30k cadillac timing chain shot

**92306gt** · 10-25-2011, 03:44 PM

So my monster in law, i mean mother in law has a 2010 cadillac cts with 30k miles. a few thousand miles ago it started this miss when it was cold. took it to a local dealer and they said the timing chain is wore out. WTF..40k dollars for a car and within 30k the internals are worn out already. this just blows my mind.

**Terminated** · 10-25-2011, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by 92306gt

So my monster in law, i mean mother in law has a 2010 cadillac cts with 30k miles. a few thousand miles ago it started this miss when it was cold. took it to a local dealer and they said the timing chain is wore out. WTF..40k dollars for a car and within 30k the internals are worn out already. this just blows my mind.

Your business thrives on your product, and GM has repeatedly failed to deliver on that. They try and fool you with witty marketing campaigns (We build Cadillacs), but I question the "Chevy Runs Deep" thing...

**karnutz4** · 10-25-2011, 06:18 PM

You think thats bad !!!! Go buy a GMC Acadia or Buick Enclave and see what happens in 30k miles ! Our mechanics say there tools would rust if it wasnt for them.

**97LaserRed** · 10-25-2011, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by 92306gt

So my monster in law, i mean mother in law has a 2010 cadillac cts with 30k miles. a few thousand miles ago it started this miss when it was cold. took it to a local dealer and they said the timing chain is wore out. WTF..40k dollars for a car and within 30k the internals are worn out already. this just blows my mind.

I also work on cadillacs. And the timing chain issue is on every 3.6 motor. Don't think yours is the only one. I've rebuilt many motors in the cts and have done countless timing chain jobs on the cts, srx, sts, etc. Your 2010 should have an ecu reflash to correct the issue but you MUST change the oil in these motors every 3,000 miles. They like to eat oil up! Prob one reason that happend. Should be no worry for you. It's warranty.

**matt99** · 11-03-2011, 01:58 PM

i've probably done 25 or 30 sets of chains in 3.6's, all acadias, enclaves, traverse, outlooks.. they redesigned the chains something like 3 times to try and fix that problem.. got some nice pics of a sludged up one that gm actually warranteed, had 28 k on it and our records show it had the oil changed once at about 9k...

got a 2011 acadia in my bay right now,4700miles with coolant leaking into cylinder 1.. bulletin says leak is from cylinder liner/deck surface/head gasketand to replace engine

**Terminated** · 11-03-2011, 02:13 PM

Cylinder on said 2011 Acadia:

**Terminated** · 11-03-2011, 02:23 PM

3.6 Timing chains (from Matt99):

**matt99** · 11-03-2011, 02:35 PM

thanks dan for putting up the pics

**SonofaBish** · 11-03-2011, 03:25 PM

I'm not biased to either domestic company, regardless of the fact that i've owned several LSx cars - but my parents have a new Acadia and they've not had much good luck with it... its not had any engine problems, but its been in the shop for brake issues 1/2 a dozen times...

It was to the point where my dad was tempted to get rid of it and get ANOTHER Avalanche... their other vehicle is a new Avalanche and they absolutely love it... but, it has a LS motor in it, which have been around for a long time (since 97 in the 'Vettes) and are proven to be an excellent platform...

I always shocked when my parents first got the Acadia and saw it had a V6 in it... that's a BIG vehicle to be hauled around with a little V6

**03 OW SVT** · 11-03-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by 92306gt

So my monster in law, i mean mother in law has a 2010 cadillac cts with 30k miles. a few thousand miles ago it started this miss when it was cold. took it to a local dealer and they said the timing chain is wore out. WTF..40k dollars for a car and within 30k the internals are worn out already. this just blows my mind.

Its crap like this that caused GM to go almost belly up.

**SonofaBish** · 11-03-2011, 05:09 PM

So, I've read this on here 100 times, I swear... You guys really arent very smart are you? Acting like every single other car manufacturer hasn't had quality control issues... What about Toyota? Yea, their mistakes cost them some market share, but it certainly didn't, and never will cause anything near bankruptcy....

GM's bankruptcy was a result of poor marketing decisions, poor ownership/overhead decisions, and not being proactive and reacting to market demands quickly enough...not to mention, a little bit of bad luck that thier faulty decision making came at the same time as the entire market downfall.... It had absolutely nothing to do with poor quality... It was almost entirely leadership based... With poor leadership, no company will survive..

Just bc u own fords and hate GM doesn't mean u should spew BS all over the internet before doing some research and educating urself on the real underlying issues....

**John4cam** · 11-03-2011, 06:41 PM

**92306gt** · 11-03-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

So, I've read this on here 100 times, I swear... You guys really arent very smart are you? Acting like every single other car manufacturer hasn't had quality control issues... What about Toyota? Yea, their mistakes cost them some market share, but it certainly didn't, and never will cause anything near bankruptcy....

GM's bankruptcy was a result of poor marketing decisions, poor ownership/overhead decisions, and not being proactive and reacting to market demands quickly enough...not to mention, a little bit of bad luck that thier faulty decision making came at the same time as the entire market downfall.... It had absolutely nothing to do with poor quality... It was almost entirely leadership based... With poor leadership, no company will survive..

