New date for King of Street - Oct 17

**Mater** · 10-07-2010, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sonic03snake

I agree but there are a lot of cars sitting in garages around here that do not come to the track because they do not enjoy the Bracket thing. If there were more things geared towards real truestreet format and there was a decent pay out people would come from a few hours away to play.

TNT nights would be way better with out a gamblers race also,ppl dont go for that reson!

**pwtmxracing** · 10-07-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by ocrowner

they should call this race KING OF BRACKET RACING!

lol thats the best one i have heard in a while

**AdamantiumSilvr** · 10-07-2010, 07:30 PM

I think everybody needs to get their rides out for this to have fun n come race regardless!! Same thing with the FLD's, everybody hates but where u at??? To many vagiess i think, honestly!! Why have all this ching n horsepower into ur ride if u don't race, period!! I think their's a whole lot of talk and not alot walk on most parts of peeps around here!!!

**mustang50lx** · 10-07-2010, 09:31 PM

All the True street events I've seen are mixed in with other racing. I think it would be a good addition to the Night of fire or Memorial day. NMRA charges $85.00 for True street. They had over 100 cars in Bowling green. I admit PRP probably won't get that number, but if they get half that it's money they didn't have.

I also think they should try a new racer day. A day when regular racers don't race and maybe even help the new guys. It's discouraging to get beat your first day and may keep you from coming back. FYI It's also discouraging to your ass handed to you week after week but some of us have adapted.:)

**somethingclever** · 10-07-2010, 09:45 PM

I see the "money card" pulled often to back PRP's event choices.

If PRP owners want the track to GROW and bring in new racers, then they need to have a NEW style of events.

**reklaw** · 10-07-2010, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sonic03snake

The problem with the KOTS race is it is a bracket race that is usually populated with the "Bracket Racer" regulars and 99 % of the potential street car people have no interest in seing who they can send home due to cutting a better light and dialing their car. Its not a matter of skill, it just doesn't appeal to most. Im not putting down the Bracket Racers, just stating there is a huge oppertunity to bring alot more people to the track if other options are available. Look how well the FLD's do.

We go down to a fair amount of TNT at PRP, but I have no interest in bracket racing. I totally agree with you. If it were a different format we would be there! I have a street car that we take to the track for fun, not a track car that I drive once in a while. Would love to see the cruise, no slicks and no open headers, but I guess I'll keep wishing.

**biminiLX** · 10-07-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

My post wasn't directed at you it was just a statement. Im going to try and make my self more clear here. I do believe that PRP droppped the ball because they made the plans to runs this race and then backed out. I think that looks bad for the track. As for the true street format, I dont think you can draw enough people in the area to actually participate to make it worth opening the track. And people aren't going to travel for a few hundred bucks. I have a car that runs 10.90-11.0 all day long and can drive it anywhere. Do I have any interest in running true street? No, what am I gonna say Im the king of the true street 11.0 sec bracket and won $250. No Im gonna run the bracket race and win $800 and you can call me what ever you want lol. Do I have any interest in watching a true street event? No its just as boring as bracket racing, actually to me its worst.

Yes I support PRP because if we dont it will be the next Quaker city. Do I always agree with PRP, no. Im not against you guys I just dont always agree with you.

Maybe or maybe not directed at me, seeing as though I've been very vocal on this topis and already said the car was down and that I'd might just watch.
Not even thinking you were directing it at me at first, but I was just stating how I WOULD have went out of my way IF they committed to the True Street style event originally planned. You have no idea how far I will go to make a race with my car, I was under it at 4am finishing a gear swap and loading it at 6am this year just to make test passes. Nothing like a 150mph top end pull to make you forget about not sleeping all night

