Really, you would have to be insane to believe in The Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and private property.....Originally Posted by SK360
Of course the media, government, and corporations never lie to anyone - sorry my bad...
Really, you would have to be insane to believe in The Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and private property.....
Of course the media, government, and corporations never lie to anyone - sorry my bad...
this is the way to handle yourself from now on...
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I disagree 100%, excersizing your rights is not looking for confrontations.
I have the right and it's perfectly legal in Pa to walk down the street with my loaded AR15 slung over my shoulder if I choose to do so.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
So you have no problem with your 4th ammendment rights being violated?
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
That is GREAT!
I'll just post this and you can decide if the the police had the right to do what they did.
Fourth Amendment protects the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures.' The essence of that protection is a prohibition against some modes of law enforcement because the cost of police intrusion into personal liberty is too high, even though the intrusion undoubtedly would result in an enormous boon to the public if the efficient apprehension of criminals were the sole criterion to be considered. 'The easiest course for [law enforcement] officials is not always one that our Constitution allows them to take.' Wolfish, 441 U.S. at 595 (Stevens, dissenting
Investigatory Stops Of Motorists At Sobriety Checkpoints.
The unique situation in which the Supreme Court has approved suspicionless searches in the traditional law enforcement context. See Michigan Dep't of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 ('90). The Sitz Court relied on well-settled law that motorists have a lessened expectation of privacy regarding stops and visual searches of automobiles on the nation's roadways. Id. at 450 (explaining the importance of the context of 'police stops of motorists on public highways'). At these sobriety checkpoints, which motorists may choose to avoid, only the initial brief stop and preliminary questioning may take place without individualized suspicion: 'more extensive field sobriety testing' requires justification. Id. at 450-2.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
Sure is.... I CC and have OC'd before without problem but I still think there are some on PAFOA that go out looking to "School" LEO or looking for a story to come back and post.
Honestly, I would rather have the drunks filtered off of the road. I don't mind stopping for 2 whole minutes.
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That is my opinion also. Ive been through 4 check points in the last few years with no complaints till now. If these stops save one life its worth it to me to stop. just not surewhat went wrong this last time.
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Some people have know problem giving up their libertys for safety, glad I'm not one of them.
He wasn't stopped for 2 whole minutes, that's the problem. If LE new he wasn't drinking, then he should have been allowed to procede. Since when does a DUI checkpoint turn into a weapons checkpoint.
The biggest issue I have with this hole thing is that Lou was not drinking, and did not give the officers a hard time. He should have been allowed to proceed with no further questions.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
Well then if that's the case as you say then it's pretty bad when a civilian has to "school LEO" about a law that they should already know. After all their job is "law enforcement".
If they don't know what the law is then maybe they need to go back to the academy and learn.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
funnier yet, when I posted that, Wifey was sitting right here and she said, "OMG, Viper Ed is gonna love that!" no BS.That is GREAT!
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I have another carrying question..Is it legal to carry in bars? I have had different people tell me different things. I know its usually not a good idea to carry if you are drinking, Im just curious about the laws on carrying in a bar.
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You guys have made me more dumber by reading all this shit.
Don't pat yourself on the back, seriously. Did you go to law school ?
What education do you have ? Do you know what I have ?
I get a good laugh outta some of these 4th amed comments as well.
Does anyone here actually live in the "real world" ?
If you think you have the same right to privacy in your vehicle as you do your home you're crazy.
Lets say you are arrested for DUI and I have to tow your car. I can legally do an inventory search of its contents.
Imagine that. No search warrrant or anything.
Last edited by thedak; 09-02-2010 at 04:38 PM.
Perfectly legal to carry in bars in Pa.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
Can you open carry in Philly ?
Last edited by thedak; 09-02-2010 at 04:34 PM.
I beleive you can OC in Philly but must have a LTCF due to it being classified a 1st class city(1 million or more people).
Philly is the only 1st class city in Pa so a LTCF is needed. You can OC in any other city in Pa without a LTCF if you are on foot, including Pgh.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
Well that would give you RAS to do so. What I'm saying if you have no RAS, meaning if I get stopped at a DUI checkpoint and I'm not drinking, you have absolutely no right to search my vehicle without my consent or a warrant. This would also apply to a routine traffic stop, correct?
So yes the 4th amed does apply to vehicles as well.
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
Correct.
You have to give me permission to search your vehicle.
If you tell me you have a weapon in your vehicle but can't provide me a permit.
Different story. The OP's vehicle was never searched BTW.
Last edited by thedak; 09-02-2010 at 05:11 PM.
That's pretty much what I have been trying to say.
Now one more question, if you were to pull me over and asked me if I had any weapons in the vehicle, and my response was either.
I have nothing illegal in my vehicle or
I do not consent to any further questions.
How would I be treated?
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
I would probably think you're an asshole, go back to my car and write you for the full speed.
lmao.
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