Hellcat

[travj31]

as i stated in my initial post... fatcat or not, very impressive IMO

[PaxtonShelby]

Have to admit that's pretty impressive.

[Pure Stock]

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[phillysrt4]

4,439 lbs ... Brilliant

Yep, which is why even with 707 horse the best they could get out of it on street tires was an 11.2 at 125.

[phillysrt4]

end thread :)

lost the cat :(

[phillysrt4]

Agreed. Car and driver will muster a 16.30 on street tires.

Car and Ricer wont even get it down the track because they'll be too busy complaining how much the interior sucks compared to Honda, Toyota, VW, insert-import-of-your-choice-here.

[John4cam]

Car and Ricer wont even get it down the track because they'll be too busy complaining how much the interior sucks compared to Honda, Toyota, VW, insert-import-of-your-choice-here.

Seems it always ends up being real world times...unless even smith drives for them.

[scott5]

Yep, which is why even with 707 horse the best they could get out of it on street tires was an 11.2 at 125.

And I can't wait for someone like jolbert to buy one and gut it down to 3500 and go low 9s with stock everything else. You have to give it props especially when the gt500 weighs 800 lbs less and only 40hp less but best it did was 11.6s at 126/127.. intake/exhaust/tune and tire I bet this thing goes 9s.

And yes I am eating my words saying it was gna be slow considering its weight and the performance of the 6.4 srt8.. SRT engineers stated the other day that by 2016 they will have a stock production car go 9s off showroom floor.

[PaxtonShelby]

Wow - I remember when a new stock GNX was king... Makes you wonder just how far our current muscle car era will go...

[Pure Stock]

Seems it always ends up being real world times...unless even smith drives for them.

Who in the hell is even smith???

[phillysrt4]

Wow - I remember when a new stock GNX was king... Makes you wonder just how far our current muscle car era will go...

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

[scorpio333]

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

Likely true for gasoline powered engines. According to my buddy who works for BMW that ugly little i3 is the fastest BMW to 40MPH, taking his word I know next to nothing about them. Give them (manufacturers in general) a couple yrs to apply that technology to heavier, larger cars. Perhaps by 2020 an electric/electric assist or whatever you want to call it producing 300HP could be equivalent to a 700HP gasoline engine. Only time will tell. At least we got to experience the gas engines before they all went away.

[scott5]

New Porsche and McLaren are hybrids and produce close to 1k hp

[phillysrt4]

This is exactly my point. Everyone is trying to cram as much power into their flagship cars as they can before CAFE guidelines make it impossible.

[Silverhatch]

Honestly, with the hype surrounding oil availability and the ever increasing fuel economy requirements (with a relatively big jump happening for the 2017 model year), I honestly think the next 5 years are going to be the last hurrah for musclecars. I think auto makers see this too and want to take advantage of the market while they can. Because of this the auto makers aren't going to hold back and will basically go all-out. After about the the 2020 model year I don't see how they can produce such high horsepower cars while still meeting fleet fuel economy requirements unless they force themselves to make limited numbers and when they're gone, they're gone.

Change out the dates with 1972 and 1978 and this is what they said years ago.

[phillysrt4]

There's a difference between the 70's and today's issue of meeting targets. From 1974 to 1978 (and beyond) performance actually suffered as auto makers tried to meet both emissions and fuel efficiency standards- something that was never mandated before. In today's fleet, the reverse is happening in that auto makers are trying to push more and more out of the cars.

Second, we've enjoyed a 20 year hiatus in the CAFE requirements as they remained unchanged from 1991 to 2011. That is now going to increase again. Sure a fleet average can be manipulated but you can only produce so many fiestas and focuses so that your fleet average stays high enough to have a Shelby or a GT. There's more to Ford reintroducing an "svo-esque" model of the mustang for 2015 with a 2.0l ecoboost than nostalgia. They have no choice so that the fuel efficiency for their "large footprint" cars stays within CAFE guidelines so they can keep selling Shelby's and GT's.

Do you think its any coincidence that the fiesta ST with its 1 liter ecoboost is here?

They can manipulate the numbers game with their fleets in order to continue to offer musclecars, but I have serious doubts of them being able to meet the 2020 CAFE standard of 36mpg for "large footprint" cars, much less the 2025 standards. I could be wrong, and I seriously hope I am, but I have doubts.

[John4cam]

Who in the hell is even smith???

Oh God.

[mustang50lx]

I think direct injection and Turbo's will get plenty of power as well as meeting fuel economy requirements in the future. Direct gasoline injection is basically just getting started. Who know what can be achieved with that technology. We (The USA) always find a way to get to get the job done. How many would have dreamed of 600 plus horsepower wars in 1980? Let alone 600 plus horsepower that gets better gas mileage and is many times cleaner running that your 1980 Malibu. I know growing up in the early 80's I never thought any car would have any HP all. And then EECIV and the Fox body changed all that.

[Silverhatch]

How many would have dreamed of 600 plus horsepower wars in 1980? Let alone 600 plus horsepower that gets better gas mileage and is many times cleaner running that your 1980 Malibu. I know growing up in the early 80's I never thought any car would have any HP all. And then EECIV and the Fox body changed all that.

This was my point.

[SK360]

Pricing leaked.

$59,900.

Hell of a car for that money.