Project Maxine

[RUSH2112]

This is the setup that I am going to go with. After removing the engine and doing a .30 over bore and cleanup here are the goodies that are going on:

AFR 165cc Street Heads, Pedestal, 60cc
FRPP Upper/Lower Chrome Polished Intake
FRPP B303 Cam
FRPP 24# Fuel Injectors
FRPP 1.6 Roller Rockers
ARP Head Bolts
Fel-Pro Head Gaskets
70mm Throttle Body
75 MAF Meter


Will this work? and how much HP am I looking at (the rear wheels)?
Is there something that I am missing or misquoted?

[Mater]

sounds like a good combo!

[Killercanary]

Sounds like a good combo, the only thing I'd change is the cam and I'd get stud mount heads over pedestal. Pedestals can be a PITA to get the valvetrain right in, trust me on this. Also, depending on how much power you want to make and in what RPM range, I may also reconcider the intake choice. The cobra intake isn't bad for a mild application, but there are better choices out there IMO. If you really want to stay on the mild side then your combo will work. I wouldn't expect much more than 270-280rwhp though at best.

The 165's will work great for your planned combo, but more than likely the new pistons you put in after the rebuild will allow you to run a 2.02" intake valve like those found in the AFR185.

[gmkillr]

http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article051/A-P1.htm

Check this article out, its from afr website under the article's section.
Its stud mount afr 165's w/ a ported cobra lower & stock upper w/ the stock Cobra cam making 303rwhp & 341rwtq w/ a rich tune at 12:1 a/f
Your combo should be close to this especially if you do a better cam than the stock Cobra. Id stay away from the B-cam, and either go w/ an E-303 if you want an OTS cam, but we all know the best route would to be go custom. Id also upgrade your fuel pump to a gss340 255lph fuel pump.

[RUSH2112]

http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article051/A-P1.htm

Check this article out, its from afr website under the article's section.
Its stud mount afr 165's w/ a ported cobra lower & stock upper w/ the stock Cobra cam making 303rwhp & 341rwtq w/ a rich tune at 12:1 a/f
Your combo should be close to this especially if you do a better cam than the stock Cobra. Id stay away from the B-cam, and either go w/ an E-303 if you want an OTS cam, but we all know the best route would to be go custom. Id also upgrade your fuel pump to a gss340 255lph fuel pump.

Thanks for the advice. I replaced my fuel pump last month with BBK (walbro) 255lph pump.

[RUSH2112]

Sounds like a good combo, the only thing I'd change is the cam and I'd get stud mount heads over pedestal. Pedestals can be a PITA to get the valvetrain right in, trust me on this. Also, depending on how much power you want to make and in what RPM range, I may also reconcider the intake choice. The cobra intake isn't bad for a mild application, but there are better choices out there IMO. If you really want to stay on the mild side then your combo will work. I wouldn't expect much more than 270-280rwhp though at best.

The 165's will work great for your planned combo, but more than likely the new pistons you put in after the rebuild will allow you to run a 2.02" intake valve like those found in the AFR185.

I wasn't planning on putting in new pistons, just some seals and bearing. Do I need pistons? I guess I do if I am going to bore it out. What do you think of a 331 stroker kit?

[Stangman701]

I wasn't planning on putting in new pistons, just some seals and bearing. Do I need pistons? I guess I do if I am going to bore it out. What do you think of a 331 stroker kit?

Yeah if you bore it you'll need new pistons, at which point it would be better to go with the 185's instead of the 165's. All the tests I've seen on the two show that the 185's are just as good as the 165's down low and have a few more ponys in the upper rpms. Like mentioned above AFR's website has a ton of very good articles outlining a lot of different combos. You can check those out and just try to mimic one of the combos that they tested that way you'll know what kind of potential you have. I've seen some tests in MM&FF where a stock displacement 5.0 with the 185's and I think a comp cams xe274 made in the neighborhood of 420 hp on an engine dyno. The comp xe(extreme energy) series of cams have been tested a lot and have always seemed to make good power with the AFR heads. As far as the 331 if your budget allows it would definitely be a good idea. The extra cubes would help take advantage of the new heads and would also up the compression a little. Sounds like you've got some serious plans good luck man

[Killercanary]

You mentioned a 30 over bore in your first post, so that is why I assumed you had new pistons. The 331/347 is DEFINITELY better than a 302/306. if you went that route you would need to rethink the combo though as you'd need a better cam, intake, and at the least a set of 185's for the extra cubes.

[Viper_ed]

Sounds like this project will be tough to finish up for that $2,000 budget number you were talking about.

[fork5o]

Im curious about the 185s. Could they be used if you were just doin at H/C/I swap say for a year and then decided to work on the block.

[Killercanary]

For the best price on AFR heads shipped check with Kevin at http://www.kskustoms.com Tell him I sent you, I don't think you'll find a better deal.

I have a set of AFR185's for sale, but they are pedestal and are not for the novice to install.

[Killercanary]

Im curious about the 185s. Could they be used if you were just doin at H/C/I swap say for a year and then decided to work on the block.

They will not clear the stock pistons. You'd need to fly cut them for the 185's to work, but in that case they would.

[blkp42e]

Sounds like this project will be tough to finish up for that $2,000 budget number you were talking about.

thats what i was thinking. the heads alone should be just over half of the budget. not to mention the injectors, cam maf, machinework etc.

good luck though.

[Viper_ed]

the heads alone should be just over half of the budget. not to mention the injectors, cam maf, machinework etc.

[RUSH2112]

thats what i was thinking. the heads alone should be just over half of the budget. not to mention the injectors, cam maf, machinework etc.

good luck though.

Your all correct. It is going to be aroun $3 for just the parts and that is not including the bore or the 331 stroker kit..... Now I don't know what to do........

[blkp42e]

Your all correct. It is going to be aroun $3 for just the parts and that is not including the bore or the 331 stroker kit..... Now I don't know what to do........

just do the 331 stroker and get some mild port work done on your stock heads for the time being. and maybe if budget allows, get a better flowing upper and lower intake manifold.... that will set you at a decent building block for more serious mods such as larger cam or a better flowing valvetrain as funds become available.

that way you arent really killing yourself to pay for stuff.

remember, cars depreciate.

[Viper_ed]

just do the 331 stroker and get some mild port work done on your stock heads for the time being. and maybe if budget allows, get a better flowing upper and lower intake manifold.... that will set you at a decent building block for more serious mods such as larger cam or a better flowing valvetrain as funds become available.

that way you arent really killing yourself to pay for stuff.

remember, cars depreciate.

I agree with everything except wasting ANY money on the stock heads for porting.

[cam303]

I would suggest trick flow heads over afr. It will make more power and you can run a decent cam and a 2.02 valve without fly cutting the pistons.

[Killercanary]

I would suggest trick flow heads over afr. It will make more power and you can run a decent cam and a 2.02 valve without fly cutting the pistons.

I beg to differ. :)

[cam303]

Can provide proof!!