The results are in....

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

why do you have to pull motor to fix gaskets? you can do gaskets in the car

you tuned it up at Wyotech in a warm bulding right? so your A/F was 12.0 which is on the verge side. you drove to pittsburgh where the outside temps were noticable colder correct? with a noticable colder temp a motor will run leaner, with a 12.0 and 13 psi and now you go low temps and make the car run even leaner. so theres a chance you were running 12.4 a/f when you romped on it. denotation happend and popped a cylinder and probably number 7

i would of shot for a 11.5-11.7 A/F

also thought you said the pumps were fine in a previous post

it was thought that they were fine... but u might not understand making a mistake... we all know that you never have

motor will need pulled to fix gaskets b/c when the turbo kit was built, it can't come off without dropping the cradle... can't fix gaskets without pulling the headers off...

**somethingclever** · 10-25-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

why do you have to pull motor to fix gaskets? you can do gaskets in the car

you tuned it up at Wyotech in a warm bulding right? so your A/F was 12.0 which is on the verge side. you drove to pittsburgh where the outside temps were noticable colder correct? with a noticable colder temp a motor will run leaner, with a 12.0 and 13 psi and now you go low temps and make the car run even leaner. so theres a chance you were running 12.4 a/f when you romped on it. denotation happend and popped a cylinder and probably number 7

i would of shot for a 11.5-11.7 A/F

also thought you said the pumps were fine in a previous post

So let me get this straight....if FOMOCO was producing mustangs and selling them to people in Haiti......then they turned around sold a couple mustangs to people in Alberta....FOMOCO would need two different tunes on the same mustangs due to the temp differences of their final destination????

And by the way....lean does NOT equal detonation.

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

it was thought that they were fine... but u might not understand making a mistake... we all know that you never have

motor will need pulled to fix gaskets b/c when the turbo kit was built, it can't come off without dropping the cradle... can't fix gaskets without pulling the headers off...

how about i come out to you and fix your car along with you? forgot how your header/turbos are setup

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by somethingclever

So let me get this straight....if FOMOCO was producing mustangs and selling them to people in Haiti......then they turned around sold a couple mustangs to people in Alberta....FOMOCO would need two different tunes on the same mustangs due to the temp differences of their final destination????

And by the way....lean does NOT equal detonation.

ok bud then explain denotation? seen issues like bish's that went lean and popped gaskets if that was the case. i dont see to many LS platforms in the 12.0 A/F range well not on pump gas. now race gas ive seen 12.0 setups

lean is mean and makes most power but at the verge of danger

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

how about i come out to you and fix your car along with you? forgot how your header/turbos are setup

when the kit was built, the purpose of it was to be able to take it off without dropping the cradle, but unfortunately this didnt work out as planned.... or so that's what jay told me... i never tried, just took his word for it that the turbos aren't coming out without the motor being dropped....

it really didnt matter to me that much b/c i didnt plan on having to do this so soon :(

*sigh* this is so disheartening

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 10:57 AM

this comes from several big known turbo ppl on tech... same shit i was saying

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.p...1&postcount=10

proof of what i was saying

also heres the full thread of the ppl telling bish exactly what i just told him

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804282

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

when the kit was built, the purpose of it was to be able to take it off without dropping the cradle, but unfortunately this didnt work out as planned.... or so that's what jay told me... i never tried, just took his word for it that the turbos aren't coming out without the motor being dropped....

it really didnt matter to me that much b/c i didnt plan on having to do this so soon :(

*sigh* this is so disheartening

hows it feel to think you know shit? I told you along with others told you it wasnt lifting hte heads it was cause of the tune. No body in the LS world runs a 12.0 A/F on pump gas.

you also stated that on the street it was boosting higher...didnt i say that also? real world and dyno are different figures.

**gmkillr** · 10-25-2007, 11:23 AM

Blown application should be tuned to the 11.0-11.5 A/F range to be on the safe side for a street driven car that runs on pump gas.
IMO.

