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    I believe one of the most needed areas of improvement for many is staging. I will assume since this is the Drag Racing part of this site, that most of you that are interested in or want to try bracket racing have at least taken passes in your cars at PRP or some other track and that you understand the basic, burnout, stage, go, turnoff, time ticket procedure.

    Staging...for bracket racing is much more complicated than rolling into the beams and lighting up both sets of prestage lights and going. There are 2 beams a stage beam and pre-stage beam. When you break the pre-stage beam the pre-stage bulbs light, you then have to roll 7 inches to light the stage bulb. If you roll 4.5 inches further the pre-stage beam will turn off, this is deep staging (I will cover that later).

    I watch a lot of cars go down the race track. I am always amazed by how many racers just roll right in, and go. You will get MUCH more consistent E.T's and reaction times if you stage slowly and methodically. When you light the pre-stage beam, take a second and collect yourself and focus. Then you can begin to ease in to stage. I personally do the bump method when I am footbraking, I bring my RPM's up to 2500-3300 wherever I am that day, and then begin pumping the brake pedal just so the car moves ever so slightly, every time. I then bump just until the stage bulb barely turns on and stop there. Most likely I am an inch or less into the beam. This will get you quicker E.T.s and more consistent reaction times. The reason the e.t.s are quicker is that your tire has to move further before leaving the starting beam. This allows more of a "run" at the starting beam and the car in theory get a running start.

    Deep staging (rolling in that extra 4.5 inches and turning off the pre-stage bulbs) will slow your e.t. about a .08-.1. It will also decrease your reaction time. The amount that it reduces your reaction time varies for each person. The reason that many do this is that their car reacts to slowly to consistently cut a light off the 3rd amber.

    Questions about what I have just covered are more than welcome, anything that may need clarified. I typed it pretty quickly when I had a break here at school.
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    Another nice overview on Stagin. Couldn't of explained it any better. First time I raced an event I lost to a 17-18 second car in the first round that double bulbed me then deep staged me real quick and I red light! The way the tree notches down from his light, then my light a second er so after that an so on, screwed me up. I went kinda on his last yellow and my sec yellow and was like SOB!
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    I was wanderin if anybody knows if PRP got redone/renovated over the winter or not? It was supposed to be for IHRA and Nitro cars!
    Gettin the starting line and burnout box moved back and widein'd to make the track longer for a better run off. Better grand stands, spectator parking, and paved pit parkin. It doesn't have any updates about it on the site at all!
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    As far as I know when they postponed the national till 2010 the track upgrades went with it. Thats been my understanding since Summer time when they announced the postponed National.

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    True that...

    ...I didn't know they postponed it till then. So it'll be done after this season i'm guessin! Your a regular up there right? You should post some pics of your ride up, I'd like to check it out. I might of seen u up there racin before.
    Quote Originally Posted by NovaPRP View Post
    As far as I know when they postponed the national till 2010 the track upgrades went with it. Thats been my understanding since Summer time when they announced the postponed National.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamantiumSilvr View Post
    ...I didn't know they postponed it till then. So it'll be done after this season i'm guessin! Your a regular up there right? You should post some pics of your ride up, I'd like to check it out. I might of seen u up there racin before.
    A regular would probably be a bit of an understatement...lol Here is my car...


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    NICEE, pullin the wheels an all!! Yeah, I saw u run before. Your last name happen to be Romeo? I think thats how it's spelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang50lx View Post
    Sandbagging used to get you disqualified and in my humble opinion still should.
    what Glen is talking about is racing the stripe more than sandbagging. the younger guy's may not remeber but way back when (no we weren't racing dinosaur's ) if the tower saw brake light's before a win light, the person braking was disqualified. hope that clears that up.
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    This part feels gooooood too... especially when you drop an .017 package down on your buddy and teammate. :D I was .017 on the reaction time, dead on the dial in the final round of no box against Balaska347.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamantiumSilvr View Post
    NICEE, pullin the wheels an all!! Yeah, I saw u run before. Your last name happen to be Romeo? I think thats how it's spelled.
    Yep, NovaPRP is Mark Romeo.

