PRP April 29th TNT

[Dan B.]

3.) If rain-out 3 runs or less gets 50% off their next TNT.

This would get me to go more often.

[SK360]

I've read that $30 for a TNT is what premier tracks around the country charge so

Ding ding ding. You want to charge premium rates for TnT entry then expect complaints when delivering a subpremium product.

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[83dropboy]

Ding ding ding. You want to charge premium rates for TnT entry then expect complaints when delivering a subpremium product.

No competition in the immediate area does not help things.

I do really like all the improvements - I have been there on and off since 89, so I have been through the changes, and can appreciate all they have done.

[Balaska347]

Funny thing is, I did state that I thought it was good of them to extend it an hour, and I said it has improved since I've been going there in 2004, however when I simply refered to a different posters complaint and made a point about it, the usual "you not being favorable to PRP" bullshit comes spewing out. **** you, **** PRP. It's the same shit, so anyone that goes there should be prepared for it when it goes south. Is some of it out of their control. Yes. Is some of it in their control. Yes. If you speak of anything that is in thier control, will the nuthugger crowd come in to tell you that your wrong, and a hater, and stay home, blah blah. Yes. So lets end this thread. PRP is the premier facility in the country, they have made every attempt to make it the best racing experience you will ever have, they have the best equipt and trained crew anywhere, and every track should model themselves from them. Thank you and goodnight

This was never the point I was making nor have I ever suggested that. These are the great comments that causes me to post when I do. Thank you for you input.

I bet they are giving Jason Miller tips.

Yeah thats exactly what I said. Thanks for turning a good point into a negative one thats what you guys seem to do best. Keep up the good work.

So long as they are willing to make improvements in management, cleanup times, run qty...etc. Then I will continue to go back.

I like Mike's responses - someone that is there pretty much every week and knows more about the track operations and employees than the 3 times/yr TNT'ers. Mike gives alot of facts in his responses and usually without the emotion.

However that being said there are still a few very legitimate complaints that need attn asap and "well don't go", "stay home", "quit being a prp hater" are poor responses and the kind that turn ppl to other tracks.

I don't think anyone here is denying that they have made various improvements over the last 2 yrs that are well received, but don't let it stop there.

I've read that $30 for a TNT is what premier tracks around the country charge so:

1.) Get some pavement down or open the old gate for the non-trailered cars there.
2.) Make sure people get 5 runs minimum (weather permitting).
3.) If rain-out 3 runs or less gets 50% off their next TNT.
4.) Improve cleanup times and equipment - there is no excuse for a 2+ hour 10' lg oil down cleanup.

Overall I'm pleased to see things are improving and the customers voices are being heard through channels like Mike (Balaska) and Chuck (Cobra II)...and others.

You are right on all aspects of your post. I shouldnt have lost contol of my emotions as I did. The for areas of improvement that you posted are totally legit and I agree 100%. The reason I posted what Keith from PRP posted on another forum is to let everyone know that they are aware of there being a issue with clean up time and are making an effort to improve that.


Anyone that thinks PRP is going south and will continue, just keep on waiting and making your 3+ hour trips to other facilities. I have been taking the complaints and suggestion to PRP to help get things improved for years and I dont even TNT, I do it for you guys and so your experience can be better. So yes, when I get some of the ludicrous comments from some on here I do have a hard time controlling my emotions and I wonder why I try to do anything.

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[Balaska347]

I just decided Im throwing in the towel. You guys can post all that you want on this site thinking that it will make it to PRP management and I can assure you that they have no idea what SCS is. I dont work for PRP and took your legit complaints to the right people to try and improve things for the guys that TNT. I dont care who owns it, I do what I do because I enjoy having a local drag strip and I want it to do well. I dont always agree with what they do and have many of the same complaints as you guys. I just voice them to the right people as any of you can do the same.

Signing off:

[Balaska347]

Hey, this is SCS, you get what you get.



Are you an employee or have a share of ownership in PRP? I'm just curious why "ludicrious" comments about cleanup times or mechanical failures give you a "hard time controlling [your] emotions".

Its the fact that I feel like Im not getting anywhere, so now that its causing me to get upset Im giving up as stated in my preious post.

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[somethingclever]

the bold is the flaw in your statement. I dont think a single person here thinks that a post here will make it to PRP management. Its only about venting or giving feedback to other members of the SCS community about the experience. If you get frustrated because you've decided to make a 1 man crusade to enlighten people about just how awesome PRP is and others don't believe you from personal experience and you find that frustrating, that's on you.

Like its been said over and over, there HAVE been improvements, but after what seems like years of subpar performance thats now become the expectation so when something goes wrong of course people are going to think "oh, its back to business as usual".

Its like the domestic car brands. To this day there are STILL people who think that anything domestic is garbage and why? Because of bad quality control in the 80's. Actions of some auto makers almost THIRTY YEARS AGO still cause people to have a negative feeling about their products.

So don't be surprised at people's reactions given PRP's recent history (2004-2007). If they have genuinely improved then its going to take time for opinions to change.

You don't get it...Period.

Mike Balaska is on your side....he is a voice for SCS members and TnTers.

His point is that without him on the board listening and reading about complaints then they (the complaints) won't make it back to PRP management because they are not on this site to read them.

I'm pretty sure that some of the changes made to the track over the last 1-2 yrs were a direct result of his and others efforts on voicing the opinion of people on this board and other local boards.

Do you think it's just a coincidence some of the changes made were nearly exactly what people here were asking for?

He's not making it a 1 man crusade to back the track. He is giving another point of view which 99% of the time includes factual statements and not emotion/opinion. He is entitled to his opinion just the same as you.

