New date for King of Street - Oct 17

[PaceFever79]

Heads up on a Pro tree!

[charcoal03gt]

Does anyone know where th cruise is starting and if it is bracket racing based on consistency or are they looking for the fastest car out there

[CobraII]

There will be no cruise for the King of Street race, just come in, pay the entry fee, and race.

It is a bracket race, not heads up or index, so each racer will set their own dial in.

Cars/trucks/bikes must be inspected and registered. Slicks are ok (must have driveshaft loop) as are open headers. 2 time trial sessions, then eliminations.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

A bunch of us are meetin between 9-10amish a-00' midnight blue vette, burnt orange 80's Trans am, 2010 Stang, and possibly a few others too. Lemme me know if your in our area and want to meet up and roll out with us!

[Martin0660]

Well ... I guess i'm out for this one now. POS header cracked again and I'm not going to race the truck for this one (although it does reasonably well ;) )

[CobraII]

Good deal Brent, see you at the track. Any of those guys need help, stop down.

Sorry to hear that Bob. I lost traclk of when you were running when I was in eliminations. Run the truck!!! :D

[biminiLX]

So who ended up winning this thing?
How was the turnout?
-J

[Balaska347]

Rich Penn, a 99 T/A wS6 STREET CAR dot tires and full exhaust runs 11's. There was only one car there that I thought shouldn't have been and it even had mufflers on. The turn out was good I thought about 80-90 cars but from what I heard the track about broke even so I dont expect to see any type of street race next year TS or KOS.

[biminiLX]

Rich Penn, a 99 T/A wS6 STREET CAR dot tires and full exhaust runs 11's. There was only one car there that I thought shouldn't have been and it even had mufflers on. The turn out was good I thought about 80-90 cars but from what I heard the track about broke even so I dont expect to see any type of street race next year TS or KOS.

Not that I expected you to say any different
but how did they not break even with that turnout? doesn't make sense to me.
-J

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...lost 1st round runnin a 13.90 on a 13.86 dial in, bought back in chased down and passed a 14.2 dialed 80s camaro at the 1000' marker and lifted right before the stripe and lost again! Booy was I PO'd!!!! I did happen to run my second 13.7 and 2nd fasted pass ever thou in the first time trial!
But as for the turnout, tons of slick, open header, points regulars racin their so call street cars thou! Kinda suck't cause the new comers and people that came that never bracket race'd before pretty much never had a chance.
The dude that won races weekly their in PRP points, black Trans Am consistant as all heLL. I alwayz thought his car has a weird sound to it too. He also has won a good bit of PRP Class races too.

[Balaska347]

Not that I expected you to say any different
but how did they not break even with that turnout? doesn't make sense to me.
-J

Probably because you dont understand what it cost to open the track along with all the other "know it alls".

So here is a quick run down thats not 100% accurate but is close.

80 cars X 30 entry = $2400
50 spectaters (thats generous) X $5 = $250
30 re-entries X 15 = $450
so you're at +$3100

Now cost to open track:

-$1200 right off the bat for insurance just to open the gate
-$50 EMS
-$400 [10 employees X $40 days wage (conservative)]
-$800 winner
-$300 r/u
-$150 round money
-$100 gas, vht, supplies and utilities

total -$3000

+3100 - 3000 = +$100

[biminiLX]

Haha, I might not know it all, but I knew enough to prevent this:

But as for the turnout, tons of slick, open header, points regulars racin their so call street cars thou! Kinda suck't cause the new comers and people that came that never bracket race'd before pretty much never had a chance.
The dude that won races weekly their in PRP points, black Trans Am consistant as all heLL. I alwayz thought his car has a weird sound to it too. He also has won a good bit of PRP Class races too.

and call this POS event what it was.
I also knew enough to predict that your car would only run close to what is expected from the rwhp number you had, not that rediculous rwtq number you had.
If I take a job in the area next year, I think I might just put together a real TS race and probably make money doing it.
-"know it all" J

[Balaska347]

Haha, I might not know it all, but I knew enough to prevent this:
and call this POS event what it was.
I also knew enough to predict that your car would only run close to what is expected from the rwhp number you had, not that rediculous rwtq number you had.
If I take a job in the area next year, I think I might just put together a real TS race and probably make money doing it.
-"know it all" J

The car ran a little slower then I thought. I predicted 10.80's but the car was built to run atleast 10.90's to fit a specific IHRA class. Its not like I predicted 500 rwhp and a 10.00 NA combo and came out and ran 11.40 . I said whether the dyno numbers where accurate or not the car would run in the 10's. I dont stroke myself to dyno numbers and bench race like alot of the garage queens on here that figure out what their car runs with an equation . When people ask me what kind of numbers the car makes I say 215/300 thats what ford said a 89 mustang makes not bad for a 10.90 car with a AOD.

