600cc 1/4 mile times

**SV1000s** · 10-16-2007, 11:09 PM

This is taken from an article In Sport Riders April 05 magazine.

Honda CBR600RR- MSRP $8,799 - 599cc - 429 lbs wet - 106.9 hp @ 13,750 rpms 10.49 @ 133.3

Kawasaki ZX-6R -MSRP $8,599 - 636cc - 427 lbs wet - 113.8 @13,250 rpms 10.38 @ 135.6

Suzuki GSX-R 600 - MSRP $8,299 - 599cc - 429 lbs wet - 103.9 @ 13,000 rpms 10.62 @ 130.5

Triumph Daytona 650 - MSRP $7,999 - 646cc - 445 lbs wet - 106.9 @12,250 rpms 10.72 @ 129.1

Yamaha YZF-R6 - MSRP $8,399 - 600cc - 424 lbs wet - 109.6 @ 13,000 rpms 10.54 @132.9

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Feel free to research times for just about any street bike here: http://sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf...rs/index8.html

As you can see...it's more than possible for an accomplished and SKILLED rider to run in the 10's on a stock 600cc bike given the right (almost perfect) conditions of course (not PRP). Minor mods make it that much easier!

**scott5** · 10-16-2007, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by SV1000s

This is taken from an article In Sport Riders April 05 magazine.

Honda CBR600RR- MSRP $8,799 - 599cc - 429 lbs wet - 106.9 hp @ 13,750 rpms 10.49 @ 133.3

Kawasaki ZX-6R -MSRP $8,599 - 636cc - 427 lbs wet - 113.8 @13,250 rpms 10.38 @ 135.6

Suzuki GSX-R 600 - MSRP $8,299 - 599cc - 429 lbs wet - 103.9 @ 13,000 rpms 10.62 @ 130.5

Triumph Daytona 650 - MSRP $7,999 - 646cc - 445 lbs wet - 106.9 @12,250 rpms 10.72 @ 129.1

Yamaha YZF-R6 - MSRP $8,399 - 600cc - 424 lbs wet - 109.6 @ 13,000 rpms 10.54 @132.9

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Feel free to research times for just about any street bike here: http://sportrider.com/bikes/146_perf...rs/index8.html

As you can see...it's more than possible for an accomplished and SKILLED rider to run in the 10's on a stock 600cc bike given the right (almost perfect) conditions of course (not PRP). Minor mods make it that much easier!

thanks man.. this proved my point and the 600 i have is not stock. and my cousin is an awesome rider. And at no time did i say I could do it but it has been done

**SV1000s** · 10-16-2007, 11:30 PM

**SV1000s** · 10-16-2007, 11:34 PM

love the heel guards!!!! Wish I could replace mine but unfortunately you have to replace the entire rear set.

**George C** · 10-17-2007, 12:34 AM

professional riders with corrected times!!!!!!!!!! if you think for one minute you can duplicate those your highly mistaken. take it to the track and run it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bench racing times is nonsense. i have slips, do you now? and the mods you have i can garrenty they are a PPIII and pipe isnt going to give you more then 8hp if that. real mods are cams, head work, bored......those are mods not some bs crap they sell you for 2k worth of mods and gain 8 hp. been round bikes long enough to know what to spend money on and what not to

also for the price you spent in mods you could of got a larger bike that had more power to begin with

**stieny** · 10-17-2007, 01:03 AM

I ran my '03 6R almost into the 10's with just a slip on pipe which, like quik said, does about nothing for performance. It ran 11.1 at PRP with stock everything else. There was more in it but I just didn't take it back. A skilled rider can get a 600cc into the 10's easily but they will never touch mag times without mods or a perfessional rider.

**Pure Stock** · 10-17-2007, 01:13 AM

Low elevation tracks and killer D.A. helps a little;)

It's like with any manual trans deal. There can be a tremendous and almost unbelievable variation between operators. The ability to efficiently transfer the vehicle's torque to the tires pretty much relies on the driver/rider ability to finesse the clutch. 5 out of the 5 bikes have *potential* 10 sec. mile per hour. The Kaw with 135.6 mph has 9 sec *potential* mph the BIG however though, is the 60' times. Without the aid of an extended swing arm, front end limiters, etc. it would be pretty much impossible to replicate the posted times.

**Stangman701** · 10-17-2007, 01:23 AM

I've never ridden a bike before so I'm kinda curious why the times are so different from a pro rider to you're average Joe. Is the time being made up mostly on the launch or the whole way down the track? Just curious cause I would say on an average say 12 sec. street car I would think there would really only be about a half second between the best and worst drivers besides the morons that get like 2.6 60's. Something that I also don't see mentioned much in arguments like this is the weight of the rider. I would think that a guy that weighs 150 would have a huge advantage over someone who goes 250 or so when you're sitting on something that only weighs just over 400 lbs.

