sutyak's turbo 2004 Mach 1 build thread

[phillysrt4]

Here are my plans now through Spring 2016:


- Likely change to smaller turbo for broader power band. Borg Warner S366SX-E 66/73 ?

The short-term goal is to have a strong mid/low 10-second car full weight without a dedicated drag suspension that I can reliably drive to the track and make it home without breaking stuff. Currently makes 667whp and 631 lb-ft torque. I want to keep it around that power level but a broader curve (a full 1,000 RPM earlier).

You know you need Garrett FTW:

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...arger#GTX4088R

The right exhaust housing (0.95 A/R?) should spool nicely and give you the powerband you want.

EDIT...

That's a good thought. It's probably 2.5". Then again if I start doing much fabrication on this project it'll all come out for twin GTX3071R turbos. I have no interest in a big fabrication project immediately, though.

Oh yea... 2 is always better than 1 :)

[sutyak]

You know you need Garrett FTW:

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...arger#GTX4088R

The right exhaust housing (0.95 A/R?) should spool nicely and give you the powerband you want.

EDIT...


Oh yea... 2 is always better than 1 :)

The GTX4088R is exactly what I want, I just don't want to pay for it!
The smaller turbine might help, but if it's one thing I've learned from the gtx3082 on a 2.0L is you can't make up for too large of a compressor wheel just by going with a smaller turbine side.

[phillysrt4]

Yea I just saw the price tag on the 4088... don't blame ya!

[sutyak]

Thanks to Fast Gypsy for a great deal on a set of Precision 4.10 gears! These look nearly new! This should really wake up the Mach 1. I will definitely be running a 28" tire at the track with tubes.
My target mph is 135. I expect to go through the 1/4 at 6600 RPM with the 4.10 and a 28" tire, or somewhere close to that. I don't think the Mach 1 will have any trouble at 7000 RPM.

[Fast Gypsy]

Your Welcome.

[sutyak]

Also picked up a set of Motive 3.90 gears. I'll decide in the spring which ones to use. Either way I'm holding on to the Precision 4.10s. Leaning towards the 3.90.

[sutyak]

I'm finally in the process of rebuilding the spare TR3650 to hold the power the car makes. Details here: TR3650 Rebuild

[sutyak]

McLeod RXT clutch is ordered and should be here in a couple of weeks.
I went ahead and bought a new friction disc for a Fidanza flywheel I have. For $51 it's a lot cheaper than buying a whole new flywheel.
It will sure be nice to see all of these parts ON the car. :)

[somethingclever]

i always felt with the disc being separate from the rest of the flywheel it would be more susceptible to warpage since it won't shed heat as fast as a solid 1 piece deal.

Hope you have good results.

[sutyak]

i always felt with the disc being separate from the rest of the flywheel it would be more susceptible to warpage since it won't shed heat as fast as a solid 1 piece deal.

Hope you have good results.

Interesting thought. Have you seen this happen? I'm sure being attached to a big aluminum heat sink will help with the heat dissipation.

[TooFast98Cobra]

Would Really Like To See U Invest In A Quick Time Bell. That Flywheel Will TaKe Your Legs Off. Maybe Uts Cause Im Older Nowbut I DoNt Skip THe Safety Stuff.

[sutyak]

Would Really Like To See U Invest In A Quick Time Bell. That Flywheel Will TaKe Your Legs Off. Maybe Uts Cause Im Older Nowbut I DoNt Skip THe Safety Stuff.

I was talking to Stan at Pro-Force about that very thing. It's possible to do a conversion with the TR3650, but it is costly. I'm leaning toward fabricating a 360 degree external scatter shield instead. I agree without. I like my legs the way they are.

[PaxtonShelby]

Blow proof bell FTW. Especially with that much power. Why does your tranny need such extensive mods to run one?