People have made suggestions for additional TNT nights etc...and he has said the track has already tried them and it's not cost effective. Do you think Mike does the book keeping for the track or do you think that maybe..just maybe...he has already taken SCS's suggestions to the track management and they reported it wasn't cost effective. PRP is a buisness and nobody works for free...I bet you even get paid while typing on the interwebz on a board in Pittsburgh area from a computer in another country.

Mike has agreed with the complaints in this thread and I hope he takes these complaints to PRP management (as it appears he has done in the past) and changes are made for the better.

[Balaska347]

the bold is the flaw in your statement. I dont think a single person here thinks that a post here will make it to PRP management. Its only about venting or giving feedback to other members of the SCS community about the experience. If you get frustrated because you've decided to make a 1 man crusade to enlighten people about just how awesome PRP is and others don't believe you from personal experience and you find that frustrating, that's on you.

Like its been said over and over, there HAVE been improvements, but after what seems like years of subpar performance thats now become the expectation so when something goes wrong of course people are going to think "oh, its back to business as usual".

Its like the domestic car brands. To this day there are STILL people who think that anything domestic is garbage and why? Because of bad quality control in the 80's. Actions of some auto makers almost THIRTY YEARS AGO still cause people to have a negative feeling about their products.

So don't be surprised at people's reactions given PRP's recent history (2004-2007). If they have genuinely improved then its going to take time for opinions to change.

The bold is the flaw in your statement as it has been said by others that they make comments because they know Chuck and I would voice their opinion and we would, though others may be doing as you stated. I also dont believe Im a one man crusade, there are others that will agree and post and many others that dont say anything. If you dont stand for something; you'll fall for anything. There are just a hand full on here that continue to post in a negative way about PRP its not an overwhelming amount of people.

I get frustrated because I feel I make factual post to comments, and all I get in return is a comment to just argue.

So say you guys are just venting about your experience, but were you at PRP Sunday? I know CAM was and a few other were. If not then why are you posting in this thread? Or were you just hoping to jump in on the PRP gang bang.

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[JOlbert]

A lot of people must not remember what it was like when it was Keystone Raceway. lol You damn near had to swerve to miss potholes & such. PRP has come a long way in recent years. Anytime I've been there in the past couple of years, I've never got less than 4 or 5 runs & sometimes more. It's luck of the draw in a way. It wasn't PRP's fault there was an oil down & with it only being the second time they were open, I can see it being pretty disorganized. Maybe sending a lynch mob to find the guy who did oil the track down would make people feel better.

[Balaska347]

I do get it. Just because I dont agree 100% with what others say doesn't mean I dont "get it"

Anyway if Mike is on "our side", then why is it that when Cam says there have been improvements but points out some flaws of the day Mike goes off on him? Cam's initial comment was quite neutral in tone.

I appologized to Cam for my comments as I shouldnt have replied the way I did.


No, I say some people come on here to vent about their experience, I never said *I* am venting about *my* experience so save the "if you werent there you cant bitch" BS for a time its relevant. And I post in this thread because last I checked I'm still a member here and can have an opinion about the dialogue going on in a thread.

Its not the other people, its people like YOU. You said, people come on here to vent their experience and thats fine. Then there are people like you that come on here just to throw gas on the fire which is all you do since you weren't there and have nothing good to contribute. You will never posting a positive thing about PRP and thats the truth.

[Balaska347]

A lot of people must not remember what it was like when it was Keystone Raceway. lol You damn near had to swerve to miss potholes & such. PRP has come a long way in recent years. Anytime I've been there in the past couple of years, I've never got less than 4 or 5 runs & sometimes more. It's luck of the draw in a way. It wasn't PRP's fault there was an oil down & with it only being the second time they were open, I can see it being pretty disorganized. Maybe sending a lynch mob to find the guy who did oil the track down would make people feel better.

This is all Im saying. PRP has improved slowly over time and they know they still need improvement. Yes, they will have good days and bad but do we need to cut their legs out from under them everytime they have a bad day.

[phillysrt4]

nevermind

[SK360]

That's like a band going on tour and sucking ass the first few nights then their fanboys saying give them a break it's their first time on tour in a year.

Great if it's a free concert. Not so good if you are spending your money.

This is a "professional" track And business with people profiting. Not a guy with a strip of asphalt in his back yard.

[gmkillr]

That's like a band going on tour and sucking ass the first few nights then their fanboys saying give them a break it's their first time on tour in a year.

Great if it's a free concert. Not so good if you are spending your money.

This is a "professional" track And business with people profiting. Not a guy with a strip of asphalt in his back yard.

Amen!

[scott5]

That's like a band going on tour and sucking ass the first few nights then their fanboys saying give them a break it's their first time on tour in a year.

Great if it's a free concert. Not so good if you are spending your money.

This is a "professional" track And business with people profiting. Not a guy with a strip of asphalt in his back yard.

Agreed, but I also see the point that the changes cant happen over night, but atleast they are starting to happen. IMO. Its better than them saying hey we are the only track around, you dont like it, dont come. They are putting strives to make it better.

I was there and I was upset the clean up took so long BUT I have no idea what goes into cleaning up a oil down or anything in that nature so I cant say if they took their time or not. But if I am taking my car down the track, I want them to be sure it is safe. I doubt you want to be the person going down the track next and slide your car into the wall or another car because they didnt take the time and do the job right.

And im not a "PRP nut swinger" nor am I a "PRP hater".. I like the track, could it be better? Yes. was it worse? Yes. Are their improvements that need made? Yes. Are there improvements that have been made? Yes..