**Pure Stock** · 10-17-2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Stangman701

I've never ridden a bike before so I'm kinda curious why the times are so different from a pro rider to you're average Joe. Is the time being made up mostly on the launch or the whole way down the track? Just curious cause I would say on an average say 12 sec. street car I would think there would really only be about a half second between the best and worst drivers besides the morons that get like 2.6 60's. Something that I also don't see mentioned much in arguments like this is the weight of the rider. I would think that a guy that weighs 150 would have a huge advantage over someone who goes 250 or so when you're sitting on something that only weighs just over 400 lbs.

The 60' and 330' times are the most crucial when discussing e.t. Think about it like this, what effects the e.t. more stabbing the brakes 1,200' out or at 150' out. A lighter car/bike has the potential to accelerate quicker, all other variables being equal (weight bias, etc.)

For the record, I have witnessed over 1 sec. of variation from 5-speed car to 5-speed car with a trap speed difference less than 2.5 mph.

**George C** · 10-17-2007, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Stangman701

I've never ridden a bike before so I'm kinda curious why the times are so different from a pro rider to you're average Joe. Is the time being made up mostly on the launch or the whole way down the track? Just curious cause I would say on an average say 12 sec. street car I would think there would really only be about a half second between the best and worst drivers besides the morons that get like 2.6 60's. Something that I also don't see mentioned much in arguments like this is the weight of the rider. I would think that a guy that weighs 150 would have a huge advantage over someone who goes 250 or so when you're sitting on something that only weighs just over 400 lbs.

give you an example in 04 they quoted my 1kRR only to run a 10.4@140 i believe. in 04 i was able to manage a 10.6@136 1.98 60'. i had hard time launching my bike back then as i would bog the bike. was still getting used to the bike and was afraid to loop it. i didnt know how to wheelie back then so if it came up i would of been ****ed. since then i learned how to slip the clutch at 8k. 8k on my bike is right about peak torque. when i learnd this technique i would be able to carry front wheel bout an inch full way thru first gear. the clutch hated me but bike would fly. i did this over and over again down in remote area. i also back then was letting off the gas to shift. now i dont think twice of shifting WOT. thats why im curious to see what my bike can do now since i learned the bike more.
if you look at my 10.6@136 and do the correction for the track that day. it had came out to be 10.4@139 i believe. i was also about 30lbs lighter then and it was hard to keep frontend down.

that was pretty impressive times to some for limited amount of experience and my bike only had a slip on. [proven to gain 1 hp thats it] i bought it for the sound]

its a technque that is hard to truely get right with launching a bike. one slip up and your on your back or worse. its not like you can just dump the clutch and steer. now with a strapped bike and extended swingarm its alot easier to get bike down the track and cut 60's

back when the new R6 cam out the one that rev'd till 21k it pulled 9.5 in the 1/4. it was gear'd and strapped down everything else was stock. i think i read that the rider was leaving the line at 14k i think. sorry but no amature is going to dupilcate that. 14k will put you on your lid quicker then shit. plenty of ppl buy bikes and think cause they read it in a magizine they can go 10s with a 600. i sit there and laugh. whats the difference between a 1kRR and
6RR.....its about 10 mph roughly. hell ppl with busas only see mid high 10s on average and for some to think they will go 10s with a 600 is out of question unless you are one of few that can actually handle the machine. a Squid will argue till they are blue in face how their 600 can do this and that but in reality its a mid 11s ride

**George C** · 10-17-2007, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

The 60' and 330' times are the most crucial when discussing e.t. Think about it like this, what effects the e.t. more stabbing the brakes 1,200' out or at 150' out. A lighter car/bike has the potential to accelerate quicker, all other variables being equal (weight bias, etc.)

For the record, I have witnessed over 1 sec. of variation from 5-speed car to 5-speed car with a trap speed difference less than 2.5 mph.

good example is my notch this year. same car same day different drivers. 13.33@101 vs 14.1@98.......some know a machine some dont

**KBCobra** · 10-17-2007, 04:38 AM

I went 11.26 @ 126 on my 05 R6 when it was dead stock, not even 2k miles on the odometer. Racing these bikes is extremely hard. I did a D&D slip-on and went 11.02 @ 127. I gave up after that, not worth dieing over.

**SV1000s** · 10-17-2007, 09:48 AM

as I stated in the intitial post.. "it's more than possible for an accomplished and SKILLED rider to run in the 10's on a stock 600cc bike given the right (almost perfect) conditions of course (not PRP). Minor mods make it that much easier"

These are numbers from a reputable magazine with professional riders. Sportrider actually rents out a track and tests bikes throughout the year. Adjusted numbers or not...the numbers posted are what the bikes are capable of with a skilled/professional rider (not necessarily any of us). Just because you weren't able to duplicate posted times for your bike doesn't mean the guy next store with 20yrs drag racing bikes can't rip off a mid 10second pass on the same bike. Nowadays 600cc bikes are faster (1/4 mile NOT top speed) than 1000cc bikes of 5-6 years ago.

