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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamantiumSilvr View Post
    ...I don't usually get involved in politics but its total comin sense! Government has always been F'd up from the beginning! Although we have had grreat leadership thru out history, its a fact! But I see n know ALOT of people who aren't gonna vote and who are gonna waste it!!!??? Reeeally, WTF!??? Which is total BS!! Your vote may help contribute to wether er not we go in the right er wrong direction!! Ya better wake up and learn the truth of exactly whats goin on then!! Cause its obvious what your all about!!?? lol The future for our kids and their kids n soo on depends on keepin America, AMERICA and thats having Freedom, Rights and In G-D We Trust! Cause without that were powerless and you might as well be a slave!!

    It doesnt matter who gets in office. The real powers lie in the people with the money. Money is power....and if someone tells me Obama or Romney have all the money i'll tell them they're full of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpio333 View Post
    I'm "wasting" my vote for Johnson.
    I did the same thing in '08, after having voted for Bush twice and being extremely frustrated with the Republican party. This time I will be voting for Romney, I am that upset with Obama that I actually think he can and will do something. I just wish they (republicans) would drop the idiotic religion and overt social conservatism (mostly gay marriage, who cares), I feel neither have a place in politics. I really believe if they did it would be 70/30 red over blue.
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    I'm not found of either one of the idiots, but i think Mitt is the lesser of the two evils. His Morman ways and the way the Mormans think is almost as bad as that Socialist Doushe-Bag we have now.

    As far as our healthcare goes i think Wick said it best "We're f*cked!"
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    I did the same thing in '08, after having voted for Bush twice and being extremely frustrated with the Republican party. This time I will be voting for Romney, I am that upset with Obama that I actually think he can and will do something. I just wish they (republicans) would drop the idiotic religion and overt social conservatism (mostly gay marriage, who cares), I feel neither have a place in politics. I really believe if they did it would be 70/30 red over blue.
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    surprised nobodys mentioned the illuminati yet

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    It doesnt matter who gets in office. The real powers lie in the people with the money. Money is power....and if someone tells me Obama or Romney have all the money i'll tell them they're full of it.
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    If Barry wins this is on the way! You think there Enviro-Nazi now wait till he get's 4 more years to finish off the country..

    "allow the agency to expand federal control over virtually every body of water in the United States, no matter how small, the report also concludes."


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    I voted for Obama in 08 because I was in college and didnt have to pay taxes, stupid decision. colleges promote liberalism. whether romney is right or wrong hes got my vote im sick of the bullshit. Im really sick of the state government we all need to get together and replace property tax with more sales tax
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    If they can create a free health care for most folks without alot of b.s. i'd be for it. I have been paying for everyones kids to get a free education my entire home-owners life, so why not healthcare? Same thing really. You pay for ALL welfare children to get an education. No difference.

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    socialism, anything government controlled has entirely too much waste, more pensions more federal jobs more IRS more taxes. I say no way to this health care shit. It needs reformed but not this way. healthcare costs are so expensive because people keep suing over stupid crap

    i believe in a universal education system but the way property taxes are setup now the districts have entirely too much power on how much they charge home owners. with a flat sales tax that is distributed by the state you hit everyone equally proportionally on how much you buy. when your old youll stop buying cars and stuff you dont need so you will save money and bear less burden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaa55 View Post
    socialism, anything government controlled has entirely too much waste, more pensions more federal jobs more IRS more taxes. I say no way to this health care shit. It needs reformed but not this way. healthcare costs are so expensive because people keep suing over stupid crap

    i believe in a universal education system but the way property taxes are setup now the districts have entirely too much power on how much they charge home owners. with a flat sales tax that is distributed by the state you hit everyone equally proportionally on how much you buy. when your old youll stop buying cars and stuff you dont need so you will save money and bear less burden.

    X2 on the the law suits. The lawyers need reeled in. They need to cap stupid law suits. If you are really hurt thats one thing, but the crap needs to stop.

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    gotta start think outside our own country, shits gettin real ...how about Hillary over in the UN signing everybody up on a global gun ban.. or is that just smoke? hmm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhatch View Post
    If they can create a free health care for most folks without alot of b.s. i'd be for it. I have been paying for everyones kids to get a free education my entire home-owners life, so why not healthcare? Same thing really. You pay for ALL welfare children to get an education. No difference.

