Has anyone heard of or used these headers?

[Killercanary]

http://www.cprparts.com/products/hea...sportsman.html

Just wondering if anyone has used these and what their thoughts were on them.

[Pure Stock]

They look really good Paul. I have not heard that company mentioned though. From what I have gathered recently about headers, I have come to this conclusion. Performance is going to be close between the higher end header manufacturers out there, however, fitment issues seem to prevalent with one of the bigger names out there. Krooks. (You probably saw that thread over on HC50) After seeing what some people had to do to get a 800+ dollar header to work, Bassani is looking better and better all the time.

Those headers you mentioned look very similar to Accufab's in some of their pics.

[coralcoupe1993]

They look really good Paul. I have not heard that company mentioned though. From what I have gathered recently about headers, I have come to this conclusion. Performance is going to be close between the higher end header manufacturers out there, however, fitment issues seem to prevalent with one of the bigger names out there. Krooks. (You probably saw that thread over on HC50) After seeing what some people had to do to get a 800+ dollar header to work, Bassani is looking better and better all the time.

Those headers you mentioned look very similar to Accufab's in some of their pics.

Wow! Lucaly at this point in time I can still run MAC . With a new motor, I will have to look at this.

[Pure Stock]

Wow! Lucaly at this point in time I can still run MAC . With a new motor, I will have to look at this.

Good 'ole Macs. Dimpled primaries near flange, crappy welds, ball&socket collector that reduces a 2 1/2" collector down to damn near 2". But what the hell, they bolt on and provide ample ground clearance.

[coralcoupe1993]

Good 'ole Macs. Dimpled primaries near flange, crappy welds, ball&socket collector that reduces a 2 1/2" collector down to damn near 2". But what the hell, they bolt on and provide ample ground clearance.

Yup! I have a set of 427 R code headers on my six-fo that are sick. 2.2" preliminaries 3" collector. The exact opposite of my Mustang headers.

[itow]

They look really good Paul. I have not heard that company mentioned though. From what I have gathered recently about headers, I have come to this conclusion. Performance is going to be close between the higher end header manufacturers out there, however, fitment issues seem to prevalent with one of the bigger names out there. Krooks. (You probably saw that thread over on HC50) After seeing what some people had to do to get a 800+ dollar header to work, Bassani is looking better and better all the time.

Those headers you mentioned look very similar to Accufab's in some of their pics.

Well, I was one of the guys defending Kooks on HC50 and still do.. I have had ALLOT of fast cars, allot of nice old cars, and several semi stock newer mustangs. I have put headers on pretty much everything and tried pretty much every brand.. Accufabs SUCK. I have had 2 sets, BOTH SUCK.. I have put 3 sets of kooks on. ALL 3 sets went on like a glove (still have them on my latest project, but I am going to have to heavily modify them this time because I am running a motor plate setup now) with very little modifying at all if any (maybe a small ding here or there for extra clearance around a blow proof or something). Yes, they DO hang lower than many, BUT if you call Kooks BEFORE you buy them, they will tell you this up front and why they are that way.
I have ran Hookers with much success, then again I had a set that didnt fit at all on a 69 Mustang with a 351c. Mans fit fine, but they are small tube headers. Bassanni's fit fine but again, they arent 2" primary and 3.5 to 4" collectors like my Kooks are! When you go BIG tube, thats when you have problems. No company can make a one size fits all "custom or not" header with huge tubes and not have some kind of issue. There are WAY too many tolerance issues with every part on the car to do that.
Sorry if I am ranting, but a few guys keep giving Kooks a bad name and they are just so wrong. I just put a set of Kooks on a 95Gt with a 408w conversion we did. Took me about 1 hour on the floor (with no lift) to get them on and bolted up without having to remove ANYTHING. My brother has the same car with the same setup (408 with an auto) and he has Accufabs (same money to buy them). He has to remove the steering coupler (no biggie), the starter, both motor mounts, have it part way up on the lift AND have the cherry picker hold the engine up just to get them in there... I had hookers on my car for a while. Were a MUTHER to get on and off, but had more ground clearance than my kooks do.. If I have to buy them again or recommend them to one of my customers, Kooks all the way.. I have driven my car with my kooks on the street many times, never had hardly any problem with rubbing at all. BUT, if I start pulling the wheels high they will hit when it comes down. I plan to heavily modify mine now that I have the engine moved back and lowered with the motor plate setup.

[Pure Stock]

You be the judge. Never had a set. Hell, I have to lift the engine up on the passenger side, remove the starter, and I'm running 1 5/8" Mac headers with 2 1/2" collectors. According to some of these guys in this thread, if I put Kooks on there I'd have to pull the front clip to get 'em on

http://bbs.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=38119

Post #15 is interesting.

And as a side note, I have called them before on numerous occassions and I can say from direct experience there customer support is NON-existant. They asked me absolutely nothing about the car. Not even intended rpm range. When I *tried* to talk about collector options, I thought I lost a signal talking to them because there was no response. I'm sure some people have bolted 'em right on, and there have probably been some that modified them beyond reason. That's why I am skeptical. When there is no consistancy in a product that says something about quality control. I was all for 'em before that post was created. They are found on some fast(efficient) Stock Eliminator, Comp Eliminator cars and that says something in it's self. Bottom line for me is, if I'm shelling out damn near a grand for headers the 4 1/2" grinder just gotta stay in the tool chest.

[itow]

Yes, I talked with that fellow also.. As I said, if you talk to Kooks on the phone BEFORE you buy headers from them, depending on what set you go with (the bigger the primary tubes the worse they hang low) they will tell you that they are going to hang low. They do not offer a set of big tube headers that dont hang low. They make them that way mainly to clear powerglides. They told me the majority of the guys wanting the big tubes are running powerglides which are much wider and the headers have to be made this way to clear them. The do make headers that dont hang as low, but they are not 2" primary's.. If you want to see Kooks on a car, come to my place. I have 2 cars here now with them on. If you want to see how bad headers CAN be, I'll show you the accufabs on my brothers 95 (which hang lower than my Kooks by the way).
Also, one thing the guys that complain about kooks never take into account: How many of these cars are running coil overs with softer springs for weight transfer (for better launches), what about the lower off set engine mounts and or Kmember differences.. The guys at kooks told me they build the headers to fit a stock K member with Stock Mounts with a stock exhaust port height with a powerglide (which is the widest trans that is commonly used). Anything else or any other combo may certainly require "modifications".
I'm not trying to argue, just stating my expieriences with the different headers and fitment. It just aggrevates me how many guys today want to buy race parts and expect to take something out of a box and bolt it on with no modification and expect everything to work perfectly.. If it were really all that easy, we'd all have 8 second street cars with A/C...

[Pure Stock]

I'm not trying to argue, just stating my expieriences with the different headers and fitment. It just aggrevates me how many guys today want to buy race parts and expect to take something out of a box and bolt it on with no modification and expect everything to work perfectly.. If it were really all that easy, we'd all have 8 second street cars with A/C...

Well, it would aggrevate me if I spend near a grand on headers that are *supposed* to fit my combination and they do not fit. Believe me, I paid over $500 for a Canton oil pan that was *supposed* to fit a 302. I was reassured it bolts right on. With a stock bottom end non girdled 302 that pan required the 4 1/2" grinder to be enlisted for services. If I was buying "junk" I would/could expect to modify/fab. But when top dollar is laid down for top quality, the quality should be apparent. (read: fitting with minimal to no mod) It will be interesting to see what header I employ once I make a decision. With the smallish primary diameter I choose perhaps ground clearance will not be an issue. Amen.