long tube headers?

**bspilner** · 07-18-2007, 03:29 PM

$125 for the headers i also have 94-95 ported cobra intake and 1" spacer, steeda #19 cam designed for the 94-95 computer; 24# injectors and a set of power heads if interested (www.powerheads.com) this combo made an awesome street motor...

PS. there is a fitting on # 3 tube that connects to the egr valve that was extended 1" because of the spacer

**955.0** · 07-18-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by bspilner

$125 for the headers i also have 94-95 ported cobra intake and 1" spacer, steeda #19 cam designed for the 94-95 computer; 24# injectors and a set of power heads if interested (www.powerheads.com) this combo made an awesome street motor...

PS. there is a fitting on # 3 tube that connects to the egr valve that was extended 1" because of the spacer

Your in Fox Chaple I see, I get down that way pretty often so next time I'm coming down I let you know and I'll check them out. Thanks

**Pure Stock** · 07-18-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by 955.0

It's my summer car so I would say Street strip

I'm planning on keeping the stock block.

No certain goals, but time will tell.

Probally a supercharger but not untill next winter.

Thank you for all your help.

You have some options as far as Twisted Wedges are concerned. You could run the 170 cc intake runner versions. (out of the box versions) or step up to the 185 cc intake runner versions. Cam selection will most likely be more critical since you have a 1995 version. (I have a (94-95) PIH harness with a computer -A9L) for sale that would permit you to use a fox body ECM in your fox-4) I believe the problem with cam selection in those years revolved around lobe seperation angle.

The TFS top end package that has the stage 1 cam and street heat intake produces solid gains over the factory h/c/i. Close to 300 RWHP with a manual trans usually can be had.

As far as headers go, I'll recommend a 1 5/8" primary with 2 1/2" collectors for what you have described you'd like to do. I have not done any testing to validate whether an H or X generates more power. You do see a lot of X's on max effort projects though.

**Viper_ed** · 07-18-2007, 04:05 PM

Whoever thought Warren Johnson was the "Professor" is dead wrong! Joe has taken his title!

**Silverhatch** · 07-18-2007, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

Where did ya here that???

On my '95 non-smog, TF heads, ported cobra, B3 cam, stock block, 1 5/8 Lt killed my lowend until the blower was added. Made alot of noise though.

**Pure Stock** · 07-18-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by luxurysportscar

On my '95 non-smog, TF heads, ported cobra, B3 cam, stock block, 1 5/8 Lt killed my lowend until the blower was added. Made alot of noise though.

Did ya ever think runnin' a healthy blower cam without the blower in a heavy ass vert could have deteriorated the bottom end?? Now, I could see if the primary diameter was severly mis-matched, but 1 5/8", c'mon. Something else was off somewhere else and I'm gonna have to disagree that a 1 5/8" longtube killed the low end.

**bspilner** · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

I agree, long tubes are the way to go!

**coralcoupe1993** · 07-18-2007, 10:42 PM

What long tubes can be ran on that or foxes without having to mess with steering shafts?????

**Pure Stock** · 07-18-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by coralcoupe1993

What long tubes can be ran on that or foxes without having to mess with steering shafts?????

MAC 1 5/8" L.T. worked on my fox without steering shaft removal/mods. It's a whole different ball game when you have a Lakewood scattershield though.

**coralcoupe1993** · 07-18-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by bspilner

$125 for the headers i also have 94-95 ported cobra intake and 1" spacer, steeda #19 cam designed for the 94-95 computer; 24# injectors and a set of power heads if interested (www.powerheads.com) this combo made an awesome street motor...

PS. there is a fitting on # 3 tube that connects to the egr valve that was extended 1" because of the spacer

The #19 cam is like the #18 with a wider lob seperation for the 94-95 computer.

**Silverhatch** · 07-18-2007, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

Did ya ever think runnin' a healthy blower cam without the blower in a heavy ass vert could have deteriorated the bottom end?? Now, I could see if the primary diameter was severly mis-matched, but 1 5/8", c'mon. Something else was off somewhere else and I'm gonna have to disagree that a 1 5/8" longtube killed the low end.

I say go for the LTs with an all stock bottom end. Hell, run dumps right after them, that has to flow more right? Horsepower would be way up, who needs torque anyway. Maybe you can give us your total layout so we can all run 10.70 on a HCI combo with a untouched 302 block.

I can also sell you the Charleroi/ Monessen bridge and then maybe make it a toll bridge, its going cheap!

**Pure Stock** · 07-18-2007, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by luxurysportscar

I say go for the LTs with an all stock bottom end. Hell, run dumps right after them, that has to flow more right? Horsepower would be way up, who needs torque anyway. Maybe you can give us your total layout so we can all run 10.70 on a HCI combo with a untouched 302 block.