[TooFast98Cobra]

Sorry Just Since Ive Had ChIldren I ThInk About Those Things. I Like Your Idea. Car Is Going To Scream At THe 60'

[sutyak]

Blow proof bell FTW. Especially with that much power. Why does your tranny need such extensive mods to run one?

The TR3650 has an integrated bellhousing, meaning if the bellhousing comes off the guts fall out. In order to use a blow proof housing I need to buy an expensive adapter, which essentially closes off the transmission and includes the machined parts for the bearings, shift rails, etc. Below is an email response from Stan when I asked about this:

Yes, there is a custom front housing/adapter plate. It REPLACES the front housing/bell housing and bolts to a Quicktime bell housing for a FORD T5/TKO.

There are some unusual particulars to using this though…

First, it was designed for the 2005-2010 TR3650 and accepts that hydraulic cylinder.
For a 2001-2004 TR3650 it requires the LONGER Input Shaft (as used with a 2005-2010).
Next, to use the fork-type throwout bearing, you need the ALL STEEL T-5 front bearing retainer for a Fox Mustang.
This retainer must be machined down on the transmission end to fit flush and be perfectly centered on the alignment boss that is on the front plate.

Then, remember I said a T-5/TKO Scatter Shield. Well, it then requires the use of the T-5 alignment ring that comes with the QuickTime Scatter Shield so that it will center the transmission in the scatter shield opening. This adapter plate uses the TKO Bolt pattern…

If you need to go this way with these custom gears that you just bought, you will have to exchange your 01-04 length input shaft for an 05-10 length input shaft.

[somethingclever]

Interesting thought. Have you seen this happen? I'm sure being attached to a big aluminum heat sink will help with the heat dissipation.

I have...and even if I hadn't, the thermo doesn't lie.

Even two machined surface bolted tight will still have a boundary layer that will definitely hurt heat transfer.

Another thing, stainless hardware plus excessive heat = galling and possibly difficult screw removal.

Personally i am just not a fan of that setup.

For a small ci engine in a relatively heavy car, i would probably choose a steel flywheel...

I am curious what Bob runs in his capri.

[somethingclever]

I was talking to Stan at Pro-Force about that very thing. It's possible to do a conversion with the TR3650, but it is costly. I'm leaning toward fabricating a 360 degree external scatter shield instead. I agree without. I like my legs the way they are.

to race at some events you may be better off with a trans blanket instead?

[sutyak]

to race at some events you may be better off with a trans blanket instead?

I started to look into that, but not extensively. Seemed the trans blankets are more for containing fluid than projectile flywheel pieces. There may certainly be blankets out there that would work, but like I said I didn't look too awfully hard. What I found was geared for autos.
Thanks for the flywheel input.

[Dan B.]

I am curious what Bob runs in his capri.

I could be wrong, but pretty sure he runs a flywheel made of unicorn hooves and bonded together with a special blend of pixie milk and shark sperm. And nawz plumed into the bellhousing. Keeps things cool and less explosive.

But actually......I think he runs steel. Has something to do with spinning momentum once the clutch is applied and getting the car moving with the small CI motor.

Or I'm just completely full of crap and the unicorn hooves do all the work.

F Forgestar.

[sutyak]

Trying to get a few minutes here and there to put towards the car. I'm still waiting on some trans parts to arrive, and I'm on travel soon for work, so it will still be a while before I get that together.


No problems at all replacing the friction disc in the Fidanza flywheel:






A previous owner had nitrous in the car and a custom switch panel in the dash. I plan on using one of those switches for turning off the fuel pumps manually so they don't continually pump fuel while the accessories are on but the car is off (return fuel system).
It has what looks like an MGW shifter. I may look into a slightly longer shifter handle because this one is crazy short.



Some other things I need to tackle are cleaning this poor car! Every inch of the interior needs thoroughly cleaned. The cig power port doesn't work. I need to trace that and figure out why. There are probably 5 lbs of wires run in the car that go nowhere from a sound system and nitrous.