Warranty Paranoia (a.k.a. why did i buy a new car?)

[jaa55]

why dont you just have a ford garage put the gears in and tune it?

[phillysrt4]

This is the first I've heard of the flowchart in the TSB. However, I it doesn't there's a way for them to tell what changed. On paper they need to prove you did something specific to cause a failure. We all know the reverse is most likely the case, you need to prove it.

A good friend of mine has worked for Ford here and there and he's said he's never checked for such things. Now I could see someone bringing in something with big ($$$) problems and the dealer not wanting to cover it or the factory denies the claim until more info is gathered.

All that said, I just ordered a tuner for the F150 this morning. Live dangerously.

I haven't followed TSB's too much lately, but I think there was one in a dodge neon SRT4 TSB (or maybe it was a memo? i forget as this was back in 2006) about people putting on aftermarket stuff, popping the powertrain then going back to stock for warranty work. It discussed how to spot this and how to get assistance to void powertrain warranties.

Good luck with your tuner!

why dont you just have a ford garage put the gears in and tune it?

At first I wasn't sure if there was any point to that, but the more I think about it the more I see what you're thinking. By having a dealer do it there is a paper trail that allows the dealership to match up the flash counter with parameter changes.

As an aside, although the original TSB posted doesn't pertain the V6's this is the first time I've seen something sent down from corporate on a normally aspirated car about tuning/parameter changes and warranty work. I found it surprising and I thought I'd share this info at the same time since there are quite a few 11+ 5.0 owners on here. It seems like Ford is trying to steer things in a direction where you need to take your car to a dealer just to change your tire diameter in order to have a paper trail to show you didn't change the tune.

But like I said, I have an appt today with the dealer for my trans TSB. I'm going to talk with them about pricing the gear install.

Fortunately I bought the car because I really like the new style of the car and I am pretty satisfied with the car as is. I'm still learning about the car on the stock power levels and its still quite fun to drive. If I can't mod the car the way I want at this time its really not a huge deal. The only reason I am considering modding now instead of a couple of years from now is because of how slowly I walked away from that new Civic Si with the K24. I just wish I had found that TSB before the sale so I could have spoken with the service manager before the sale. That was my mistake.

Either way the car is damn fun. Just because I can't personalize it the way I want from a performance standpoint doesn't change the fact that its quite an enjoyable car and as far as "bang for the buck" its not easy for the other makers to compete.

[scorpio333]

Grab one of these shirts and head out to the dealer:

[Martin0660]

I posted about this a while ago ...

http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...=FORD+warranty

[Seer]

the #8 cylinder issue was only on a handful of 5.0's. It was also narrowed down to just a few tuners.

[phillysrt4]

I posted about this a while ago ...

http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forum...=FORD+warranty

I have a bad short term memory... I blame it on extracurricular activities in university ;)

Grab one of these shirts and head out to the dealer:

Might not be a bad idea if I had a problem in a few years, but for now I'm good. Had some discussions with the dealership to finally nail down their position on various mods namely gears. IF they are FRPP gears and IF they install them then no problem. CAI that does NOT require a retune no problem. Any other mod/tune that isn't from FRPP they are going to roll over and accept Ford's decision to warranty or void (i.e. void). They claimed that when they hook up a car to IDS that techs/engineers at Ford could theoretically view the information pulled and decline/void warranty.

So the long and the short of it is if I want to do my gears which is what I wanted anyway I can do it without voiding the other aspects of my warranty.

[Seer]

I have a bad short term memory... I blame it on extracurricular activities in university ;)



Might not be a bad idea if I had a problem in a few years, but for now I'm good. Had some discussions with the dealership to finally nail down their position on various mods namely gears. IF they are FRPP gears and IF they install them then no problem. CAI that does NOT require a retune no problem. Any other mod/tune that isn't from FRPP they are going to roll over and accept Ford's decision to warranty or void (i.e. void). They claimed that when they hook up a car to IDS that techs/engineers at Ford could theoretically view the information pulled and decline/void warranty.

So the long and the short of it is if I want to do my gears which is what I wanted anyway I can do it without voiding the other aspects of my warranty.

dealer will only void the power train warranty if they have a reason to scan your pcm and it is tuned.

With that said, stay away from tuners who "give away" a ton of extras to earn your business, theyve been attributed to popping cyl #8.

Go with well known tuners and you wont have an issue.

[Martin0660]

With that said, stay away from tuners who "give away" a ton of extras to earn your business, theyve been attributed to popping cyl #8.

In his case, that would be quite the feat ...

Just add that 600 shot and let it eat ;)

[phillysrt4]

With that said, stay away from tuners who "give away" a ton of extras to earn your business, theyve been attributed to popping cyl #8.

Go with well known tuners and you wont have an issue.

If any tune I put into my car pops cyl #8 I'll give my car away to anyone who wants it. :)

In his case, that would be quite the feat ...

Just add that 600 shot and let it eat ;)

quite the feat indeed!

I want to add the 600 shot but the highest shot I can find is 200 :(

[Martin0660]

Just buy three kits, the big ones, and get them tonight

[phillysrt4]

Just buy three kits, the big ones, and get them tonight

I'm trying but I think i'm going to have to order overnight from Japan

[juice_man_86]

my kit goes to 600, lol

[Seer]

Most of the 5.0's on this board have been tuned my jon lund and are trouble free.

[phillysrt4]

Most of the 5.0's on this board have been tuned my jon lund and are trouble free.

I'll have to figure out a way to shoehorn 2 more cylinders in then :)

[Seer]

I'll have to figure out a way to shoehorn 2 more cylinders in then :)

I know he has a good following with the 3.7 crowd too

[phillysrt4]

I know he has a good following with the 3.7 crowd too

true. I was considering him 2 other online tuners, and my local dyno shop that is an authorized SCT distributor and has two dynojets.

that reminds me I have to call FRPP before they leave.

[Cam99]

Lund is the shit. You know you're good when you piss off Ford Motor Company. Stop ghost cam tuning or smithers shall release the hounds