Some asshole!!!! EVERYBODY READ!!

[cam303]

Killer Canary I was unaware your name was paul. I was told the guy in the original thread, white gt or something, his name was paul. Killer Canary I meant zero at you. If you inferred that, I am sorry.

Now to the continuation of bashing posts.......

Instead of everyone getting p*ssed off at me for having an opinion different than YOURS, might I suggest you do some RESEARCH vs just believing what you are being told and tossing smack at me. As I said and asked, if it is SO EASY to bolt together an engine with H-C-I on a stock un-flycut short block, that had not been run for 1 year, and within 2 passes lay down middle 10's, then to ALL OF YOU WITH A POWER ADDER and/or a stroker, why is it after many and many runs you do not run that quick? Why did YOU waste your money on an engine if all you needed was an OTS cam, some TFS TW heads, and a long runner restrictor plate disguised as EFI? If it is so easy, why does Tony Bischoff at BES charge almost 10k for a Pure Street SHORTBLOCK? Why are the FASTEST cars in Pure Street ALL carbureted and they have a PENALTY for the carb and EFI gets a break?

I have a lot more on this subject I can add. I am quite sure I have been down the track many more times than most here and have a "good" understanding of how to do more with less.

Its easy to set on the other end and simply believe what you are being told. Hell for YEARS in Pro-Stock no one believed that Darrel Alderman and Scott Geoffrion (Wayne County Dodge) were running NOS in Pro Stock.......Until they were caught and the "alledged" break in. I, for one, BELIEVED they were running 6's before Bob Glidden and Bill Glidden. So believe what you will. In reality, I don't care.

What I do care about is you folks that want to bash me for having an opinion different than yours. I have given you PLENTY of things to go and research. I stand by what I think.......if he is/was THAT GOOD, he would be running a class car somewhere and FOR SURE he would be setting up ALL of the Pure Street cars.

I think that what you fail to understand is a pure street cars weigh 300 to 400 pounds more than his car does, they have to run a 26" tall slick, and there are some other limitations on the class cars we do not have to adhere too. Also these times were run in mine shaft conditions.
I understand you have been around racing for a long time so I cant understand why you think running these times in these conditions is so difficult.
You say that the car was slapped together and it just ran those times. That is totally untrue. the combo in this car has been evolving for years. Yes it came out and ran its best times after sitting for a year but in that year there was a little more weight taken off of the car.
With your bashing him and saying there is no way you are bashing me also because I have been there in about every step of the build on this car. That is why I posted the other thread that was closed. When I saw it it pissed me off and I wanted to vent. I did not go onto any of the national sites because I was not looking to make a big stink about it.
You also said he was banned from the other site for spreading misinformation...What have you been doing? The car has never been to MIR or buds creek...

You tell me what it would take to make you believe that the car is what it is?
I dont really care what you think about it but after reading that I would love to see you eat your words.
We can all get along....we will prove it to you, you will take back the lies, and I will apoligize for what I said in the thread I started.

[MBH]

post #50

WTF did Paul tell rhino off for then?

Fwiw, I'm going to tape my next grocery receipt to my rear window in honor of all the panties purestock has gotten into a bunch lmao.

Epic thread. Thanks for the laughs jay.

[Troll]

Fwiw, I'm going to tape my next grocery receipt to my rear window in honor of all the panties purestock has gotten into a bunch lmao.

Epic thread. Thanks for the laughs jay.

^^^ epic post.

I can understand a guy getting pulled onto a website and trying to defend his name and his company's name, but you're coming off kinda coarse, man.

We got a decent little community here and (IN MY OPINION) you just made yourself look like an asshole in front of 2,xxx western Pennsylvanians. That can't be too good for business.

Relax, rewind... and start yourself a nice little introduction thread.

[Killercanary]

Killer Canary I was unaware your name was paul. I was told the guy in the original thread, white gt or something, his name was paul. Killer Canary I meant zero at you. If you inferred that, I am sorry.

To say I was confused when I read your 1st post was an understatement, but thanks for clearing it up and for the apology.



Bo, from your replies I think you misread my post and think it was directed to Ryan (I'm guessing rhino is Ryan) when it was actually directed to Jay. Re-read post 69 again, my quote from Ryan was to show Jay that it was he, and not I, that made the comment. Does that clear it up?

[MBH]

Paul, that does clear it up thank you. I was trying to catch up just skimming through on this and I felt like I was taking crazy pills lol

[Killercanary]

No problem Bo!

[SAC81]

My first thought was to post "People get WAYYYY to into this stuff", but then I thought "Well, for some of these guys, it's their living", so I decided not too.

The internet sure is a strange place.

[Pure Stock]

1. Highest peak number recorded on a 248c Dynojet "374.31" STD RWHP

2. Race weight with driver 2,835

3. Best mph 126.06 (most runs avg. "about" 125.5)

4. A formula that utilizes trap speed and vehicle weight to *estimate* FWHP.

e.g., 126.06 / 232.3 = .5426604, take that value and cube it. Which equals .1598028 * (race weight-2835 lbs.-) = 453.04082 FWHP

Then, take that FWHP estimation and multiply it by .83, again estimating 17% loss through Tremec TKO trans. That equals 376.02388 RWHP


Less than 2 RWHP difference from that *particular* formula. Will other formulas show more of a discrepency? I'd say most likely.

