Project Lil Red

[383taman]

Hmm... intersting, maybe those dynojet nuymber have been fudge to match the mustang dyno or that mustang dyno must be pretty accurate. Nah cant be it's impossible for me to make those numbers.

I ran a mustang dyno as some of you know here and you can fudge them on a mustang but cant on a dyno jet. Tryed last night Mike. I didnt do this for this purpose but my sponser got the dyno and wanted to check it against a mustang dyno. He ran a camaro the night before and it was three hp gain and 15 more in tq.

[Balaska347]

Sounds about right. Like Mike from wolfpack had posted previously. If a mustang dyno is setup right it should be about the same. Most of the time the dynojet reads a little higher. From your findings I would say this so called mustang dyno is DEAD ON. I might make over 500 ftlbs of tq on a dynojet. Heck it might do that tomorrow when Lasota tunes it. Oh my then the questions will be where am I hiding my bottle.

Now im praying that I dont split that stock block in two.

[wick]

Sounds about right. Like Mike from wolfpack had posted previously. If a mustang dyno is setup right it should be about the same. Most of the time the dynojet reads a little higher. From your findings I would say this so called mustang dyno is DEAD ON. I might make over 500 ftlbs of tq on a dynojet. Heck it might do that tomorrow when Lasota tunes it. Oh my then the questions will be where am I hiding my bottle.

Now im praying that I dont split that stock block in two.

What RPM you taking it to?

[Balaska347]

I dont want to take it higher then 6500 for the sake of the block. Maybe next year Ill go with a Dart SHP block

[Balaska347]

Oh my I can only imagine what will be said now. Here are the numbers after Don Lasota tuned the car. Im trying few things that are different then most with the tune. The torque numbers responded like I wanted them too. Now I just hope it tranfers to the ET like I expect.

[Ares]

Think I see where a nice launch point is at

[Silverhatch]

You're a liar.















Just b.s. in', those numbers are crazy. That has to be one of the best setups around! Congrats!

[Balaska347]

Yeah it might leave a little hard then I thought

[gmkillr]

Wow, that only like 150 rwtq more than the next closest 347 combo that has ever been built.......

Dude, im not knocking you or your car in anyway as I think you got a sweet ride and its pretty fast for what it is.

Your h.p. #'s sound like they would be pretty close but the torque is miles off.
Post your combo and dyno sheets on:
www.hardcore50.com
www.yellowbullet.com
www.sbftech.com
www.corral.com

Do it and see what some of the more experienced guys have to say.....:)

I'll tell you what, take your car up to Wolfpack Speed and if you can come within 10 rwtq of what you made on that mustang dyno I will pay for your 2 dyno runs at Mikes shop on a dynojet. You have my word on that.

[cam303]

Wow, that only like 150 rwtq more than the next closest 347 combo that has ever been built.......

Dude, im not knocking you or your car in anyway as I think you got a sweet ride and its pretty fast for what it is.

Your h.p. #'s sound like they would be pretty close but the torque is miles off.
Post your combo and dyno sheets on:
www.hardcore50.com
www.yellowbullet.com
www.sbftech.com
www.corral.com

Do it and see what some of the more experienced guys have to say.....:)

I'll tell you what, take your car up to Wolfpack Speed and if you can come within 10 rwtq of what you made on that mustang dyno I will pay for your 2 dyno runs at Mikes shop on a dynojet. You have my word on that.

Yeah, Because the guys on those sites know everything...

There will be pms all over about the hidden bottle....

[Martin0660]

LOL, I'm not real concerned with the dyno numbers because it's real clear to me ... We will see what the car runs at the track becuse it's there, and there every week going rounds, week in, week out. Pretty easy to figure out what it really makes based on weight and ET/MPH. Isn't much you can hide doing it every week.

[Balaska347]

Wow, that only like 150 rwtq more than the next closest 347 combo that has ever been built.......

Dude, im not knocking you or your car in anyway as I think you got a sweet ride and its pretty fast for what it is.

Your h.p. #'s sound like they would be pretty close but the torque is miles off.
Post your combo and dyno sheets on:
www.hardcore50.com
www.yellowbullet.com
www.sbftech.com
www.corral.com

Do it and see what some of the more experienced guys have to say.....:)

I'll tell you what, take your car up to Wolfpack Speed and if you can come within 10 rwtq of what you made on that mustang dyno I will pay for your 2 dyno runs at Mikes shop on a dynojet. You have my word on that.

How about if it makes over 500 rwtq. You pay for the runs. I only need one but I might take two just to try something.

