self tuners...what are you running?/opinions?

[White5.0]

i was just wondering what some of the members on here are running as far as self tuners go. things such as tweecer r/t, pms, etc.

what are you running and how do you like it? and what is your setup? pros/cons of it?

im sure my stang (as well as anyone's stang) would benefit from having one. but would i benefit enough to justify spending the money for one if im only N/A right now? my combo isnt anything crazy: b303, p heads, cobra intake among other things

[Martin0660]

I typed all of my stuff out in another thread somewhere here. If you are serious about how i do things let me know and we can talk.

[White5.0]

I typed all of my stuff out in another thread somewhere here. If you are serious about how i do things let me know and we can talk.

yeah i'd be interested to know. do you know wat section the thread is under? ill try searchin around for it

[laz2447]

I want the sct 4 bank chip myself...

I have spoken with Mike from Wolfpack & Jon Lund, and both think while on my almost stock engine, my car would benefit enough to warrant a tune.

What a couple hundred bucks spent on your car anyways right?

[Martin0660]

http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer

[White5.0]

I want the sct 4 bank chip myself...

I have spoken with Mike from Wolfpack & Jon Lund, and both think while on my almost stock engine, my car would benefit enough to warrant a tune.

What a couple hundred bucks spent on your car anyways right?

that is true. i think any car can really benefit from it if you know what you're doing with it

[pRojekt02GT]

I was wanting to get the SCT 4 bank chip as well Ryan..I was told not to get it?..I only have a CAI and the UDPs..exhaust to come soon here..but, I don't know what to do with it..

[White5.0]

http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...hlight=tweecer

thanks for the links. seems like you really know your stuff when it comes to EEC strategies. so are you still running the tweecer with the binary editor? or did you get a quarterhorse? the quarterhorse + binary editor seems like a great combo

[White5.0]

whats the sct 4 bank chip all about? i havent really looked into it? does it work with other software like the binary editor or eec analyzer

[pRojekt02GT]

I don't know about the binary editor and what not..

CHeck it out on american muscle..it's fairly cheap compared to a handheld tuner..You tell them your mod's on the car, if any, and all that good stuff..then they send you the chip, plugs right into your PCM and you can switch it from say, 87 tune, to 93 tune, or back to stock tune..I think theres like 4 different settings for tunes, depending on what you want it set up for..

I just was told not to get it because there wasn't much done to my car, and it wouldn't benefit that great from it..I almost bought it just because, but then was like ah hell with it..waiting for someone more knowledgable to chime in..lol

[White5.0]

I don't know about the binary editor and what not..

CHeck it out on american muscle..it's fairly cheap compared to a handheld tuner..You tell them your mod's on the car, if any, and all that good stuff..then they send you the chip, plugs right into your PCM and you can switch it from say, 87 tune, to 93 tune, or back to stock tune..I think theres like 4 different settings for tunes, depending on what you want it set up for..

I just was told not to get it because there wasn't much done to my car, and it wouldn't benefit that great from it..I almost bought it just because, but then was like ah hell with it..waiting for someone more knowledgable to chime in..lol

i see i see.....well thats not exactly what im looking for. i dont want just a "mail order" tune from somewhere. im looking for some good software to give me almost complete control of my ecu, as well as have data-logging. i dont know if the sct 4bank supports stuff like that or not. ill have to start reading about it

[Martin0660]

so are you still running the tweecer with the binary editor?

Yes.

BTW - TwEECer is effectively a 4 bank chip. You can have a completely different tune in each of 4 positions, plus you still have a 5th or "off" position that defaults to the stock EEC binary (not a lot of use if you make big changes). I have 4 tunes in mine at any given time. I have one with the AFR set to 12:1 everywhere, one that floats AFR based on load (as it should) and then duplicates of those in two other postions that I am changing. I can flip back to my last "safe" point at any time if I screw the pooch with changes.

did you get a quarterhorse? the quarterhorse + binary editor seems like a great combo

FYI - The early quarterhorses I know of had to be returned to Moates for an update. I'm not sure if all of these where pre production pieces or actually final versions. I have a good friend with several of them in his hands but am waiting on him to confirm quarterhorse is really ready for prime time before ordering one for myself (and his car isnt running right now). I would not run out and buy Quarterhorse right now.