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

hows it feel to think you know shit?

quik, of all ppl, u telling someone that is an absolute ****ing joke...

i had no reason to believe that the tune was the cause... even on the street, we had plenty of logs to support that the engine was running fine, not knocking, and not running too lean... maybe 12.0 is too lean, but in all the time i spent on the FI forum, 12.0 was generally the # to shoot for... and i still don't know... only way to tell is to tear the heads off and find out...

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by gmkillr

Blown application should be tuned to the 11.0-11.5 A/F range to be on the safe side for a street driven car that runs on pump gas.
IMO.

well, if that's truly the case, then i can only pray that the motor is fine, and that new head gaskets and a revised tune is all she'll need....

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by SonofaBish

quik, of all ppl, u telling someone that is an absolute ****ing joke...

i had no reason to believe that the tune was the cause... even on the street, we had plenty of logs to support that the engine was running fine, not knocking, and not running too lean... maybe 12.0 is too lean, but in all the time i spent on the FI forum, 12.0 was generally the # to shoot for... and i still don't know... only way to tell is to tear the heads off and find out...

12.0 is lean for 93 since you are not sure on what octane you truely are getting. 12.0 is what ppl shoot for on race gas or Meth injection. since meth is alchocal based and allows for hardly much if any denoation. if you want to run those levels as yoru car was making think of Meth. im sure you owuld rather run washer fluid then replace gaskets daily

spend more time in the FI world and see where ppl are sitting for street. 11.5 is safe and makes power on street

as for the reference to me...LOL i told you what happend and you doubted me. then proven ppl tell you the same thing and you believe them...UM get your head out of yoru ass Bish.

best o luck with car. and those are some nice numbers for sure

also wasnt trying to be a dick at first, but you doubt things and bascially said i didnt know what i was saying................. so your replys are how they are. good luck and get it together. and good thing the car is down for winter. remember last winter when you couldnt handle 3xx hp, just htink of how it would of been with 7xx when you lost control when fishtailing

**TPG** · 10-25-2007, 11:35 AM

AFRs were between 11.4-11.6 on the dyno looking back through the last few pulls. On the street AFRs stayed the same with NO knock in any gears. Ambient air temp is compensated for with the IAT sensor, if the car is tuned properly AFRs should be the same whether it is 90* or 0*. Also, with a forced induction setup you'll rarely see ambient air temps post intercooler (air-to-air).

Its all he said she said till we get it apart and find out what happened. MLS gaskets work great, I make 1400hp on a 4G63 4cyl with one. Not blowing up my own skirt here but I do this for a living, the tune is dead on.

Quik, you have something stuck in your ass? lol ;-) j/k

Nate

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by TPG

AFRs were between 11.4-11.6 on the dyno looking back through the last few pulls. On the street AFRs stayed the same with NO knock in any gears. Ambient air temp is compensated for with the IAT sensor, if the car is tuned properly AFRs should be the same whether it is 90* or 0*. Also, with a forced induction setup you'll rarely see ambient air temps post intercooler (air-to-air).

Its all he said she said till we get it apart and find out what happened. MLS gaskets work great, I make 1400hp on a 4G63 4cyl with one. Not blowing up my own skirt here but I do this for a living, the tune is dead on.

Quik, you have something stuck in your ass? lol ;-) j/k

Nate

go visit tech. all say to lean....lean is in reference to tune right? if he was running meth or race fuel then 12.0 is fine. bish came stated 11.8-12.0.

if air temp doesnt reflect a tune then how come many ppl make adjustments when its cooler or warmer for their tune?

end result is after all thsi time bish's car isnt runnign right

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

go visit tech. all say to lean....lean is in reference to tune right? if he was running meth or race fuel then 12.0 is fine. bish came stated 11.8-12.0.

if air temp doesnt reflect a tune then how come many ppl make adjustments when its cooler or warmer for their tune?

end result is after all thsi time bish's car isnt runnign right

bish stated that, b/c that's what i thougth it was...
if TPG says that they dyno read them at w/e he said, then that's what they were at.... i was mistaken i guess