    The link has info on the reasoning behind postponing the national event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaPRP View Post
    I believe one of the most needed areas of improvement for many is staging. I will assume since this is the Drag Racing part of this site, that most of you that are interested in or want to try bracket racing have at least taken passes in your cars at PRP or some other track and that you understand the basic, burnout, stage, go, turnoff, time ticket procedure.
    Actually Mark, I'm glad you brought that up. That's a good segue into knowing the racetrack itself. This goes for any racetrack you visit for the first time... make sure you know how it's laid out. Know where the finish line is most especially. We've seen people stay full throttle well after the finish line, and then end up in a panic stop, or even into the PRP beach (sandtrap). At PRP, on the right side, there is a break turn off immediately after the finish line, followed by 2 more a few hundred feet after, and 1 at the very end, by the sandtrap. The left side has at least 2 turnoffs as well. On test n tune days, usually only the right side ticket booth is open, so you want to turn off on that side, drive easily down the return road, and pick up your timeslip. On race days, the left side ticket booth is open also, so you can turn off on either side, whatever is easier for you to get your timeslip. Once you're past the ticket booth, you're coming into the pits. Be careful, drive it slow and under control... I don't know why, but people forget they're at a racetrack, and will wander out into the return road, and look at you like you're the one who is doing something wrong by actually driving on the asphalt road. Kids can dart out, people on quads or golf carts don't pay attention... just keep your eyes open.
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    One of the...

    ...times @ PRP near the starting line fence when I was watchin, I talked to the mom Romeo who was there rootin one of here sons on. I was like how many are there, I thought I saw like 10 Romeo's run! LOL She said i think 4 or somehtin and was kinda like family thing. And said they only live a few miles away, and one of'em won that night!
    I know I went to the Mopar Nationals there last year and my buddy entered his 04' neon in the show and when it was close to bein over, he parked in the main show area and next to my buddy's neon there was a Romeo's car! Cracked me up!

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraII View Post
    Yep, NovaPRP is Mark Romeo.

    The link has info on the reasoning behind postponing the national event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balaska347 View Post
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    bwahahahahaahahahahahah.... yeah, I haven't heard that before either
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    After that first race...

    ...I entered on Father's day, I exited both sides of the strip to pick up my tickets! Then I went to my first TnT after that and exited on the left side and I was like where's my ticket? Oh, must be on the other side. So I turned around and after the next two cars passed I went across the end of the strip to the other side to get my ticket, BIG MISTAKE!!!! The PRP staff flaged me down and flipped out on me and was gonna kick me out! They said did u see the sign, I was like what sign. The sign at the end of the track, I said no. But I said I'm sooo sorry, and I got lucky n they let me go that time thank GOD and the next pass I saw it. IT SAID DO NOT CROSS TRACK, I think of some sort. So be very aware of the rules and pay close attention to signs! Ask some buddy's questions and what to do if your not sure. Me, I just threw myself into it not know too much of anything or anybody! So be safe, careful, and observant!
    Quote Originally Posted by CobraII View Post
    Actually Mark, I'm glad you brought that up. That's a good segue into knowing the racetrack itself. This goes for any racetrack you visit for the first time... make sure you know how it's laid out. Know where the finish line is most especially. We've seen people stay full throttle well after the finish line, and then end up in a panic stop, or even into the PRP beach (sandtrap). At PRP, on the right side, there is a break turn off immediately after the finish line, followed by 2 more a few hundred feet after, and 1 at the very end, by the sandtrap. The left side has at least 2 turnoffs as well. On test n tune days, usually only the right side ticket booth is open, so you want to turn off on that side, drive easily down the return road, and pick up your timeslip. On race days, the left side ticket booth is open also, so you can turn off on either side, whatever is easier for you to get your timeslip. Once you're past the ticket booth, you're coming into the pits. Be careful, drive it slow and under control... I don't know why, but people forget they're at a racetrack, and will wander out into the return road, and look at you like you're the one who is doing something wrong by actually driving on the asphalt road. Kids can dart out, people on quads or golf carts don't pay attention... just keep your eyes open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamantiumSilvr View Post
    ...times @ PRP near the starting line fence when I was watchin, I talked to the mom Romeo who was there rootin one of here sons on. I was like how many are there, I thought I saw like 10 Romeo's run! LOL She said i think 4 or somehtin and was kinda like family thing. And said they only live a few miles away, and one of'em won that night!
    I know I went to the Mopar Nationals there last year and my buddy entered his 04' neon in the show and when it was close to bein over, he parked in the main show area and next to my buddy's neon there was a Romeo's car! Cracked me up!
    Thats awesome that you got to speak to my mom. It is pretty neat that we all race and have a great time. It really is a family sport!! We do have a lot of cars at the track on any given day, 4 cars that are our's (owned by us) and then Kevin drives a dragster for Bob Jones (7.30's at 180+) and we also have a very good friend in our pit area Joey Pinskey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin0660 View Post
    bwahahahahaahahahahahah.... yeah, I haven't heard that before either

    You heard that before and to think I thought I made it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Balaska347 View Post
    Here's a picture of mine.

    Dude, your pit beotch rocks! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaPRP View Post
    A regular would probably be a bit of an understatement...lol
    We're not into this at, noooooooo....

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