o2 sensors

[Mitternacht]

I just got an air/fuel gauge, and its for narrow band o2 sensors. Are the sensors already in the mustang considered narrow band or do I have to buy a separate one?

[Rodeheaver's]

not sure about the narrow thing, but alost every a/f guage uses the factory O2, unless it is a wideband.

[Mitternacht]

not sure about the narrow thing, but alost every a/f guage uses the factory O2, unless it is a wideband.

Ok, then thats what I needed to know. Yea the gauge I got is narrow band. Thanks.

Edit: Here it is

[wick]

Throw that gauge away, its usless. If you want something that actually does something, get a wideband. Autometer sells a bad ass one for a bit over $300.

[Mitternacht]

Throw that gauge away, its usless. If you want something that actually does something, get a wideband. Autometer sells a bad ass one for a bit over $300.

I'm not made of money right now, ok?

[gmkillr]

You could either do it right the 1st time or spend the money twice. Whats more expensive to you???;)

[Mitternacht]

You could either do it right the 1st time or spend the money twice. Whats more expensive to you???;)

I was gonna pick an oil temp gauge, but that seemed kinda pointless; thats why I went with the air/fuel gauge they offered.

[Smallville]

If that gauge is reading off your factory o2 senser, you will get annoyed with all the needle movement. You're o2 sensor is designed to switch form rich to lean hundreds of times a second. Do you really want to have something in your vision that is moving around that much??? Or you could attach it to one of the rear o2s,, oh wait, without cats they will read the same as the front!
My opinion bud, put your money elsewhere.

[Mitternacht]

If that gauge is reading off your factory o2 senser, you will get annoyed with all the needle movement. You're o2 sensor is designed to switch form rich to lean hundreds of times a second. Do you really want to have something in your vision that is moving around that much??? Or you could attach it to one of the rear o2s,, oh wait, without cats they will read the same as the front!
My opinion bud, put your money elsewhere.

Well I do have cats on the car.

[wick]

Yes. To the answers ^^^ Do it right the first time and save.

[u1arunit]

yep as was said, wideband or save for one!

[Mitternacht]

Well first, maybe I should clarify something:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...187460475&rd=1

On here i got a 3 pod pillar and 3 gauges of my choice on here. I chose vac/boost, fuel psi and air/fuel ratio.

Always wanted gauges on the pillar, always wanted a boost gauge since there was never one installed before I got it. Now I can afford to do it.

I dont exactly have financial freedom, so getting little things like this to make my car a little better is nice. I bought the car exactly the way it is now, and this is the first amount of money in parts I'm putting into it besides maintenance. I'm only 18 so cut me some slack instead of telling me to dump $300 on 1 gauge. Not ranting or anything, just helping you understand the situation a little better.

[SonofaBish]

Smallville is right... the narrowband o2's jump all over the place.... Its a total waste of a guage imho... I'd say you should choose something that maybe you're stock guage isnt so good.... For example, on my LS1 T/A, the stock water temp guage is finicky... I'd get it before getting the narrowband.... Oil pressure or water temp are better choices imho

good luck!

on a side note... is it an aboslute necessity to get the guage pillar? Do you feel you need the extra guages, or are you only doing it for looks?

[mlowry1260]

Throw that gauge away, its usless. If you want something that actually does something, get a wideband. Autometer sells a bad ass one for a bit over $300.

Sorry, but this is a get what you pay for situation. Save up for a wideband that has logging & a rpm pickup if you want to tune with it. Narrow bands are no good for tuning.

[Mitternacht]

Smallville is right... the narrowband o2's jump all over the place.... Its a total waste of a guage imho... I'd say you should choose something that maybe you're stock guage isnt so good.... For example, on my LS1 T/A, the stock water temp guage is finicky... I'd get it before getting the narrowband.... Oil pressure or water temp are better choices imho

good luck!

on a side note... is it an aboslute necessity to get the guage pillar? Do you feel you need the extra guages, or are you only doing it for looks?

Ok I guess its not too late to switch the gauge choice.

I was doing it for function/looks. I really like seeing gauges on the pillar, and I need a boost gauge. Honestly, I don't have any idea how much boost my supercharger is making; I'm guessing 10lbs. And honestly, I don't know much about my car's history.

[Viper_ed]

Do you really want to have something in your vision that is moving around that much???

A wideband will move around all over the place as well when you're driving it around not at WOT.

[u1arunit]

A wideband will move around all over the place as well when you're driving it around not at WOT.

Right! I was going to say the same thing. PJ1 (had) one and he saw the light and got a true wide band as well.

[Viper_ed]

Right! I was going to say the same thing. PJ1 (had) one and he saw the light and got a true wide band as well.

Yep, they're one of the craziest gauges you will ever watch in a car. The tach actually moves less.

[Rodeheaver's]

Hey hey hey, ease up fellas, at least he can see if she goes full lean or rich... and if you get to know the characteristics of any guage, you will know that any varience from the norm will be a sign of a problem...

[u1arunit]

Hey hey hey, ease up fellas, at least he can see if she goes full lean or rich... and if you get to know the characteristics of any guage, you will know that any varience from the norm will be a sign of a problem...

With regard to regular gauges I would agree with you.

The problem with that notion is that this car is a forced induction application that *needs* an accurately reading wide band o2 sensor. The reliability of the combo depends on this information and the driver needs to know what is good and not acceptable readings. The one pictured reads off the o2 sensor which are notoriously innacurate as they are best accurate around 14.7 only.

Personally I would have the car dyno tuned for 11.0-11.5AF ratio and be sure to get a good wide band asap.