I can also sell you the Charleroi/ Monessen bridge and then maybe make it a toll bridge, its going cheap!

Yo the spreading of MIS-information is a capital crime on some Ford sites. In your case you'd be doing 2 life sentences with the bullshit your shoutin'. Get some credability, then talk some shit to me.

**gmkillr** · 07-19-2007, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

Yo the spreading of MIS-information is a capital crime on some Ford sites. In your case you'd be doing 2 life sentences with the bullshit your shoutin'. Get some credability, then talk some shit to me.

Im gonna have to jump in here and agree w/ Joe. This info is NOT true!!!
Dont spread internet B.S. Only state what you have 1st. hand experience with!!

**Killercanary** · 07-19-2007, 01:38 AM

Here's the comparison I refered to earlier. The 304rwhp is my graph and I run FMS shorty unequal lengths, the other is another stangnet member's car. Its not a back to back on the same car, but these are the results I've always seen when comparing shorties to longtubes.

I was doing a bit of research and I stumbled upon these combos

Thought ya'll might like to S E E something I've been saying :D

These FTI AFR Edel combos are very similar EXCEPT for the headers

Now Mr. C likes to keep his specs on the QT ;)
but
I'm sure I won't be doing anything wrong when I say I've seen others :)

True ... they are all different
but
They don't seem to be that much different

IMHO ... I feel the difference you see between these two combos
Its mostly due the the header choice ;)

If you got Q's or comments :shrug: ... feel to let em rip :rlaugh:

Here is the hard data :D

Here they are! ... Side by Side :D

Grady

**Pure Stock** · 07-19-2007, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by luxurysportscar

I say go for the LTs with an all stock bottom end. Hell, run dumps right after them, that has to flow more right? Horsepower would be way up, who needs torque anyway. Maybe you can give us your total layout so we can all run 10.70 on a HCI combo with a untouched 302 block.

I can also sell you the Charleroi/ Monessen bridge and then maybe make it a toll bridge, its going cheap!

Well, that's pretty cute. Your gonna sell me a bridge. Are you implying I'm some kind of dumbass??? I don't need to share a gat dayum thing about my combo. I provided this gentleman with some factual information about exhaust characteristics. Our statements were opposite. So my disagreement with your *opinion* grants you the right to make slight of what I accomplished.?.? No skin off my back though. I do not frequent these forums to boast about what I have done, on the contrary, I try to provide people with insight from what I have gathered through testing and what I have discovered through research (read: objective testing.) I could give a rat's ass if someone disagrees with my opinion or if they subscribe to what I have/will state. Bottom line is factual data will always prevail over seat of the pants thrill.

**One Sweet Day** · 07-19-2007, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

Well, that's pretty cute. Your gonna sell me a bridge. Are you implying I'm some kind of dumbass??? I don't need to share a gat dayum thing about my combo. I provided this gentleman with some factual information about exhaust characteristics. Our statements were opposite. So my disagreement with your *opinion* grants you the right to make slight of what I accomplished.?.? No skin off my back though. I do not frequent these forums to boast about what I have done, on the contrary, I try to provide people with insight from what I have gathered through testing and what I have discovered through research (read: objective testing.) I could give a rat's ass if someone disagrees with my opinion or if they subscribe to what I have/will state. Bottom line is factual data will always prevail over seat of the pants thrill.

well said

**coralcoupe1993** · 07-19-2007, 10:06 AM

Great thread! Passion about power!

**955.0** · 07-19-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

MAC 1 5/8" L.T. worked on my fox without steering shaft removal/mods. It's a whole different ball game when you have a Lakewood scattershield though.

Thats something I forgot to mention I have a Tremec with a Lakewould Blow Proof bellhousing and Lakewood scattershield. Will this keep me from running long tubes?

**955.0** · 07-19-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Killercanary

Here's the comparison I refered to earlier. The 304rwhp is my graph and I run FMS shorty unequal lengths, the other is another stangnet member's car. Its not a back to back on the same car, but these are the results I've always seen when comparing shorties to longtubes.

Can't argue with that!

**Pure Stock** · 07-19-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by 955.0

Thats something I forgot to mention I have a Tremec with a Lakewould Blow Proof bellhousing and Lakewood scattershield. Will this keep me from running long tubes?

Not sure about the spacing/clearance with the primaries on the SN-95's. With the fox body and the MAC 1 5/8" headers (manual trans headers) some grinding was required on my application where the scattershield bumps out to accomodate the starter mounting point. Used a 4 1/2" grinder to alleviate interference. It's nothing to be intimidated by though.