Project Lil Red

**Balaska347** · 01-25-2010, 12:43 PM

Full manual valvebody there is no drive gear. It has a bung but I dont need a a/f reading.

**Wolfpack Speed** · 01-25-2010, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

Full manual valvebody there is no drive gear. It has a bung but I dont need a a/f reading.

I was just asking because if it was an oem automatic setup you need to apply dyno lock via tuning to get a clean 3rd gear pull, you don't want the car to shift on the dyno while you are sampling.

**frankstang** · 01-25-2010, 01:21 PM

Great thread going here guys.

Balaska, I think it's the super secret piece I sold you in PepBoys parking lot that's making all that torque..LOL

**Balaska347** · 01-25-2010, 01:27 PM

yeah I new what you were getting at, it has no problem. It acts as a stick without a clutch pedal.

I dont think Im willing to spend a $100 bucks just to prove that i must be one of the best SBF engine builders according to some.

This isn't a mail order engine. If any of the nay sayers on here are willing to pick up the bill when the car makes big torque, Ill bring the car down. If not, we will just have to wait till I post the time slip.

**Balaska347** · 01-25-2010, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by frankstang

Great thread going here guys.

Balaska, I think it's the super secret piece I sold you in PepBoys parking lot that's making all that torque..LOL

That piece is in the car so you could be right LOL

**Don@LRT** · 01-25-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfpack Speed

I was just asking because if it was an oem automatic setup you need to apply dyno lock via tuning to get a clean 3rd gear pull, you don't want the car to shift on the dyno while you are sampling.

Only on 94 and up AODE's - they are electronically controlled. AODs on 93 and earlier are not electronically controlled and cannot be locked via a tune - just to clarify a bit.

Any dyno numbers on a car with this loose of a converter are really only good for tuning comparison data, i.e. does it pick up with "X" amount of spark. Dyno calibration software really doesn't know what to do when it sees a curve like this. On any car I see like this, with a good loose converter - and we have tuned plenty of them, I also see a perfectly flat MAF curve - really normal. I have seen some cars with loose converters make apparent low power for the combo, as in 275-300 RWHP, then end up running 10's or better at the track. In fact there is a guy on corral.net (can't remember his name) with a wild 347 combo that 'made' 275 RWP and ran 9's. One of our old Dedpedal Racing buddies, Jeff Lange has a 347 fox body with a C4 and a 4800 stall converter, did a similar thing on the dyno and went 10.88 at the track - 9's on spray. Jeff's car is a bit wilder with AFR 205's etc, but otherwise real similar.

Not saying the numbers for the OP were 'bogus' as in made up, they were what they were - just not usable as an A-B comparison as you could do with a stick car or one where you could lock up the tranny. The numbers would be just that, numbers- doesn't matter on a Mustang Dyno or a Dynojet.

I do have have to say that the car is IMMACULATE and he did a terrific job with the motor and tranny and general setup. Don't see that many Foxes set up this nice.I really think his track times, if he can get those 60' times where they were, will be terrific!

Don

**Wolfpack Speed** · 01-25-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

yeah I new what you were getting at, it has no problem. It acts as a stick without a clutch pedal.

I dont think Im willing to spend a $100 bucks just to prove that i must be one of the best SBF engine builders according to some.

This isn't a mail order engine. If any of the nay sayers on here are willing to pick up the bill when the car makes big torque, Ill bring the car down. If not, we will just have to wait till I post the time slip.

Thats cool, I was just asking incase you ever decided to use our dyno for a comparison. Wanted to make sure I could keep it in the right gear for a good clean pull...

**Wolfpack Speed** · 01-25-2010, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Don@LRT

Only on 94 and up AODE's - they are electronically controlled. AODs on 93 and earlier are not electronically controlled and cannot be locked via a tune - just to clarify a bit.

Any dyno numbers on a car with this loose of a converter are really only good for tuning comparison data, i.e. does it pick up with "X" amount of spark. Dyno calibration software really doesn't know what to do when it sees a curve like this. On any car I see like this, with a good loose converter - and we have tuned plenty of them, I also see a perfectly flat MAF curve - really normal. I have seen some cars with loose converters make apparent low power for the combo, as in 275-300 RWHP, then end up running 10's or better at the track. In fact there is a guy on corral.net (can't remember his name) with a wild 347 combo that 'made' 275 RWP and ran 9's. One of our old Dedpedal Racing buddies, Jeff Lange has a 347 fox body with a C4 and a 4800 stall converter, did a similar thing on the dyno and went 10.88 at the track - 9's on spray. Jeff's car is a bit wilder with AFR 205's etc, but otherwise real similar.