    I hope you're not serious here....

    Not that heathcare is really what it's called. I don't believe in allopathic medicine, but the freedom of choice through the whole process will be eliminated. For instance, you can't do this and see this doctor. Or you can't get this surgury because you did this. It's already happening with the elderly on Government programs. Even if it is the same as welfare or something else, why create more of a bad thing? It's all about control, and to be quite honest I believe population control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John4cam View Post
    I hope you're not serious here....

    Not that heathcare is really what it's called. I don't believe in allopathic medicine, but the freedom of choice through the whole process will be eliminated. For instance, you can't do this and see this doctor. Or you can't get this surgury because you did this. It's already happening with the elderly on Government programs. Even if it is the same as welfare or something else, why create more of a bad thing? It's all about control, and to be quite honest I believe population control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John4cam View Post
    I hope you're not serious here....
    If they can somehow get free healthcare for people who don't have insurance already through their employer without raising any taxes it wouldn't bother me. Hopefully these same people would be required to pay a fee to have said insurance. It wouldn't be great, but it would be something. Where do you draw the line on different needs?, I don't know. Listen, NOONE gets turned away at the ER. Insurance or not, emergency, they take them. Guess who foots the bill when it comes due? The hospital doesn't eat it, they pass the buck along to our insurance companies. Ever wonder why your insurance company pays $10 for two q-tips on your medical bill? Or that it costs $10k a night to stay there? If the state had insurance for these people that came out of revenue already collected, maybe our deductibles and premiums would drop. I don't agree with the whole Obamacare, but if someone gets a free education, why not healthcare. IMO I can learn on my own worst comes to worst, I'm not diagnosing any disease on my own. People say its not fair, well guess what, ole' Miss Crabapple who hasn't had kids in school for 60 years is still paying school tax on a house thats been paid off for 40.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverhatch View Post
    If they can somehow get free healthcare for people who don't have insurance already through their employer without raising any taxes it wouldn't bother me. Hopefully these same people would be required to pay a fee to have said insurance. It wouldn't be great, but it would be something. Where do you draw the line on different needs?, I don't know. Listen, NOONE gets turned away at the ER. Insurance or not, emergency, they take them. Guess who foots the bill when it comes due? The hospital doesn't eat it, they pass the buck along to our insurance companies. Ever wonder why your insurance company pays $10 for two q-tips on your medical bill? Or that it costs $10k a night to stay there? If the state had insurance for these people that came out of revenue already collected, maybe our deductibles and premiums would drop. I don't agree with the whole Obamacare, but if someone gets a free education, why not healthcare. IMO I can learn on my own worst comes to worst, I'm not diagnosing any disease on my own. People say its not fair, well guess what, ole' Miss Crabapple who hasn't had kids in school for 60 years is still paying school tax on a house thats been paid off for 40.....

    I agree with you on other issues you listed, but here again lets end that handout stuff now and quit the chain reaction.

    The problem I have with the current system is that "healthcare" was transformed into a big business nobody can afford....thus needing insurance. First thing doctors do when someone has an issue is prescribe a pill that provides you with a symptom that's worse than the sickness. I watch my mother in law take 15 pills a day to stay, ahem, healthy. Talk about a money making scheme!

    The whole thing is loony. There are some surguries that are amazing, but look at the cost as well. Then we have something called the FDA that supposedly makes sure our Food and Drugs are "safe". Meanwhile, both are killing us as we beg for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John4cam View Post
    I agree with you on other issues you listed, but here again lets end that handout stuff now and quit the chain reaction.

    The problem I have with the current system is that "healthcare" was transformed into a big business nobody can afford....thus needing insurance. First thing doctors do when someone has an issue is prescribe a pill that provides you with a symptom that's worse than the sickness. I watch my mother in law take 15 pills a day to stay, ahem, healthy. Talk about a money making scheme!

    The whole thing is loony. There are some surguries that are amazing, but look at the cost as well. Then we have something called the FDA that supposedly makes sure our Food and Drugs are "safe". Meanwhile, both are killing us as we beg for them.
    Great post John.
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    damn... I wish I hadn't been so busy at work... this thread delivered!

    as an aside thats somewhat related, there was an article today that the US in 2011 at the fed and state level spent a total of 1 TRILLION dollars on welfare. more than on medicare and social security.

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