As for the TS race the key word was "probably." Im not gonna worry about it because it will never happen

[AdamantiumSilvr]

Pretty crazy puttin it into perspective with those ball park #'ers Mikey!
But I think a different format would workout if the right group of people sat down and actually talked things out in a manner that helpt benefit everyone in the Drag Racing Community from all aspects of it, plus keepin it fun!
Like Regular Racer's and open header slick cars should be its own class, do doubt. And then people who aren't King Of Brackets that are more street related and don't know crap about bracket racing or index racing into say the Real True Street.

[Balaska347]

Pretty crazy puttin it into perspective with those ball park #'ers Mikey!
But I think a different format would workout if the right group of people sat down and actually talked things out in a manner that helpt benefit everyone in the Drag Racing Community from all aspects of it, plus keepin it fun!
Like Regular Racer's and open header slick cars should be its own class, do doubt. And then people who aren't King Of Brackets that are more street related and don't know crap about bracket racing or index racing into say the Real True Street.

Brent I understand what you are saying about feeling like you dont have a chance. I do think they should have a beginners bracket class during the TNT's. I was in that position along with a the other regular racers at some point. You have to start somewhere. When I started I raced every week for almost a full year before I got 1 round win not a class win. I just kept doing things to get better and I enjoy the competition of bracket racing and the chance to win more money to put back in to the car. There is a trophy class on the regular race days for beginners.

Anyway this is about the 5-6 year that the KOS has been ran. This race was never intended to be anything like a TS event. It was started because PRP had a race for cars that ran 11.99 and faster only which was a bracket race for anyone including the regulars. Well at the time I ran street class (an IHRA class that allows slicks and open headers) which you couldn't run faster then 12.00. So basically, everyone that ran street class didn't fit into this race PRP was holding. Some others and I complained and rallied for PRP to hold a race for only cars that fit into the street class which was anything 12.00 and slower allowing open headers and slicks you didnt even need to be street legal. They called it KOS because it was for the street class racers. It had nothing to do with true street cars, slicks, open headers etc. Every year things were changed to try and make more people happy but knowning you will never make everyone happy I can care less if they ever do it again.

[cwh19]

If it were actually a true street style event, I alone know that about 8-10 of my friends would have been there. I planned on going too. It would just be cool to see something like.

I understand what it costs to run something like this though and the uncertainty of knowing whether or not people would actually show up.

[Mater]

Probably because you dont understand what it cost to open the track along with all the other "know it alls".

So here is a quick run down thats not 100% accurate but is close.

80 cars X 30 entry = $2400
50 spectaters (thats generous) X $5 = $250
30 re-entries X 15 = $450
so you're at +$3100

Now cost to open track:

-$1200 right off the bat for insurance just to open the gate
-$50 EMS
-$400 [10 employees X $40 days wage (conservative)]
-$800 winner
-$300 r/u
-$150 round money
-$100 gas, vht, supplies and utilities

total -$3000

+3100 - 3000 = +$100

The food stand dont help the track make money?

[SK360]

The food stand dont help the track make money?

I don't see how it wouldn't with the redic prices for crap food. lol.

+1 on a REAL true street event with cruise and all.

[Balaska347]

The food stand dont help the track make money?

I was going to add this with the original post because I knew someone would bring it up. Yes, the food stand usually makes money on a regular race day when there are close too 300 cars and the racers bring their families. On this day alone, I dont think they made anything of value. In fact they were so slow they closed early because it wasn't worth paying the employees and utilities to stay open. I dont know the food stand numbers so I left it out of the first post. I could almost bet they didnt make much if not lost money. #1 There was only about 15-20min between rounds so there wasn't even enough time to think about eating. #2 they were only open for a short time, this isn't an all day event. #3 the food that was wasted, #4 employees and utilities (its not cheap to power up deep friers and hot lamps). I would be safe to say they sold no more then $200 worth of food. $200 - the cost of the food - waste - ect. you get the picture.

So the answer to your question I would say is NO and if it is YES it not enough to even consider...

[Balaska347]

I don't see how it wouldn't with the redic prices for crap food. lol.

+1 on a REAL true street event with cruise and all.

+2 for me I would like to see this event as long as its not me putting my neck out to set it up. This is the hardest event to setup. You know they did have it all mapped out but you know what would have happened? The same old whiners would have cried and complained about the roads that they picked or anything else that didnt suit them. Is there any track in the north east that holds this event alone, meaning without something like fun ford or LSX shootout?

+1 for no taxes, free and the best health care in the world, someone to wipe my ass and massage my back, and have my dinner on the table when I get home from work

+1 for a REAL true street event with no DR, ET street, QTP (just because they are DOT doesn't mean they pass inspection) or aftermarket exhaust because I wanna hear my own car. Street tires only with factory CATS and mufflers. Who's in...