I know I could never personally duplicate the 10.82 1/4 time that Sport Rider posts for my bike...but someone much better than me CAN and HAS.

It comes down to skill...no matter how good any of us are or have been at the track with a motorcycle, I highly doubt anyone on this board has a NHRA Type D license to back up any "professional" claims......thus congratulations to tom dick joe and larry for running consistent 11's (that is awesome!!) with the 600cc bikes that have the potential to break into the 10's given a professional/highly skilled rider as posted in the intial post. Running in the 11's and 10's at PRP or anywhere for that matter whether it be a 600 or litre class bike is VERY impressive as streetbikes are meant for the twisties not the 1/4.

**SV1000s** · 10-17-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

good example is my notch this year. same car same day different drivers. 13.33@101 vs 14.1@98.......some know a machine some dont

BINGO!

**went9s** · 10-17-2007, 10:41 AM

not the notch storys again

Quick is always e-fighting with somone.

**scott5** · 10-17-2007, 01:27 PM

like how it all started and i stated at the beginning. Its about the RIDER more than the bike.. With your notch you have proven my point.

**George C** · 10-17-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by SV1000s

as I stated in the intitial post.. "it's more than possible for an accomplished and SKILLED rider to run in the 10's on a stock 600cc bike given the right (almost perfect) conditions of course (not PRP). Minor mods make it that much easier"

These are numbers from a reputable magazine with professional riders. Sportrider actually rents out a track and tests bikes throughout the year. Adjusted numbers or not...the numbers posted are what the bikes are capable of with a skilled/professional rider (not necessarily any of us). Just because you weren't able to duplicate posted times for your bike doesn't mean the guy next store with 20yrs drag racing bikes can't rip off a mid 10second pass on the same bike. Nowadays 600cc bikes are faster (1/4 mile NOT top speed) than 1000cc bikes of 5-6 years ago.

I know I could never personally duplicate the 10.82 1/4 time that Sport Rider posts for my bike...but someone much better than me CAN and HAS.

It comes down to skill...no matter how good any of us are or have been at the track with a motorcycle, I highly doubt anyone on this board has a NHRA Type D license to back up any "professional" claims......thus congratulations to tom dick joe and larry for running consistent 11's (that is awesome!!) with the 600cc bikes that have the potential to break into the 10's given a professional/highly skilled rider as posted in the intial post. Running in the 11's and 10's at PRP or anywhere for that matter whether it be a 600 or litre class bike is VERY impressive as streetbikes are meant for the twisties not the 1/4.

o i know about bikes man, know all about how they are today vs yesterday. right now there is no point honestly to upgrade my bike to the present model. they are just too damm strong now. the difference in power wont be noticed but on topend. twisties and 04 and 08 will be the same. it will be up to rider

in the end it all comes down to rider or driver. theres some great drivers on this site. the times they get out of their cars cant be touched by others

**George C** · 10-17-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by scott5

like how it all started and i stated at the beginning. Its about the RIDER more than the bike.. With your notch you have proven my point.

yea and i wonder what it runs now, i would love ot hear it hit a 11.9. it was setup to run that this year...wonder if it did

**SV1000s** · 10-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Quik

o i know about bikes man, know all about how they are today vs yesterday. right now there is no point honestly to upgrade my bike to the present model. they are just too damm strong now. the difference in power wont be noticed but on topend. twisties and 04 and 08 will be the same. it will be up to rider

in the end it all comes down to rider or driver. theres some great drivers on this site. the times they get out of their cars cant be touched by others

agreed 100% !

**Pure Stock** · 10-18-2007, 12:41 AM

A good example to parallel the super bike mags is Muscle Mustangs&Fast Fords. They perform tests on stock Mustangs in *ideal* conditions. There tracks of choice are English Town and Atco. With elevations checking in at 80' and 33' respectively. The tracks are also prepped just a little better (VHT sprayed out to the 100'-150' mark). And just because they "say" they had 4 runs into the e.t.'s does not mean they haven't experimented with launch rpm, shift rpm, etc. Hell, they go as far as to dyno some *stock* examples to help them dial in shift points. It's a science, no doubt. People then b$tch when they are many many moons off from the e.t. they publish.

I've followed many of their project cars closely. Stone Pony and Project Stocker to name a few. There is an immense dedication and skill when a manual trans. application is being wrung out. Many people lose the moxy and drive to *compete* with the magazine articles e.t.'s. Very, very few can accomplish the same goals, and a miniscule amount of those people actually eclispe that e.t.

The whole point here is, they set the bar relatively high and have the resources to make it happen. For the average enthusiast the e.t.'s may seem un-reachable. However, someone who has the perserverance to take it to the next level (driver mod as well) has a hell of a good chance to achieve an e.t. very similar to what they publish.