www.dontfundobamacare.com

[Hawkeye]

Don't know if this is a repost, but I think most dems and reps agree, this plan is not the right direction. It's not a left/right thing, it's the future we are talking about.


Please consider signing the petition to defund Obamacare.




If the people don't speak out, no one will.






http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/

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Signed

[wickedsnake03]

signed, And hope others take the few seconds to do it as well

[Mark Aubele]

Signed.

[cLockWise]

Signed. I'm in the healthcare field, so I've been following this a ton!

[u1arunit]

Signed!

[03 OW SVT]

Signed. His healthcare system is a f-ing joke.

[Dan B.]

Done. Wife did it also.

[jaa55]

Email/call Toomey and Casey too. I just contacted them both


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[SonofaBish]

On a daily basis, i deal with the effects this has had on the insurance business and individuals alike - and its been a nightmare...

http://triblive.com/opinion/editoria...#axzz2fztAqBhH

[PaceFever79]

I wish we could have single payer medicare type insurance for everyone (the government is the central buyer of everyone's insurance policies) and everyone gets taxed equally. That way everyone has the same level of basic coverage (especially good for the poor) and everyone pays the same tax. If the wealthy want to buy extra supplemental insurance that is their business, but they can't opt out of the basic single payer insurance. This is similar to the way supplemental Medicare policies work. That would be the fairest way to provide health care for all. But the insurance lobby will never stand for that, so between them and all the haggling of politicians on both sides of the isle we have the affordable health care act. It is a poor compromise, but it was passed by both parties, it is the best compromise that everyone could agree on, and it is the law of the land upheld by the conservative leaning supreme court. So protesting it is about as useless as those who protested Medicare back when it was implemented. I understand those who have good paying jobs (with or without health care) don't like it, and of course the health care profession and the insurance industry doesn't like it, because to them it represents a limit on profits. But going back to what we had before is not an option. This is at least a small step in the right direction.

[SonofaBish]

I wish we could have single payer medicare type insurance for everyone (the government is the central buyer of everyone's insurance policies) and everyone gets taxed equally. That way everyone has the same level of basic coverage (especially good for the poor) and everyone pays the same tax. If the wealthy want to buy extra supplemental insurance that is their business, but they can't opt out of the basic single payer insurance. This is similar to the way supplemental Medicare policies work. That would be the fairest way to provide health care for all. But the insurance lobby will never stand for that, so between them and all the haggling of politicians on both sides of the isle we have the affordable health care act. It is a poor compromise, but it was passed by both parties, it is the best compromise that everyone could agree on, and it is the law of the land upheld by the conservative leaning supreme court. So protesting it is about as useless as those who protested Medicare back when it was implemented. I understand those who have good paying jobs (with or without health care) don't like it, and of course the health care profession and the insurance industry doesn't like it, because to them it represents a limit on profits. But going back to what we had before is not an option. This is at least a small step in the right direction.

in theory it seems like a good idea, but in practice it doesn't work... it's not working in Canada - it sure won't work for the needy fools in the U.S.ofA.

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Just creating more and more dependence on the Government. The idea of being penalized for not purchasing ridiculously priced healthcare to supplement others makes me sick to my stomach, given what I've read so far... Haven't we been taxed enough???

[PaceFever79]

in theory it seems like a good idea, but in practice it doesn't work... it's not working in Canada - it sure won't work for the needy fools in the U.S.ofA.

I'll give you (and the minority who feel like you) the benefit of the doubt. However, to stage this "war" or the hysterical protests we see is really just, well, hysterical. Why not let them try to implement a more progressive single payer system and everyone do their best to play along and see where it leads us? The notion that this will lead us off some cliff is pretty ridiculous. To me it just seems like the nay sayers are either party hacks, or afraid that it might actually provide a more equality based health system. The fact is the system we had is way more broken than the one in Canada. We have a huge number (somewhere around 60-90 million Americans) with no health care and no way to afford it. Most of them are the working poor, not so called free loaders. They are your fellow citizens, not just those evil needy poor people. What we all need is a little more faith in each other as Americans.

