22 Navy Seals killed in Afghanistan over the weekend???

[intel]

This war was never about freedom.

The America you grew up with and learned about is long gone.

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, which is now out of control.

You are witnessing the crumbling of an empire full of greed, corruption and fraud.

This is nothing new, history shows it happens over and over and over...

[SAC81]

So we should've smiled and said thanks after we were attacked? Our military action in Afghanistan was and is about protecting our own ass against those who DID and would have continued to attack us.

If I walk up to you and throw a left hook to your jaw, do you just look at me or do you defend yourself?

I can understand the arguments against our military action in Iraq, but it's pretty damn clear cut why we're in Afghanistan.

There's a lot of tin foil being worn in this forum.

[racefan]

I would really like to know what your deffinition of christianity is.




Another one who's clinging to mainstream media for "news". I don't vote because I understand how the game is played, and it's not how you think. Hows the president going to change anything when he's just the salesman?



No, I just don't agree with destroying innocent women and children. I suppose you think nukes are selective in who they kill?

Also...like I care what people on a message forum think of me. Especially if it's because of my political views.

You are a FUNKING ASSHOLE!!

[Quik83Z]

This war was never about freedom.

The America you grew up with and learned about is long gone.

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, which is now out of control.

You are witnessing the crumbling of an empire full of greed, corruption and fraud.

This is nothing new, history shows it happens over and over and over...

Sadly, this is all too true...

[Troll]

So we should've smiled and said thanks after we were attacked? Our military action in Afghanistan was and is about protecting our own ass against those who DID and would have continued to attack us.

If I walk up to you and throw a left hook to your jaw, do you just look at me or do you defend yourself?

I can understand the arguments against our military action in Iraq, but it's pretty damn clear cut why we're in Afghanistan.

There's a lot of tin foil being worn in this forum.

Amen, brother! This is real. Guess what? We haven't been attacked in 10 years. Apparently, chasing those diaper-heads around the desert has kept them from conspiring and planning another 20 million dollar attack on the US.

To all you guys that think you just lucked into your freedom because you were born here: Wasn't NY or even Shanksville close enough for you? Did the terrorists (that hale 99% from Afghanistan) have to hit Canonsburg or Pittsburgh for you to take notice that our country was attacked?

[vitaleffects626]

I love sarris candy

[Mark Aubele]

This war was never about freedom.

The America you grew up with and learned about is long gone.

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, which is now out of control.

You are witnessing the crumbling of an empire full of greed, corruption and fraud.

This is nothing new, history shows it happens over and over and over...

Next you will probably tell us that Bush blew up the World Trade Center.

[White5.0]

This war was never about freedom.

The America you grew up with and learned about is long gone.

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex, which is now out of control.

You are witnessing the crumbling of an empire full of greed, corruption and fraud.

This is nothing new, history shows it happens over and over and over...

Ohh yeah we are just CRUMBLING right now! everyone is in grave danger! o my goodness.....


get the fu*k outta here with that BS

[Flyin Monkey]

I love sarris candy

ROFL

[pRojekt02GT]

Cannot believe the ignorance of this thread. Learn what's goin on around you, stop thinking you know it all because it's what your highschool taught you. They make sure what you read, learn, is what they want you to believe. I'm so glad I'm a little bit more smarter in this matter than some of the folk who've posted here.

[speedracer]

Next you will probably tell us that Bush blew up the World Trade Center.

I love the people that say flight 93 never crashed and was flown away to some secret location

[83dropboy]

Building 7

Raw Milk is EVIL, GMO food is great.

Fight for the Bill of Rights - that is where our freedoms and liberties are defined!

[Mark Aubele]

I'm so glad I'm a little bit more smarter in this matter than some of the folk who've posted here.

I probably agree with you politically judging by your sig, but that sentence made me ROFL.

[John4cam]

You are a FUNKING ASSHOLE!!

Very thin skin.

[frankstang]

There's a big difference between WWII and all the wars that came after, including Afghanistan & Iraq. Japan and Germany would have ruled the world had they won and changed the American way of life. There was never any chance of that happening in any of the subsequent wars. Our freedoms have never been in danger since WWII from any outside force, therefore none of these wars are about protecting our freedom.

I think the biggest lie that has been sold to the American people is that "they hate and attack us because we are free", I mean really, does anyone believe that ? They hate and attack us because we have been meddling in their countries for decades. They don't like it, just as we wouldn't like it.

Before you start calling people tin hat wearers, remember, Kennedy & Eisenhower warned of a growing power that isn't loyal to the principles of this country, but has the full weight and power of corporations and the military at its disposal. That was 50 years ago. The warnings were not heeded, now our wealth and military are being used to do things that are not in our best interest.

