Completely off topic BS thread!!!

[George C]

I am normally not pro-tax, but I sell asphalt for a living, so I'm somewhat familiar with the funding. Some days I struggle with it because it's like corporate welfare... if we're selling to a PA DOT job... I/we/you pay taxes, PA DOT gets funded, PA DOT lets jobs out for bid. Contractor ABC gets job, pays workers (who pay more income taxes), buys equipment (that they pay sales tax on), buys materials (ie: stone and asphalt that they pay income taxes on), etc. The peeps who sold the equipment and materials pay income taxes on their salaries, too. It's a vicious cycle... so PA DOT keeps getting funded and letting more jobs to infinity.

Now, you wanna bitch about the PA budget? No offense if somebody (or their significant other) is a current teacher, but you didn't create this situation... why on God's green earth are we still paying all of these bazillion ex-school teachers full state-funded pensions? Every body else in the free market system has been bounced to a 401K at some point in the last 15 years. NO profitable businesses are paying into an old-school full pension for anybody anymore... Retired teachers are getting full pensions PLUS social security. Current teachers pay NADA into a retirement fund... and it continues and they bitch about pay and go on strike from time to time. WTF?

So you want pensions taken away from ppl? Teachers arent only ones with pensions


401k is a bullshit crapshoot

[Monkeygrits]

Fair enough... but Sonoma is a road course. haha I went to Watkins Glen last year and had a great time!

We go to Martinsville and Richmond every year. Gonna talk the wife into Watkins Glenn next year I think. Charlotte is our favorite track. All the Nascar stuff to do there and great racing. Not to mention they run the world of outlaws sprint cars there on the dirt track Friday evening.

[Troll]

So you want pensions taken away from ppl? Teachers arent only ones with pensions

I didn't say that. System needs fixed. What I'm saying is your vanity plate up-charge is supposed to go to ACT 89 (which is for roads/bridges/infrastructure), but your Governor is probably going to steal that money and pay pensions with it. So, I'll assume you're cool with your up-charge now that you know it pays those "state-funded" pensions you're worried about ???

[Ares]

any estimated ETA? I hadn't seen any updates in your thread. I'm waiting to see it out ...

If it taking too long, maybe a rent a racer is due, truck, some car, whatever ... Every time I get burned out I get in something somewhat boring and it seems to energize me again. I took a "weekend" off from mine after Columbus because it was starting to feel like a job. Took Tracis convertible out Friday night and it got me going again ... Had the motor lifted up tonight (moved it forward), trans is out andits down to the flywheel right now ... Going through everything as it goes back together, but it's feeling good again. I might even test Saturday night, if it's not ready it should be to go to Mason Dixon Sunday ....

Doubtful at all this year to seeing a track. I got in deep but it was needed badly. Strut tower in around frame was total fubar from drain holes being blocked from k-member. Left side was full of dirt and what was left of lower strut tower in the frame rail.

[George C]

I didn't say that. System needs fixed. What I'm saying is your vanity plate up-charge is supposed to go to ACT 89 (which is for roads/bridges/infrastructure), but your Governor is probably going to steal that money and pay pensions with it. So, I'll assume you're cool with your up-charge now that you know it pays those "state-funded" pensions you're worried about ???

That worthless fawk is gonna pocket any additional income

Im for pensions as i have one collecting, so pensions do have a place


Wolf obama perduto and clinton all need to be put on an island together

[PaxtonShelby]

Was at a 7-Eleven tonight and they had Hillary Presidential playing cards for sale at the counter. I told the clerk "I hope those aren't nudie cards!" He was still laughing when I left the store.

[Monkeygrits]

I remember wanting the sporty Beretta as a kid when it first was released. Not sure about this. If I had a mullet to blow in the wind maybe.

[PaxtonShelby]

^^^^ Looks like an Amphicar gone wrong.

[Troll]

so, no google, no lie... I'm thinking the Beretta had the same 2.8L V6 that was in the Z24? 130hp and 160tq ? doesn't sound like much, but that car was made out of tinfoil... maybe 2,800 lbs? it was no joke. bawahahahahahaha especially the teal one with pink graphics.

[juice_man_86]

I too have one of those nonexistent jobs with a pension

[Stangman701]

I got one of my worst speeding tickets ever in an ex-gf's Beretta. I was racing a Sunfire, LOL. At least I won

[Mark Aubele]

I wish I paid $150 for my truck!!
$495 here.

Mine just came in. 530 ****ing dollars.

[Jeff95TA]

So you want pensions taken away from ppl? Teachers arent only ones with pensions


401k is a bullshit crapshoot

401k doesn't have to be a crapshoot. Almost all 401k's have money market and bond options to invest in vs. higher risk stocks, they just don't typically have as much return.

Having a known pension amount at retirement is nice, but there can be issues with funding them sometimes. It's hard to tell what a company's financial situation will be far in the future (whether it's economy based, poor management, etc.). The money for government pensions relies on bringing in tax money. If pensions can't be covered, some type of tax increase (or budget changes) will have to be made, or go further in debt.

Whether pensions are appropriate for teachers, government workers, etc., is a whole other issue and kind of depends on total compensation (including benefits, which do have monetary value in addition to just salary). Might have low salaries but a good pension, so it's essentially an end-loaded compensation plan.

That's why 401k's are becoming more common. You really need to ride out the market fluctuations with a 401k. I'd be more than happy to opt out of Social Security in lieu of a 401k type of account. It's more or less a pension that isn't self-sustaining.

That's my $0.02!

[George C]

Not all pensions are funded by companies...my pension is funded by my trade and its workers. Same thing with my annuity...work so many hours ans money is put into it

Im also union so im pro-pension

Never been a fan of a 401k...to easy to get screwed imho especially now with what looks like clinton possibly becoming the first **** in office

[PaxtonShelby]

With proper planning you can't go wrong over the long term in a 401k.

[George C]

Can you plan around stock market? Nope i took a hit years ago when had a 401k

[PaxtonShelby]

The good planners can keep you safe.

[wick]

Mine just came in. 530 ****ing dollars.

Dang!! Guess that what mine will be next year. Great!!

[George C]

The good planners can keep you safe.

Sure......do you believe in fairy tales also....or do you believe the words from obama's mouth or words from clintons mouth

[CobraII]

I don't like or trust Clinton either, but I see no need in crass name calling.