For sure Binary Editor and EEC Analyzer are the way to go if you are going to take on the responsibilty of self tuning, regardless of the hardware. One note, make sure you like the computer that you license. My tuning laptop died and I had to but another Binary Editor license (still pisses me off).

[White5.0]

Bob, im just wondering, are you running the regular tweecer or the r/t one? seems like the r/t one is the way to go with its data logging.

does the tweecer come with software? if so, does it just suck compared to eec analyzer and binary editor? im gonna download the analyzer and binary editor and try them out.

and ya that does suck that you had to purchase the binary editor again...at least the second purchase is cheaper than the first one according to their website

[Martin0660]

I am running a base Tweecer but for a reason. The data logging effectively didnt work for crap with the RT and the turbo 4 EEC's.

Also, you can download the "TwEECer" software from their site. It's okay for the one A9L I tried with it, but sucks for my stuff. A number of the guys that work with the 2.3 computers decided to go to binary editor and I followed their lead. One of our guys actually fixed most of the issues that realted to the 2.3 and they still would update the tweecer software to accomidate it. Clint with Binary Editor adds / fixes everything and actually responds to e-mails ;) BTW - Moates and clint worked together on quarterhose so the Binary Editor package was revise right with that release to work together from the get go. Anyway, "CalEdit" is the Tweecer software and it's also free to download and to use from their site.

For data logging I use a Innovate SSI-4 and logworks software. I'm limited to only 4 channels at a time. Keep in mind to really tune you need a wideband and need some means to log it too, and the EEC based logging isnt going to do that. I rewrote all of the code t go fro ma vane air meter to blow through mass air and got it tuned to flat 12:1 AFR under load using RPM, WBO2, TPS and MAF voltage. After the MAF tune is complete, the TPS will be replaced with my 3 Bar MAP sensor to log pressures.

You might notice i'm not telling you to go any way with this stuff :D It is a real big decission and investment to start self tuning and you REALLY need ot make sure it's right for you in the end before getting a lot in to it as far as $$$'s

[White5.0]

so you are using the SSI-4 to data log correct? and what did you use for your wideband? an LC-1?

and when it comes to widebands, are 2 wideband 02's necessary or just one? i would think one for each side.

sorry for all the questions im just starting to get into the self tuning thing and you seem to know alot about it.

[Martin0660]

so you are using the SSI-4 to data log correct?

Yes, the SSI-4 is a channel data log box that is relatively inexpensive, and versatile for simple logging.

and what did you use for your wideband? an LC-1?

I am running an AEM wideband. For the money they are hard to beat. It does burn up an input on my SSI-4 now as a use the 0-5V output as a log channel.

I might now look in to the LC2 as a better solution. A great way is their widebands and the "Auxbox" as there is a lot of data to be gained that way. Again, I tried to get in to this for the bare minimum cost at the time. The products and hardware have changed a lot since I started and besides Binary editor, havent even looked at other options becasue this works for me right now.

and when it comes to widebands, are 2 wideband 02's necessary or just one? i would think one for each side. ?

While monitoring each bank might be of interest, most tuning is done with an over all AFR. You can surely get that from one bank. That's not an issue for me so I have no direct experience (all one pipe out of turbo).

sorry for all the questions im just starting to get into the self tuning thing and you seem to know alot about it.

No problem. I had to learn with my stuff as there simply is no other way. If you want to modify the 2.3 stuff ,you either self tune or go stand alone (and self tune). This year is the first I have REALLY been deep into the Ford code. Before this it's always just been injectors, rev limits, etc. I learn something new (good and bad) every time i data log and fire up the computer.

Also keep in mind and look at the $$'s you will have in to self tuning the EEC versus a stand alone or pro tune. You can learn a lot doing ti yourself, but can also hurt a lot. That aside, if you get the best there is for tuning and add the cost up you could be at an entry level stand alone, past mega squirt, or further ahead with a pro tune on a chip.

[White5.0]

Bob thank you very much for all your help and taking the time to explain things to me i really appreciate it

[Martin0660]

No problem. I would also suggest you look into the Anderson PMs system as I've heard goo things from the 5.0 guys I know. I understand there is a ceiling to what it can do, but likely will get you going and also likely something you could get a chunk of your money back out of if you outgrow it.

If you ever want to see my set-up and see / touch the software let me know.