Why are we still in Afghanistan 10 years later ? The only reason to go in was to eradicate the camps that were training militants and capture OBL. Those camps have long ago been destroyed, AlQuaida is gone, and OBL is dead. There are no other connections to 911 left in Afghanistan. We are now fighting the Afghan people who don't want to have a foreign military power in their country. There will never be a military resolution to this war.

Iraq had nada, nil, nothing, zero to do with 911. Bush used the need for retribution for 911 to lie us into that war. Does anyone remember the Colin Powell speech about weapons of mass destruction ? The diagrams and illustrations and phrases like "It is certain", "there is no doubt", "not if, but when they attack" ? All premeditated lies. Does anyone remember that when the Bush administration couldn't get the intelligence community to verify their claims they just opened up their own investigative office to give their stamp of approval to anything and everything that would give justification to attack Iraq ?
Exactly the type of thing Kennedy and Eisenhower were warning us about.

[Troll]

They hate and attack us because we have been meddling in their countries for decades.

ummm... like fighting on their side against Russia?

maybe they got a simple "thank you" mixed up with "let's run some planes into two of their cities".

really?

I assume you think the 9/11 attacks were justified? What should we have done afterwards?

[White5.0]

Why are we still in Afghanistan 10 years later ? The only reason to go in was to eradicate the camps that were training militants and capture OBL. Those camps have long ago been destroyed, AlQuaida is gone, and OBL is dead. There are no other connections to 911 left in Afghanistan. We are now fighting the Afghan people who don't want to have a foreign military power in their country. There will never be a military resolution to this war.

Are you serious? Like honest to God are you serious? We literally JUST killed Bin Laden a few months ago, you are saying that as if we killed him 5 years ago??? and newsflash: there are still terrorists and terrorist groups in Afghanistan. Just cause we killed Bin Laden doesn't mean its over and all the terrorists are just going to never ever do anything again. Those dipshits are on a non-stop suicidal killing spree because of there f'ed up "holy book"


No connections to 911 left? none at all? I HIGHLY doubt that.

Iraq had nada, nil, nothing, zero to do with 911. Bush used the need for retribution for 911 to lie us into that war. Does anyone remember the Colin Powell speech about weapons of mass destruction ? The diagrams and illustrations and phrases like "It is certain", "there is no doubt", "not if, but when they attack" ? All premeditated lies. Does anyone remember that when the Bush administration couldn't get the intelligence community to verify their claims they just opened up their own investigative office to give their stamp of approval to anything and everything that would give justification to attack Iraq ?
Exactly the type of thing Kennedy and Eisenhower were warning us about.

I agree that phrases like "It is certain" etc. were wrong to say, but I don't believe that they lied about the fact that they intially *Thought* there were WMD over there. I believe they seriously thought at one point that there might have been, so I absolutely agree with us going to Iraq INITALLY (because think about if they actually found some! you sure would be glad we went wouldnt you??) , but now we need to just gtfo of there

[White5.0]

I assume you think the 9/11 attacks were justified? What should we have done afterwards?

^^^this.

[83dropboy]

Afghanistan is also known as "The Graveyard of Empires".

The British tried to occupy them - search "Slaughter in the Mountain Passes", only one British Army Surgeon out of approximately 16,000 made it out alive during a retreat.

We all know how it financially helped uproot the Soviet Empire as well.

Our 'in' with the Afghan people seems to be to let them grow opium:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-b3pB6M7s"]U.S. Soldiers Grow Opium/Heroin Poppy in Afganistan - Fox News - YouTube[/ame]

The Taliban burnt all the opium fields:

http://opioids.com/afghanistan/index.html

I have an issue with losing troops there, especially when you cite things like this:

"In the aftermath of bin Laden’s death and apparently with the benefit of new intelligence gained in the raid on his compound, the U.S. has determined that eliminating “somewhere around 10 to 20 key leaders” of al-Qaida would cripple the network, Panetta said. Those leaders are in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and North Africa, he said."

Whole article here:

http://www.france24.com/en/20110710-...visit-al-qaeda

I would not question taking out Al-Queda, but I would question why we are still in Afghanistan when all the leaders, as cited from Leon Panetta, and not even there anymore. If they are smart enough to pull off 911, you can bet they are smart enough to get out of dodge when 100,000 troops are hunting them.

The Afghan people have been fighting occupation for centuries. Look at their history. The copter could have been brought down from an various insurgent group, not necessarily Al-Queda or the Taliban. Of course the Taliban will take credit, but they would take credit for the Kennedy assassination if you let them.


Looks like we got the guy who shot it down today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...576543210.html

[racefan]

Very thin skin.

I will be at PRP tonight, come and tell me in person. My name is Lou SR.
Viet Nam Combat Vet with a very bad Temper!!!,,,,,,