Obama for President!

[stieny]

What was your major & what are your career goals?



We're throwing out factual information in the hopes that it will stick. You're right that "we" need to do a better job at posting the McCain stance, however I'm not even sure that anyone will even freaking read it.

Steiny will pick a post that is side talk, rather than face the issues.

You'll complain about how everyone is filling the thread with crap - yet miraculously overlook anything objective that is posted & bitch about pity things (like a name - if you think that his name is a problem, fine. Calling someone their full name shouldn't get a rise out of you, if it does - you're already in over your head.)

Travj31 will just quote Obama 08 and agree with it and then be a phantom.

94svtcobra started off poorly, then responded well - but has since been a phantom.

Slow01GT made some good posts, hats off to him. Although my personal belief of why other countries favor Obama is about as simple as Tomlin favoring Romeo Cornell as the Browns coach - it makes them easier to beat. I know that there is much more to it than that, but that is an underlying factor - especially since France, Germany, England and a number of other countries have all elected conservative leaders. Conservatives trying to build their country to be the best it can be, go figure.

Wow, alright. I've stated my likes and reasons for Obama time and time again and yet you still act as if I do not know anything. Sorry that we disagree on the issues but that happens in politics. You vote for who you want to and I'll vote for who I want to. I've given you the credit you deserve for your efforts. You support your candidate well. Kudos to you but IMO its not cool to presume that I am ignorant to this whole thing or that I am supporting Obama without any real reason.

Oh, and FWIW, slow01 and I have exactly the same mind set concerning the race. He has stated those issues time and time again so I haven't bothered to venture down that road.

[Twin01cobra]

That's a terrible way to look at it.

Why should we the tax payers pay for a poorly mismanaged company?

[Twin01cobra]

This bores me...

I'm Twin01cobra and I approve this message

[stieny]

Why should we the tax payers pay for a poorly mismanaged company?

I'm just thankful you don't hold any kind of political power. The fact that you think the company was mis-managed or they are already paid to much is meaningless. You can't just say "oh well, fug em because I don't use buses". I don't use them either but how about the rest of the city that does? The fact of the matter is that when you are in a position of power, you might have to deal with a union as crappy as they can be sometimes and you can't just blow them off. Paying an extra .40 a drink seems much better then having the whole transit company strike.

If you gave another alternative of what to do I wouldn't care as much but when you say "who cares if they strike, I personally don't use public transportation", that makes about as much sense as other political stuff you've posted.

[wick]

stieny, I assume you work for the port authority. Just by the way you are defending the hell out of them. They get enough money from the fare increases they pose every year. To have a salary close to 100K for an idiot to drive around a city all day long is abserd. Thats a 30k job at the most. It is the unions that protect and get all this bullshit. You could teach a monkey to drive the exact same route over and over again. Then you would only have to pay some bananas. HAHAHAHAH

[stieny]

stieny, I assume you work for the port authority. Just by the way you are defending the hell out of them. They get enough money from the fare increases they pose every year. To have a salary close to 100K for an idiot to drive around a city all day long is abserd. Thats a 30k job at the most. It is the unions that protect and get all this bullshit. You could teach a monkey to drive the exact same route over and over again. Then you would only have to pay some bananas. HAHAHAHAH

Again, assumptions and ignorance.

No, I don't work for the port authority. I never said I agreed with their salaries either. My point was simply that you cannot blow off a problem like that with a shrug of the shoulder. You can't just say "oh well, it doesn't affect me so I'll ignore it". That doesn't fix the problem.

[MBH]

Again, assumptions and ignorance.

No, I don't work for the port authority. I never said I agreed with their salaries either. My point was simply that you cannot blow off a problem like that with a shrug of the shoulder. You can't just say "oh well, it doesn't affect me so I'll ignore it". That doesn't fix the problem.

While you can't just blow off the problem, your solution is to just give in to whatever demands there are - for easily replaceable and overpaid bus drivers, etc.

I'm an advocate of re-evaluating the expenses of taxes before blindly upping them. Their wages are already inflated, and will continue to be increasingly preposterous with your mindset - but that seems to be the democratic way. I know I've taken a lot of shots at you, and I told myself I was going to stop - but that needs to be said.

[wick]

Again, assumptions and ignorance.

No, I don't work for the port authority. I never said I agreed with their salaries either. My point was simply that you cannot blow off a problem like that with a shrug of the shoulder. You can't just say "oh well, it doesn't affect me so I'll ignore it". That doesn't fix the problem.

No ignorance here. I know a bunch of people who work for them Its just not right the salary's they get and yet they are in great financial trouble. Time for a paycut and get like every other company out there and pay for healthcare.

[stieny]

While you can't just blow off the problem, your solution is to just give in to whatever demands there are - for easily replaceable and overpaid bus drivers, etc.

I'm an advocate of re-evaluating the expenses of taxes before blindly upping them. Their wages are already inflated, and will continue to be increasingly preposterous with your mindset - but that seems to be the democratic way. I know I've taken a lot of shots at you, and I told myself I was going to stop - but that needs to be said.

Do you know the exact conversations or attempts made to resolve the problem? Do you know that they just rolled over and gave into the union? I don't and I can make a safe bet that you weren't there during the whole process so you don't either. Labor relations can be difficult at times.