Just bc u own fords and hate GM doesn't mean u should spew BS all over the internet before doing some research and educating urself on the real underlying issues....

im a ford guy but ive owned more gms then most gm guys themselves and i will be the first to say that ls motors are awesome motors. its just the rest of the vehicle that is garbage. im sorry but all the newer gms that dont have a ls motor you may as well just take to the scrap yard.

**Erics89GT** · 11-03-2011, 09:56 PM

dont forget the LS based 5.3 in the 09-11 are blowing out camshafts and burning oil....

**Terminated** · 11-04-2011, 10:11 AM

GM has had 25 years since Honda/Toyota/etc started getting bigger to react to market demands and competition.

Guess you haven't driven any other Chevys except a Vette if you are saying that GM's problems have nothing to do with quality.

**scorpio333** · 11-04-2011, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

So, I've read this on here 100 times, I swear... You guys really arent very smart are you? Acting like every single other car manufacturer hasn't had quality control issues... What about Toyota? Yea, their mistakes cost them some market share, but it certainly didn't, and never will cause anything near bankruptcy....

GM's bankruptcy was a result of poor marketing decisions, poor ownership/overhead decisions, and not being proactive and reacting to market demands quickly enough...not to mention, a little bit of bad luck that thier faulty decision making came at the same time as the entire market downfall.... It had absolutely nothing to do with poor quality... It was almost entirely leadership based... With poor leadership, no company will survive..

Just bc u own fords and hate GM doesn't mean u should spew BS all over the internet before doing some research and educating urself on the real underlying issues....

Not to stir the pot, but wasn't Toyota exonerated on all counts with that accelerator issue, they were 100% driver error.

**SonofaBish** · 11-04-2011, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Terminated

GM has had 25 years since Honda/Toyota/etc started getting bigger to react to market demands and competition.

Didn't i say that GM's problem was that they didnt respond to the market needs/wants? Wasn't making excuses for them.... So what's your point? And actually, it had nothing to do with Toyota and the other import companies... it was being too late to the Domestic party, and then bringing too much food at the end

Originally Posted by Terminated

Guess you haven't driven any other Chevys except a Vette if you are saying that GM's problems have nothing to do with quality.

Quite the contrary, i've owned quite a few GM's, and every one of them has been quite reliable... as was my F-150 Harley truck, thus why i wasnt' afraid to buy another F-150 when i bought my most recent DD, regardless of the known issues that seem to plague nearly all of them....

GM actually sold TONS of vehicles in the early 2000’s … In the US, 36% more than Ford… you can’t sell that many vehicles if your line-wide quality is total garbage they way you blue-oval blinded people state… Like I stated previously, it was GM’s decisions from the top (senior leadership) that caused their downfall…

And i'm not saying that all their vehicles are built with pristine quality... i'm saying that you're wrong as to why they were forced to claim bankrupcy and accept the billions in gov't aid... it has nothing to do with quality ... there's still plenty of idiots out there that are die-hard bow-tie people, that would buy Chevy regardless of whether the car last 1K miles or 1M miles...

Originally Posted by scorpio333

Not to stir the pot, but wasn't Toyota exonerated on all counts with that accelerator issue, they were 100% driver error.

i have no idea?

**Terminated** · 11-04-2011, 12:25 PM

I've actually owned more Chevys than Fords, and had the fortune of replacing a bunch of parts on the Chevys, along with observing the poor build quality of both brands.

And you said they didn't respond "quickly enough." I mentioned they had 25 years +, there is no excuse. GM can sell cars based on brand loyalty and people buying them for the sake of buying American.

I'm not saying I hate one or the other because I've owned both but, as a consumer, I can surely say that I would be less likely to buy a GM and would be more inclined to go to another manufacturer based on the quality improvements I've seen compared to GM in the last 10 years.

I think people here are making claims because they want to know they are spending their money on quality, and GM only seems to provide witty advertising slogans, not the quality to prove it. I don't really get where you come off insulting their intelligence.

**03 OW SVT** · 11-04-2011, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

So, I've read this on here 100 times, I swear... You guys really arent very smart are you? Acting like every single other car manufacturer hasn't had quality control issues... What about Toyota? Yea, their mistakes cost them some market share, but it certainly didn't, and never will cause anything near bankruptcy....

GM's bankruptcy was a result of poor marketing decisions, poor ownership/overhead decisions, and not being proactive and reacting to market demands quickly enough...not to mention, a little bit of bad luck that thier faulty decision making came at the same time as the entire market downfall.... It had absolutely nothing to do with poor quality... It was almost entirely leadership based... With poor leadership, no company will survive..

Just bc u own fords and hate GM doesn't mean u should spew BS all over the internet before doing some research and educating urself on the real underlying issues....

Nobody can be as smart as you Bish.

And just so you know, i don't hate GM, i own 2 of them. They've just made some bad decisions and it has cost them some loyal customers.

**matt99** · 11-04-2011, 01:06 PM

didn't mean to turn this one into an arguement... thought i was sharing information about ongoing problems in the gm "high feature" v6 engine family.. got another one in today with a p0011 for bank 1 intake camshaft position system performance, caused by cam end play.. putting thrust washers between the cam phasers and the front can bearing cap fixes this one... rear bank on an acadia makes it a pain