5. 453.04082 / 301.5936 = 1.5021566 FWHP per cubic inch displacement.

This FWHP per cubic inch value is not out of the ordinary and can be achieved with a matched induction and peripherals.

6. An old stock eliminator formula used by the mopar guys back in the day. e.g., e.t. * mph = 1335 would be considered a perfect pass according to that formula. My numbers 126.06 * 10.592 = 1335.2275

7. Ideal e.t. formula 1353 / mph My numbers 1353 / 126.06 = 10.732984 - 10.592 = .1409843 below ideal e.t. for a given mph Another example 1353 /125.52 = 10.779159 - 10.595 = .1841587 below ideal e.t. This is one way to interpret the e.t. vs. mph package.

This is not a street car and has been revised many times and will continue to be revised in search of more efficiency. Many parts other than the engine have been analyzed and critiqued which contribute to the e.t/mph relationship.

The car has been dynoed around 25-30 times and has backed up new bests repeatedly.

[Hawkeye]

^^^ epic post.

I can understand a guy getting pulled onto a website and trying to defend his name and his company's name, but you're coming off kinda coarse, man.

We got a decent little community here and (IN MY OPINION) you just made yourself look like an asshole in front of 2,xxx western Pennsylvanians. That can't be too good for business.

Relax, rewind... and start yourself a nice little introduction thread.

Well said......X2.

[yeahloh95]

wait a minute those are facts not opinion ???

[billyNOTnice]

I'd love to see this car go make some runs a be torn down on scene to put this all to rest. If it is what he claims... boy there is going to be a long long long long line of appologies to be passed out lol. personally, well done on the time, and those wheelie pics you posted a while back. I could care less how you did it, but it sure looked good doing it.

[2001GTTT]

I find it hilarious that a guy cant run his own car without people criticizing and doubting left and right. If your life is that pitiful where you have to be so concerned over one guy's car and acting like a 12 year old calling him a liar and whatever else im sure joe has been called go somewhere and be a dick with everyone else that think they know everything.

Oh, and just so no one gets butthurt over that statement it is not aimed at any one particular person.

[Pure Stock]

wait a minute those are facts not opinion ???

Can you believe that Troy? From america's no.1 bullshitter. I just can't be...

[gmkillr]

Joe, Is the teardown still going to happen? Im curious to when and where it will be as I would love to attend with video camera in hand.

[Killercanary]

I told you this before Joe but to hell with the tear down. Why waste your time and money? The nay-sayers will still be there claiming BS no matter what you do. Spend that time and money on YOUR car for YOU and no one else. That's my $0.02.

[somethingclever]

The 10.59 @ 126 is uncorrected, right? (the whole point of attending a track rental at a near sea level track in November)


I don't see what's so hard to believe then, given the corrected SAE rwhp numbers you list.

My old cobra trapped 123-124 in the right lane at PRP in the fall. It made 505rwhp SAE and weighed 3850 w/ driver. Power to wt ratio of 7.624.

You posted your car weighs 2825lbs and makes 367rwhp SAE. Power to wt ratio of 7.697.

Given the DA conditions of the 126mph traps in November at a sea level track.....126mph is 100% believable IMO.

The ET describes the well thought-out susp. setup and driver ability.

[Twin01cobra]

I told you this before Joe but to hell with the tear down. Why waste your time and money? The nay-sayers will still be there claiming BS no matter what you do. Spend that time and money on YOUR car for YOU and no one else. That's my $0.02.

I agree, if you are not racing for big money then why should people even care. I would'nt tear my car down for anyone, unless there was big money on the line and you were required to do so.

I've read many of your post and you seem to know what you are doing when it comes to the 1320, just keep it up and keep pissing off the nay sayers.

[Balaska347]

I told you this before Joe but to hell with the tear down. Why waste your time and money? The nay-sayers will still be there claiming BS no matter what you do. Spend that time and money on YOUR car for YOU and no one else. That's my $0.02.

X2 Unless some of the nay-sayers are willing to put up some money if they are wrong, then screw them and let em sit there and keep wondering. What do you have to prove? We all know you have the badess stock short block fow around

[gmkillr]

For those that don't know, it was Purestocks idea for the teardown, nobody elses. He went to numerous websites and started a thread about it and said theres gonna be a teardown party, everybody bring their micrometers and beer as all facets of the engine will be measured. He came up with this on his own.

When the time approached for the date of the teardown, he didn't go to the event after he posted up about all of this and made a really big deal about it.

Would I be suprised if Joes combo was exactly as he says? NO

Would I be suprised if Joes combo was different than what he says? NO

Do I really give 2 sh$ts either way? NO

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[Inkdcountryboy]

wow people get a little involved in stuff that theres no money at stake? who cares if his car would run 10.2s on a stock shortblock? lol