Hell, I was still going to bring my slow ass DD just to support the race if PRP didn't have their head up their ass.
I'm done being PC, you guys (Balaska, Cobra II, Pacecar) are full of shit if you think a real True Street event wouldn't be a hit if it were marketed even half assed. You guys are bracket racers (and very good, so seriously real props there) and want to support that. Fine, but this event will 100% out draw a fake 'street' POS bracket race like this, and there are MANY others like me who would prefer a TS race. Just look at NMRA/NMCA TS turnout, almost 300 cars in Florida and BG for TS.
How much to sponsor a race like that next year?
Shit, I may just do it myself next year, pretty sure I could make a few bucks doing it too.
*Disclaimer: Too many Yeunglings and a shitty Pens loss may have contributed to this thread.
-J

**ModularMike** · 10-07-2010, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by biminiLX

Maybe or maybe not directed at me, seeing as though I've been very vocal on this topis and already said the car was down and that I'd might just watch.
Not even thinking you were directing it at me at first, but I was just stating how I WOULD have went out of my way IF they committed to the True Street style event originally planned. You have no idea how far I will go to make a race with my car, I was under it at 4am finishing a gear swap and loading it at 6am this year just to make test passes. Nothing like a 150mph top end pull to make you forget about not sleeping all night

Hell, I was still going to bring my slow ass DD just to support the race if PRP didn't have their head up their ass.
I'm done being PC, you guys (Balaska, Cobra II, Pacecar) are full of shit if you think a real True Street event wouldn't be a hit if it were marketed even half assed. You guys are bracket racers (and very good, so seriously real props there) and want to support that. Fine, but this event will 100% out draw a fake 'street' POS bracket race like this, and there are MANY others like me who would prefer a TS race. Just look at NMRA/NMCA TS turnout, almost 300 cars in Florida and BG for TS.
How much to sponsor a race like that next year?
Shit, I may just do it myself next year, pretty sure I could make a few bucks doing it too.
*Disclaimer: Too many Yeunglings and a shitty Pens loss may have contributed to this thread.
-J

Ha! But I agree. I would have ran the T/S race. Not everyone lives for bracket racing..

**biminiLX** · 10-07-2010, 11:08 PM

Jerry Macquire voice: "I'm running TS, whose commin with me?"
-J

**Balaska347** · 10-08-2010, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mater

TNT nights would be way better with out a gamblers race also,ppl dont go for that reson!

Well Greg Miller gave you what you wanted this year and you didnt even notice. There is only one gamblers race per month this year during TNT. So 75% of TNT this year were without gamblers race and this was because believe it or not CobraII and myself for being advocates for you guys. But guess what, the car counts didnt get any better without a gamblers race scheduled. It was actually better with it because you had the others cars that come for the gamblers. You know what else happened this year, everyone got plenty of runs. Most nights people left before it was over because they had ran enough. Also the track was preped the same for all TNT's as a raceday. All these changes that people on here wanted and got but you dont see anyone mentioning that on here. They probably didnt notice...

**Balaska347** · 10-08-2010, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by biminiLX

Maybe or maybe not directed at me, seeing as though I've been very vocal on this topis and already said the car was down and that I'd might just watch.
Not even thinking you were directing it at me at first, but I was just stating how I WOULD have went out of my way IF they committed to the True Street style event originally planned. You have no idea how far I will go to make a race with my car, I was under it at 4am finishing a gear swap and loading it at 6am this year just to make test passes. Nothing like a 150mph top end pull to make you forget about not sleeping all night

Hell, I was still going to bring my slow ass DD just to support the race if PRP didn't have their head up their ass.
I'm done being PC, you guys (Balaska, Cobra II, Pacecar) are full of shit if you think a real True Street event wouldn't be a hit if it were marketed even half assed. You guys are bracket racers (and very good, so seriously real props there) and want to support that. Fine, but this event will 100% out draw a fake 'street' POS bracket race like this, and there are MANY others like me who would prefer a TS race. Just look at NMRA/NMCA TS turnout, almost 300 cars in Florida and BG for TS.
How much to sponsor a race like that next year?
Shit, I may just do it myself next year, pretty sure I could make a few bucks doing it too.
*Disclaimer: Too many Yeunglings and a shitty Pens loss may have contributed to this thread.
-J