Not saying the numbers for the OP were 'bogus' as in made up, they were what they were - just not usable as an A-B comparison as you could do with a stick car or one where you could lock up the tranny. The numbers would be just that, numbers- doesn't matter on a Mustang Dyno or a Dynojet.

I do have have to say that the car is IMMACULATE and he did a terrific job with the motor and tranny and general setup. Don't see that many Foxes set up this nice.I really think his track times, if he can get those 60' times where they were, will be terrific!

Don

Definitely looks like a nice car, I'm sure it will run well too! I don't really care what kind of numbers any car makes on any dyno, I'm more concerned with how consistent the testing is being performed. That is what will tell you if your modifications made power and where. That is what will tell you if your tuning is making power and where. A to B comparisons are useless and are the cause of many dyno debates and arguments!

Mike

**Ares** · 01-25-2010, 07:54 PM

Just 10 more weeks Mikey...10 more

**biminiLX** · 01-25-2010, 10:29 PM

What is the smaller wavy curve?
Thats more where I was expecting the curve to be, still can't see a 569 rwtq NA 347 through an AOD.
I guess I'll make 1000+rwtq soon by this auto swap, that'd be cool.
-J

**Ares** · 01-26-2010, 01:21 AM

Wavy was 1st pull

**Balaska347** · 01-26-2010, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by biminiLX

What is the smaller wavy curve?
Thats more where I was expecting the curve to be, still can't see a 569 rwtq NA 347 through an AOD.
I guess I'll make 1000+rwtq soon by this auto swap, that'd be cool.
-J

The smaller wavy line is the first pull before Don and Rob touched the car. I wanted to see what the car was gonna make on that day with my setup. That way I could really see what what improvments they made. You can see by the graph how much smoother the curve is which will also get me a much better average. The other thing I like about the tune from Lasota is that he sets it up safe and adjustments can be made at the track to fine tune the ET.

People get too caught up with dyno numbers. We all know the BS stops when the light drops.

Thanks for all the compliments guys. It wont be long before it hits the 1/4.

**gmkillr** · 01-26-2010, 02:17 AM

What kind of raceweight do you expect to be at?

Looked through your pics again and everything looks super nice.

This should be a pretty potent performer at the track.

Good luck and no hard feelings about any dyno #'s b.s.

**Balaska347** · 01-26-2010, 11:25 AM

No hard feelings at all.

Race weight will 3150# give or take a few. We weighed it and the exact number at race weight was 3152#.

**Balaska347** · 01-26-2010, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by biminiLX

What is the smaller wavy curve?
Thats more where I was expecting the curve to be, still can't see a 569 rwtq NA 347 through an AOD.
I guess I'll make 1000+rwtq soon by this auto swap, that'd be cool.
-J

You might be one of those ones that make 200rwtq and run 8's

**Balaska347** · 01-26-2010, 11:34 AM

I wanted to thank Don and Rob at Lasota's for tuning my car. I can't say enough great things about them. These guys are great at what they do and it doesn't matter how mild or wild your combo is they still treat you and your car with great respect.

**gmkillr** · 01-26-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

No hard feelings at all.

Race weight will 3150# give or take a few. We weighed it and the exact number at race weight was 3152#.

I wish I could get down that low in raceweight.
Im going to be in the 3250-3300 range.

**Balaska347** · 01-26-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by gmkillr

I wish I could get down that low in raceweight.
Im going to be in the 3250-3300 range.

Yeah the Foxes are generally lighter. Plus when I decided to build this car I made the decision not to put any mild steel in the car. Other then that and the Kirkey seats everything is basically there. I refuse to gut and chop up my car for a better ET. The plan with this build is for the car to look as good as it runs.

**CobraII** · 01-26-2010, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ares

Just 10 more weeks Mikey...10 more

Remember I mentioned that he'd be asking me soon to go south, because he couldn't wait? He asked Friday. :D

**biminiLX** · 01-26-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

You might be one of those ones that make 200rwtq and run 8's

That would be just fine with me

The other thing I like about the tune from Lasota is that he sets it up safe and adjustments can be made at the track to fine tune the ET.

What did they tune it with?
My youngest brother's Fox has an SCT tune but they don't support the flash tuners like '96+ so its just timing and FP at the track for him.
-J