TNT where there isn't stones and you know the stones are there so if its that big a deal don't go and enough said. As for the way employees treat people I agree 100% and I already mentioned that to someone. If an employee treats you bad and drops F'bombs ask to talk to Michael Tedesco and talk to him about it. I'm sure he will take care of it and you might even get a free pass. What do you do if a waitress tells you to f*** off, you would ask to talk to a manager, right.

I hope that for those that go this year have a better experience. I enjoy the place along with many others and I'm glad I don't have to travel more then 40 minutes to enjoy racing my car.

[gmkillr]

Stones are no big deal to you?
How bout if one got thrown up and hit your car?
How about if one hit you in the eye?
How bout if one hit a little kid in the eye?
Not a big deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:
I've seen on many occasions rock being thrown and hit people and cars.

[Cam99]

Balaska and Casper, I hope you guys are on the PRP payroll hardcore for the ferver in which you blindly defend that track and it's host of "professionals" running it. Somehow even though there are MANY people that post their dissatisfaction about the operation of PRP, you somehow still manage to find the gumption to tell us how we are all wrong and how wonderful the track is/ or will be. It sucked last year, the year before, and I'm sure it will suck this year and next. Peole are who they are, period. It's not going to change (unless the management / ownership) changes. Most of us have formed this opinion of that place over YEARS of going there. Can you just accept that a certain majority of us think it's a very substandard track and stop jumping in every thread about PRP telling us how everyone that doesn't like it is a crybaby. Please, it gets old.

[Ares]

Reap what ya sow. Create a thread over a contested topic and get responses in kind.

[Balaska347]

Balaska and Casper, I hope you guys are on the PRP payroll hardcore for the ferver in which you blindly defend that track and it's host of "professionals" running it. Somehow even though there are MANY people that post their dissatisfaction about the operation of PRP, you somehow still manage to find the gumption to tell us how we are all wrong and how wonderful the track is/ or will be. It sucked last year, the year before, and I'm sure it will suck this year and next. Peole are who they are, period. It's not going to change (unless the management / ownership) changes. Most of us have formed this opinion of that place over YEARS of going there. Can you just accept that a certain majority of us think it's a very substandard track and stop jumping in every thread about PRP telling us how everyone that doesn't like it is a crybaby. Please, it gets old.

I was done with this thread. I wish I was on payroll. What can't I post on something that I believe or what I just have to agree with the majority. Sorry I have a backbone and I'll say what ever I feel needs to be said. I dont even really know Casper he just happens to feel the same way as does a lot of people.

You want to talk about getting old. Ill tell you whats getting old. Its reading all the post about PRP on here when half of you don't know what you're talking about. So when I don't have to read your B.S. you wont have to read mine. I'm not making stuff up I'm just stating the facts.

[2001GTTT]

sooooo.......does anyone know why prp was closed? lol

[casper gt]

I was done with this also but I have to say bravo to Balaska for telling it like it is (as I do also). as to the rocks if your dumb enough to stand behind a car at any track doing a burn out you deserve to get hit with what ever comes off the tires IMO.

[HidalgoGT]

I was done with this also but I have to say bravo to Balaska for telling it like it is (as I do also). as to the rocks if your dumb enough to stand behind a car at any track doing a burn out you deserve to get hit with what ever comes off the tires IMO.

So, I guess the stageing lanes where they are set up is our fault? Unless they changed them you were set up directly behind the water box.

[gmkillr]

Just let it go guys, these two apparently just feel differently about the subject. 99% of us must be wrong, and these two (1%) must be right........:rolleyes:


Unsubscribing.......:tearsofjoy:

[Cam99]

Just let it go guys, these two apparently just feel differently about the subject. 99% of us must be wrong, and these two (1%) must be right........:rolleyes:


Unsubscribing.......:tearsofjoy:

Agreed and done.

[u1arunit]

I was done with this thread. I wish I was on payroll. What can't I post on something that I believe or what I just have to agree with the majority. Sorry I have a backbone and I'll say what ever I feel needs to be said. I dont even really know Casper he just happens to feel the same way as does a lot of people.

You want to talk about getting old. Ill tell you whats getting old. Its reading all the post about PRP on here when half of you don't know what you're talking about. So when I don't have to read your B.S. you wont have to read mine. I'm not making stuff up I'm just stating the facts.

Agreed. And opinion is fact until challenged. ;)


I was done with this also but I have to say bravo to Balaska for telling it like it is (as I do also). as to the rocks if your dumb enough to stand behind a car at any track doing a burn out you deserve to get hit with what ever comes off the tires IMO.

HELLO! The staging lanes are DIRECTLY behind the burnout box for the street tire cars. A friend of mine had a rock hit his windshield and crack it. It's enough to make you pay attention for sure.


So, I guess the stageing lanes where they are set up is our fault? Unless they changed them you were set up directly behind the water box.

See above.


Agreed and done.

Yep, me too.

I won't be posting any more either regarding this matter. :nono:

[Balaska347]

Just let it go guys, these two apparently just feel differently about the subject. 99% of us must be wrong, and these two (1%) must be right........:rolleyes:


Unsubscribing.......:tearsofjoy:

Yes 99% of the guys on here but I'll bet not 99% of the people that go to PRP. :rolleyes: On most of the things there is no right or wrong answer it is a matter of personal experiences. Unfortunately for most of the guys on here the experience isn't as good as mine or caspers so we will have to agree to disagree. :yes:

I agree that the staging lane being behind the the burnout box is retarded and I have definitely seen stones go that far easily. Unfortunately, its been that way since keystone days. The good thing is at the end of this season that will be no longer. But I know PRP sucks and it doesn't improve. :goodidea:

I agree with being down with this thread but I guarantee it will be back next year.:yes: It always is.

[phillysrt4]

I agree with being down with this thread but I guarantee it will be back next year.:yes: It always is.

and what does that say about PRP and their supposed "working to improve things" BS?

Like i said before, I'll believe it when i see it.

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[fin1]

So, I guess the stageing lanes where they are set up is our fault? Unless they changed them you were set up directly behind the water box.


PRP is not the only track like this. O'Reilly Raceway Park in Indy has the staging lanes directly behind the burnout box. E-Town in Jersey is the same way.

[somethingclever]

I agree with being down with this thread but I guarantee it will be back next year.:yes: It always is.


I'm not making it next yr! :biglaugh:

I honestly didn't expect to get this kind of response. I've been pretty steady up there for TNT for the past 3 yrs...but it's apparant that many people who have been going much longer are fed up with various things much more than myself. I made the post as more of a rant than a complaint, since I stayed up late getting my car ready the night before.

Shooting rocks at the front row of cars is retarded.....no one can argue that. I'm glad to hear that will be changed for next yr...for this yr i'll be sure to stay toward the back of the pack.


That said....i hope the weather works out for this weekend....i'll be there Saturday for TnT....location wise, PRP is the only game in town for me.

[Balaska347]

I'm hoping to be there too to get some new numbers. The part that sucks is the weather doesn't look good but its still early. Hope to see you there.

[phillysrt4]

40% chance of Thunderstorms tomorrow, 30% chance thursday at the track

consider the weekend called off.

[Jivepepper]

40% chance of Thunderstorms tomorrow, 30% chance thursday at the track

consider the weekend called off.


I know, I was really looking forward to going.