Winter Capri Upgrades ...

**wick** · 12-26-2009, 01:44 PM

I just bought his throttle bracket. Thanks for the link.

**Martin0660** · 12-26-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by wick

I just bought his throttle bracket.

it's a nice piece too, even if it does me no good ;) Should have told Mike I sent ya ;)

**wick** · 12-26-2009, 02:01 PM

I will send him an email saying so. HAHA I just used the paypal check out that directs it to.

**wick** · 12-26-2009, 02:05 PM

The $30 that bracket cost is better than the time I would have spent making mine look nice. Easy bolt on part.

**Martin0660** · 12-26-2009, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by wick

I will send him an email saying so.

I doubt it would do either of us any good. I justthink he is a good guy making some nice bits ;)

Originally Posted by wick

The $30 that bracket cost is better than the time I would have spent making mine look nice.

Yeah, no doubt. Plus his design solves a few issues with tall valve covers and such.

I would love to convert over to his dash panel with all "real" gauges but just can't ever justify buying all the gauges.

**yeahloh95** · 12-27-2009, 12:00 AM

those pieces look like nice work

**wick** · 12-27-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Martin0660

I would love to convert over to his dash panel with all "real" gauges but just can't ever justify buying all the gauges.

Well, I was seriousley contemplating that. I have most of the gauges except for the Speedo. I have disabled my factory ones. I would just need the speedo and fuel level gauge. I want to do that too. Perhaps next years round of mods. I did too much this year, way too much.

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 05:58 PM

Another big piece of the puzzle (confusion?) showed up today. I mentioned I was going to try something different for EMS, well here it is ...

This is a Microsquirt ECU (not MegaSquirt). This is a factory built ECU based on MS-II, V3 in a much reduced size package. To put it in perspective, this is the ECU with a single (all I have left ;) )

The unit also comes with a 3' flying lead harness...

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 06:02 PM

One of the benefits of this package is that it uses a AmpSeal connector versus the typical MS DB15

The unit is listed as IP64 for those of you that know those ratings, but is effectively weather tight (not water proof). Another big step up from the typical MS case design ...

Unit and harness with " dial caliper for size persprective ...

**biminiLX** · 01-11-2010, 06:05 PM

Small computer for a small motor :)
-J

**wick** · 01-11-2010, 06:06 PM

Thats very nice Robert. We need to continue/finish our phone conversation also. Concerning some remainder items.

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 06:08 PM

There are a few "limitations" with this package over traditional MS packages.

First, to keep the size small, the unit can only drive high Z injectors. These days with the new Siemens EV6's and fast operating times that isnt that big of a deal. I can still get 80# injectors for ~$50.00 each so it's no nbig deal to me.

Also to keep the package small, the MAP sensor was removed from the package. This is set-up to use a standard GM 3 bar MAP. This is actually an advantage IMO as I already have the GM 3 bar MAP, and do not like the MAP sensor living on the ECU. It could also be configured (software) for the AEM 4 bar if ever needed.

Outsdie of those points, it runs the traditional MS II code, and will run the Extra code. I will be using Tuner Studio for programming / tuning. to start with, I'm going to set this up as a plug in solution to the EEC connector (ditributor PIP signal and direct coil control). Once I get my feet wet with tuning this, I will move to a crank trigger and the COP LSx coils.

Pretty exciting, now we will see if the car ever runs again :D

**somethingclever** · 01-11-2010, 06:14 PM

HOw does this compare price-wise to teh AEM and Meqasquirt units?

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 06:22 PM

J- Small everything over here ;)

Rob -Give me a yell when you get a change.

Originally Posted by somethingclever

HOw does this compare price-wise to teh AEM and Meqasquirt units?

Last I saw pricing for the AEM, real cheap ;)

Compared to MS-1 or MS-II, well it depends :D If you are building your own MS, probably 2X the cost. If you are buying a prebuilt, vanila MS-II, about the same, BUT that includes the MAP sensor (it's additional here).

This was $400.00 including the flying lead harness. You would have to add the MAP sensor to that (~$65.00) and use high Z injectors. I already have the MAP, and needed to buy new injectors so that is all washed out.

I think Wilson get's $650.00 for his plug and play (bwahahahahhaha) MS-II kit for the 2.3.

For me, the MUCH better connector, sealed case, and flying lead harness far outweighed a few $$'s extra. Also keep in mind, this is a factory built and tested ECU, all potted, industrial quality versus most kits that are "hand built" regardless of buying it DIY or pre-built.

This sure will not be the solution for everyone, but I'm excited about the package.

**biminiLX** · 01-11-2010, 09:03 PM

Very nice Bob, sounds like that is a nice system.
I'd like to see what you do with it at the track, also want to see what you think of the XFI system in my car when we get to the track together one of these days.
I'll be a datalogging newbie. :)
-J

**mlowry1260** · 01-11-2010, 09:37 PM

Bob,

is there any way to datalog with this setup? It's invaluable for tuning.

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by biminiLX

also want to see what you think of the XFI system in my car when we get to the track together one of these days.

Can't wait ... i have lots of data, just need some meaning full data :D

Originally Posted by mlowry1260

is there any way to datalog with this setup?

Absolutely... Actually there are several....

First you can log to the laptop in the convential method. This records not only all inputs / outputs, but also everything happening in the ECM. You can do a full playback of the DL session, plus watch it interact on the timing, AFR, and VE maps.

Second, there is an application called PalmTune. Much like it sounds, it will let you do data logging, and do cell tuning with a palm pilot. These are neat because you can pick them up all over eBay for ~$50.00. You can't do configuration or heavy tuning, but it's great to log, then download back to the PC. You guys met Jim with the green Triumph at QCR .. he was running palm tune to log his runs there on MS-II.

Third, there are two mystery wires on the harness. These are set-up for what they call a CAN buss. Right now there is not a device that exists, but the Buss was built so that a SD device could be added. MS-III is coming and will use this to store datalogs onboard to a simple SD card. Once it is launched there, it will trickle to this set-up using the CAN Buss.

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Mark - Here is a "snip" of an open data log from mega log viewer ....

You can see in the graph view for example in the first pane RPM / MAP / TP displayed with max, min, and the real value at the line. Those can be loaded in all three panes with any ECM values as they are all saved with the data log, you just display what you are working on.....

"more important, you might note on the right, the VE table is open as well as the AFR table ... The "blue squiggle" toward the upper right corner of each tables is the target as it moves through the tables in playback mode. So as you are looking at your log data, you can see exactly where you are on the tables (VE / Timing / AFR).

all of the "gauges" on the bottom are internal used values, any of those can be moved in or out of the graphs.

This IS NOT my stuff, just a sample I had laying around. Yo ucan see this only goes to 100 kpa load so it's a NA application. My stuff will be scaled to 200 KPA

**Martin0660** · 01-11-2010, 10:25 PM

Mark (and anyone else I didnt put to sleep yet) ....

You will also see a button called "VE Analyzer" between the tables. This is effectively an autotune feature for cruise VE tables. With a speed density system, you effectively set / tune your timing table no issue, you also set your AFR table based on what you "want", but you really need to fine tune the VE table to make it "right".

Either Tuner studio, or mega log viewer will take you AFR datalog, AFR table, and VE table and compare them. Effectively, it will tune the VE table to match your AFR table, but you can't live and die by it. It simpy is another tool to get you into the zone. Ypou can actually set the authority for the tuning so that it creeps up on it with small increments, or jumps right in :D

Lots of neat little tools in there to tune with. A guy that I'm working with on this has tuned just about every type of stand alone out there and swears tuner studio is better than any of the interfaces. We will see ....