**TPG** · 10-25-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

go visit tech. all say to lean....lean is in reference to tune right? if he was running meth or race fuel then 12.0 is fine. bish came stated 11.8-12.0.

if air temp doesnt reflect a tune then how come many ppl make adjustments when its cooler or warmer for their tune?

end result is after all thsi time bish's car isnt runnign right

AFRs were 11.4-11.6 I have the dyno sheets to prove it, i think Bish just misheard me. There is an air temp correction within the ECU for intake air temp vs. % fuel trim, same as an AEM, Motec, Autronic, etc etc. You dont need to retune a bone stock car when temp changes because of this.

How long have you been tuning cars?

Also you leaving out the possibility of mechanical failure. Did a pump fail? Did somthing happen in the fuel system? Did a vac line for one of the wastegates come off? I don't know, and neither do you, so jumping to conclusions and questioning my credibility prob isan't a good start. The car made over 30 pulls on the dyno and several 1-4th pulls on the street, this happening all of a sudden makes me think its somthing else ;-)

Nate

**George C** · 10-25-2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by TPG

AFRs were 11.4-11.6 I have the dyno sheets to prove it, i think Bish just misheard me. There is an air temp correction within the ECU for intake air temp vs. % fuel trim, same as an AEM, Motec, Autronic, etc etc. You dont need to retune a bone stock car when temp changes because of this.

How long have you been tuning cars?

Also you leaving out the possibility of mechanical failure. Did a pump fail? Did somthing happen in the fuel system? Did a vac line for one of the wastegates come off? I don't know, and neither do you, so jumping to conclusions and questioning my credibility prob isan't a good start. The car made over 30 pulls on the dyno and several 1-4th pulls on the street, this happening all of a sudden makes me think its somthing else ;-)

Nate

never said you cant tune. just said it was lean. as i stated earlier it could been a pump. it popped the gaskets cause it went lean or you could say denoation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or it could of been bish turning up the boost and not saying a word. then comin crying to the net saying his heads werent torqued right. just ot point more blame on jay's work and time. im done with this for now have fun!!!!!!

**somethingclever** · 10-25-2007, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Quik

ok bud then explain denotation? seen issues like bish's that went lean and popped gaskets if that was the case. i dont see to many LS platforms in the 12.0 A/F range well not on pump gas. now race gas ive seen 12.0 setups

lean is mean and makes most power but at the verge of danger

YOu can go slightly lean (12:1) for a couple seconds without detonating.....if the timing is conservative enough.

**SonofaBish** · 10-25-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Quik

or it could of been bish turning up the boost and not saying a word. then comin crying to the net saying his heads werent torqued right. just ot point more blame on jay's work and time. im done with this for now have fun!!!!!!

Are you kidding me quik?? Yea, i'm going to take a chance at blowing THOUSANDS of dollars down the drain by turning up the boost, on an already INSANE car... what kind of asshat says something like that?

**Stangman701** · 10-25-2007, 12:25 PM

Since when is 12.0:1 too lean for forced induction? There's thousands of cobras running around on 12:1 with no problems what-so-ever. A more conservative street tune would be in the 11.5 range, but like stated above, 12.0 isn't going to cause problems unless run for very long times.

**TPG** · 10-25-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Stangman701

Since when is 12.0:1 too lean for forced induction? There's thousands of cobras running around on 12:1 with no problems what-so-ever. A more conservative street tune would be in the 11.5 range, but like stated above, 12.0 isn't going to cause problems unless run for very long times.

I agree, although it might be comparing apples to oranges, I've tuned several cobra's with afrs in the 11.8-11.9 range. Also my 2g when it was on pump gas was tuned around 11.9-12.0, made 520awhp, adn ran 10.11 at 135. Thats on a 2.0l 4 banger.

I'm sure it was somthing simple, Bish will have the car back up here shortly and it should be fixed sometime next week.

Nate