[Balaska347]

LOL, I'm not real concerned with the dyno numbers because it's real clear to me ... We will see what the car runs at the track becuse it's there, and there every week going rounds, week in, week out. Pretty easy to figure out what it really makes based on weight and ET/MPH. Isn't much you can hide doing it every week.

Im not concerned either Bob I know why it makes those numbers, its that little round thing between the engine and tranny. I dont agree that you can be more accurate with the weight ET/mph only because its an auto. With a manual it might work. With those numbers im gonna predict 10.70-10.90 through out the season.

[gmkillr]

Yeah, Because the guys on those sites know everything...

There will be pms all over about the hidden bottle....

There's quite a few Pro engine builders & racers floating around those sites that are in the know. Dont get me wrong, there's also a bunch of idiots there too....

How about if it makes over 500 rwtq. You pay for the runs. I only need one but I might take two just to try something.

My offer stands as is.
An if your car truely made 567 rwtq then you should be hoping for 9.70's
Not 10.70's.......

[biminiLX]

Those would be big numbers on a Mustang dyno through an AOD, I'm guessing 400rwhp max.
-J

Now you're making me look good.

After fixing the fuel delivery problem and making some adjustments, it made 429whp and 498wtq NA on a mustang dyno. Im now comfortable enough to let Lasota to have at it.

So after tuning you made less HP and more TQ.
The before numbers got me questioning things because you still had a good HP number in addition to the high TQ.
I can see the big TQ with a loose converter flashing on the dyno, but then they usually show low HP.
Now things look more in-line but the TQ number is still very high (a good thing ). Chassis dynoing with automatic cars is always weird.
Like I said before, it will be interesting to see the Dynojet comparison, but the real results will so on the track and I'm sure it will easily meet your goal.
-J
Edit---any changes at all to the dyno calibration since the before runs?

[yeahloh95]

nice numbers i cant wait to see the sixty ft if you can get it too hook with all that torque

[Balaska347]

My offer stands as is.
An if your car truely made 567 rwtq then you should be hoping for 9.70's
Not 10.70's.......

A Mustang dyno and a dynojet are off by more then 10 rwtq anyway so it impossible for me to win that bet. You didnt think it was possible when I was making 498 uncorrected so you should be willing to take the over 500 SAE bet

Those numbers aren't going to get 9.70's in this car. All the torque is going to do is get the car to leave hard. If it was making close to that in HP then I would agree. With only 402 HP it won't have the MPH to run that quick. I wouldn't be scared to say I might see 10.50's. Whats Mike charge for the pulls?

Now you're making me look good.


So after tuning you made less HP and more TQ.
The before numbers got me questioning things because you still had a good HP number in addition to the high TQ.
I can see the big TQ with a loose converter flashing on the dyno, but then they usually show low HP.
Now things look more in-line but the TQ number is still very high (a good thing ). Chassis dynoing with automatic cars is always weird.
Like I said before, it will be interesting to see the Dynojet comparison, but the real results will so on the track and I'm sure it will easily meet your goal.
-J
Edit---any changes at all to the dyno calibration since the before runs?

The TC is a very tempermental peice. Thats why you should always go what a reputable company and go custom. With the right TC you should make good torque and hp. This is a street and strip convertor its only 3600. The TC is where people get confused when it comes to dyno numbers. They only worry about the engine combo when its the way everything works together. If I changed the TC now and left everything else the same it would change those numbers.

As for the previous numbers, the 429hp was uncorrected. Lasota actually made the exact same SAE corrected number 402hp. He told me at the very beinging he wouldn't be able to get me a higher peak but he did have a better average. The car was still very lean with my tune which will make more power but wont be safe.

Now for the torque if you look at the graph you can see exactly what is going on, and if you understand the way the TC works it makes sense. Whats the only thing different about each run? It is when he started the pull. Each time he started the pull he started it earlier which is going to let the engine rev more picking up engine speed before it puts it to the tires. I think this tricks the dyno into higher torque numbers. I would say subract 100 and thats probably where it would be with a stick car.

No changes were made to the dyno.

nice numbers i cant wait to see the sixty ft if you can get it too hook with all that torque

Im worred about hooking now. I might need a bigger tire. Im going to say low 1.4 sixties with some air under the tires. A couple inces atleast

[Tony71502]

Mike charges 50 bucks for three power pulls. Tuning is prob more.

[Balaska347]

Thanks, I'll only need one and Gmkiller will be picking up the tab on this one.

[Wolfpack Speed]

Mike charges 50 bucks for three power pulls. Tuning is prob more.

$75 for 2 power pulls, + $10 to add a/f and must have a bung. $100 per hour to rent...

Thanks, I'll only need one and Gmkiller will be picking up the tab on this one.

Is your tranny setup fully automatic or a manual valve body?