[PaceFever79]

Just creating more and more dependence on the Government. The idea of being penalized for not purchasing ridiculously priced healthcare to supplement others makes me sick to my stomach, given what I've read so far... Haven't we been taxed enough???

Some things the Government is better at doing than a hodge podge of private sector entities. Here me out. If you buy insurance on your own it is the most expensive. If your company buys a plan for all its employees it is less expensive. If the company has a large number of workers then its even less expensive. If the government buys 300 million policies for all Americans (known as single payer) that gives them the buying power to get the absolute lowest premium per citizen. It is just simple economics. There is no voodoo here. The problem is we didn't get that sort of single payer buying power because the HMO lobby would not let that happen. So if you want to blame someone, blame them, not the politicians who tried to craft a crude compromise that a bickering majority could back, called The Affordable Health Care Act. Blame the HMOs for telling you that everyone has to buy insurance either on their own or by their employer. The HMOs are the thieves here, they are the ones forcing all of us to buy insurance in the least cost efficient way.

[SonofaBish]

I'll give you (and the minority who feel like you) the benefit of the doubt. However, to stage this "war" or the hysterical protests we see is really just, well, hysterical. Why not let them try to implement a more progressive single payer system and everyone do their best to play along and see where it leads us? The notion that this will lead us off some cliff is pretty ridiculous. To me it just seems like the nay sayers are either party hacks, or afraid that it might actually provide a more equality based health system. The fact is the system we had is way more broken than the one in Canada. We have a huge number (somewhere around 60-90 million Americans) with no health care and no way to afford it. Most of them are the working poor, not so called free loaders. They are your fellow citizens, not just those evil needy poor people. What we all need is a little more faith in each other as Americans.

the question is, what makes you think it will work? other than propoganda and wild theories (which i'll admit, seem attractive)? I had this conversation with my father-in-law a couple weeks ago and i frustrated the hell out of him. Everything he said about Obamacare he liked, i had a reason as to why it can't happen in the REAL world... i work with it every day. how much experience do you have with it other than watching Fox News?

If you have a single payer system, the gov't controls how much Dr's are reimbursed.... either reimbursements are really low, and the supply of medical professionals dwindles because there isn't enough of a monetary gain for all of the work it takes to get to such a presitgious point... or remibursement is high enough to satisfy the MD's, and the entire country is taxed to death to pay for teh ENORMOUS cost of our health care system.

oh, and did i mention that's only ONE of a PLETHORA of issues with the single payer system... i could go on and on, but quite frankly - i don't have the time - thanks to the subject matter of this thread

I'm not coming and saying that i have the answer - because i don't... i do have my own thoughts on what could HELP reduce the cost of health care, but i also know the downsides of those ideas and relize that they're legit. you, on the other hand, sound like you think you have it all figured out and that the answer is so obvious, why is everyone so stupid... which is very foolish

[gpfarrell]

Actually, I think we need more Americans we can be faithful in. There's two issues here... 1) Health care is expensive... why? and 2) Who pays for it?

I think health care is expensive becasue too many of my fellow Americans are too quick to hire an attorney to sue an imperfect doctor or drug company. Thus, all involved in the practice of medicine need to be insanely defensive... which adds to cost but not care. Perversely, it corrupts care. An OB/GYN can pay $50k a year for mal-practice coverage because they might lose a $5 million claim. How long would it take them to make $5 million? At $250k, 20 years. Did the mistaken Dr. really do more harm with one bad procedure than all the good of a 20 year career? Too many "victims" hiring attorneys perpetuates this.

#2... Who pays. When you pay for what you're getting, you make sure you're getting it. When somebody else pays, nobody nows. The more layers between the the services provided and the folks that receive them, the less resposnsive those services will be. See also: Cananda.

Why the "hysteria" now? We were sold a bill-of-goods and it clearly ain't coming true. See also: Unemployement rate, Middle-east peace, Green energy, etc.

American was built by people looking for freedom, and now its selling out to people looking for free stuff.

I pay for mine.

[Dan B.]

Actually, I think we need more Americans we can be faithful in. American was built by people looking for freedom, and now its selling out to people looking for free stuff.

Aahhhh.......yes-sah!! Can I get an AMEN brotha!!

Excellent post!! I may have to edit my sig and let this be the only thing in it.