I never said I agreed with their salaries nor did I ever say that you should just give in to whatever their demands are.

For the third time, I simply stated that saying that the problem doesn't concern you so you don't care what the transit authority does is the worst way to view it and would never solve the problem. I even stated that I wouldn't care as much if he would have just given a different alternative, one that doesn't involve saying "eh, who cares, I don't use a bus, let them strike".

[stieny]

No ignorance here. I know a bunch of people who work for them Its just not right the salary's they get and yet they are in great financial trouble. Time for a paycut and get like every other company out there and pay for healthcare.

Like I said in the post above, labor relations are difficult at times. Things are not always that easy and life isn't always fair.

[MBH]

Like I said in the post above, labor relations are difficult at times. Things are not always that easy and life isn't always fair.

While true, that still doesn't justify a great majority of gubberment spending. If they ran the government more like a business and less like a charity, our country would be better off. That is all I'm saying.

Also, I don't think I need to be present in those meetings to pass judgment about the value of an easily replaceable job. You might as well say that the rich deserve to get taxed more because they make more. Yeah, great idea. That will really motivate people to take risks and stimulate growth in the economy. (I'm going to save my explanation, if you would like one - I would be more than happy to give you one if you, or anyone, doesn't understand why I say that.)

[wick]

For the third time, I simply stated that saying that the problem doesn't concern you so you don't care what the transit authority does is the worst way to view it and would never solve the problem. I even stated that I wouldn't care as much if he would have just given a different alternative, one that doesn't involve saying "eh, who cares, I don't use a bus, let them strike".

Please enlighten e upon when I said this. You keep pounding this now to a third time. You "assume", your words not mine, that I keep saying to let 'em strike. I didnt say that.

[wick]

Perhaps congress will be lazy like they were 8 years ago and keep letting wallstreet run itself. They did a great job at running themselves into the ground. Good job congess!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stieny]

Please enlighten e upon when I said this. You keep pounding this now to a third time. You "assume", your words not mine, that I keep saying to let 'em strike. I didnt say that.

You didn't say that personally, someone else did. I'm using the word "you" loosely. "You" can't just let something that the people in the economy rely on strike just because you don't use it yourself.

Also, I don't think I need to be present in those meetings to pass judgment about the value of an easily replaceable job. You might as well say that the rich deserve to get taxed more because they make more. Yeah, great idea. That will really motivate people to take risks and stimulate growth in the economy. (I'm going to save my explanation, if you would like one - I would be more than happy to give you one if you, or anyone, doesn't understand why I say that.)

You don't have to be in those meetings to pass judgement but on the same token, seems a bit absurd to automatically say that they just gave into all the unions demands. Also, replacing the jobs are not always that easy. Companies that deal with the NLRB have some tough choices to make at times.

[wick]

You didn't say that personally, someone else did. I'm using the word "you" loosely. "You" can't just let something that the people in the economy rely on strike just because you don't use it yourself.

Gotcha.

[MBH]

You don't have to be in those meetings to pass judgement but on the same token, seems a bit absurd to automatically say that they just gave into all the unions demands. Also, replacing the jobs are not always that easy. Companies that deal with the NLRB have some tough choices to make at times.

[Twin01cobra]

I'm just thankful you don't hold any kind of political power. The fact that you think the company was mis-managed or they are already paid to much is meaningless. You can't just say "oh well, fug em because I don't use buses". I don't use them either but how about the rest of the city that does? The fact of the matter is that when you are in a position of power, you might have to deal with a union as crappy as they can be sometimes and you can't just blow them off. Paying an extra .40 a drink seems much better then having the whole transit company strike.

If you gave another alternative of what to do I wouldn't care as much but when you say "who cares if they strike, I personally don't use public transportation", that makes about as much sense as other political stuff you've posted.

Let them strike, then maybe another private transpotation company can come in and provide a little competition, not a bad idea ya think. Maybe then the fairs can be reduced due to non over paid employee's. That's what the unions are worried about, competition. Again, why should someone who goes out for a drink be responsible for helping to pay someone's elses salary, and by doing this to benefit port authority they in return hurt the people who own the bar or restaurant.
If I did hold any political power you can bet your a** I would do everything I could to eliminate all the handout programs, and everything I could to greatly reduce taxes. Also ship every illegal immagrant in this country back to where they came from.

[Inkdcountryboy]

Let them strike, then maybe another private transpotation company can come in and provide a little competition, not a bad idea ya think. Maybe then the fairs can be reduced due to non over paid employee's. That's what the unions are worried about, competition. Again, why should someone who goes out for a drink be responsible for helping to pay someone's elses salary, and by doing this to benefit port authority they in return hurt the people who own the bar or restaurant.
If I did hold any political power you can bet your a** I would do everything I could to eliminate all the handout programs, and everything I could to greatly reduce taxes. Also ship every illegal immagrant in this country back to where they came from.

Id vote for ya...no more hand outs or press 2 for english

[Twin01cobra]

Id vote for ya...no more hand outs or press 2 for english

Maybe in 4 years, I'll start campaigning now

[v6mustang01]

Has anyone heard about obama's plan to take away the 401k plan...i only heard bits n pieces n not enough to know whats what..but could sumone enlighten me?