Well there is only one way to find out and it doesn't look like it is happening this year. And remember one other thing, the TS at the NMRA/NMCA get good turn outs to because of the event as a whole. People want to attend those events anyway and most can fit that class.
I would say if PRP held the event they would be lucky to get 40 cars which wouldnt even pay for the paper to print the time slips. I am a bracket racer but love any kind of racing and even though I race my car every week its just as much af a street car as anyone elses on here. You dont need a racecar to bracket race thats the point of it. CobraII, Glenn, and I aren't against you guys we just dont always agree with some of the point of views. Trust me the good points that you guys make we do pass it along. We are all car guys

**biminiLX** · 10-11-2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Balaska347

Well there is only one way to find out and it doesn't look like it is happening this year. And remember one other thing, the TS at the NMRA/NMCA get good turn outs to because of the event as a whole. People want to attend those events anyway and most can fit that class.
I would say if PRP held the event they would be lucky to get 40 cars which wouldnt even pay for the paper to print the time slips. I am a bracket racer but love any kind of racing and even though I race my car every week its just as much af a street car as anyone elses on here. You dont need a racecar to bracket race thats the point of it. CobraII, Glenn, and I aren't against you guys we just dont always agree with some of the point of views. Trust me the good points that you guys make we do pass it along. We are all car guys

Yeah, but this is the attitude that just doesn't make sense.
PRP needs to try new things and actually market it and I'd bet the turn-out would be good.
There are MANY TS racers that show up the the NMRA/NMCA just for that class and no other reason, trust me, I've talked to them.
-J

**PaceFever79** · 10-11-2010, 01:25 PM

The TS races I've participated in were a lot of fun. I always thought a car show would be
a nice addition to TS cruise and races. After all, these are street cars, how they look and
how well they're maintained means as much as how they run?

I don't really care so much for tnt events. I can see it being useful for racers to dial in
their cars, but after a few three runs it gets kind of boring for me. I like to have some
sort of competition. So I usually end up bracket racing.

If PRP ran TS events on bracket racing days, I'd go to every one!

I think there's lots of car guys bored with "cruise nights"

I think it could be popular if marketed right.

**bgblockelcamino** · 10-11-2010, 02:39 PM

just went to lsx shootout over teh weekend. ran true street there. we had 108 cars in just lsx class. it is def a lot of fun to run. pretty wild seeing 7-8sec street cars driving 30 miles then making multiple passes.

**Balaska347** · 10-12-2010, 06:35 PM

This is what Im trying to say. TS does well during these bigger events such as Fun ford and LSx but if you take the rest of the event away and all the big sponsors that sponsor these weekend events and I think they will suffer greatly. Again Im speaking IMO not PRP.

**PaceFever79** · 10-12-2010, 08:43 PM

It doesn't matter how many cars enter KOS if it's during a bracket race.
You could even enter/race BOTH classes in one day if you want.

9am to 12:30pm - Bracket Race practice
11am to 12:30pm - KOS parade cruise
1pm to 2pm - KOS hot lap competition (3 consecutive runs)
3pm to 5pm - KOS car show (voting by racers/fans)
2pm to close - Bracket race eliminations

**Sonic03snake** · 10-12-2010, 10:03 PM

The true street format would be too much work to have more than once or twice a year. What is hot and would be very easy to incorporate into a race day would be index racing. run 2-3 different indexes and it would be golden.

**PaceFever79** · 10-12-2010, 11:05 PM

Why think small?

Uh yeah, this is Pittsburgh!

**PaceFever79** · 10-12-2010, 11:20 PM

I agree this would only work 3-4 events per year.

Your target "car guy" doesn't do more than 3-4 events per year.

But I think these could be successful local events if they're promoted properly.

**biminiLX** · 10-13-2010, 10:18 PM

Yes, this would only work a few times per year.
The index racing thing is good too, some other tracks get good turnouts for those, I think people like to leave heads up.
PRP could look at doing a once a month race like Milan's first friday of the month race or Norwalks door warz, both great events.
-J