Still like Obama..?

[gmkillr]

Everyone needs to vote for McCain.

Why?

[Killercanary]

Wow, what a great post Don, and I agree with you and have little else to add other than to state that I did the same thing in my own life as you mentioned below.

When you are young and idealistic, you will be a Democrat. I was. I even worked for a Union when I was going to school.

When you grow up and realize the effects of the Democratic idealology, you will change to Republican.

[SAC81]

Why?

So he's elected President.

[gmkillr]

So he's elected President.

And what reason's do you want him elected President?

[SAC81]

Short version:

Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama are extremely liberal politicians who's adherence to policies which would facilitate the complete creation of a nanny-state are fundamentally opposed to my core beliefs in individual liberty and personal freedom. Furthermore, I disagree with their foreign policy objectives; I believe that their foreign policy goals would lead to weakened American security. This leaves John McCain, who will certainly get my vote.

[Rol232]

If some are unsure of what he stands for, here is a simplified list of Obama's allegiences...



• He voted against banning partial birth abortion.

• He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state
abortions.

• Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

• In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

• Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage
affair.

• Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

• His religious convictions are very murky.

• He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

• Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have
a conference with all Muslim nations.

• Opposed the Patriot Act.

• First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.

• Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

• Supports universal health-care.

• Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

• Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

• Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

• Voted NO to making English the official language of the USA.

• Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.

• Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

• Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.

• Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

• Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.

• Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports
increasing the amount of tax paid.

• He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.

• He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax

• He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

• Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

• He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that
takes some doing.



Nothing to do with issues, I don't like either Democratic canidates. Their campaigns have taken a negative turn recently. They seem more preoccupied with political hit-jobs than core issues.

I'm a registered Republican and place my voting priorities on gun control and foreign policy. I placed my trust in McCain since the start of the primaries. In a time of war I'd much rather have somebody in office who has decades of close ties with the military establishment.

Everyone has their own perspective.

[Killercanary]

George, where would one look to find such information? That's my biggest problem is that I can't seem to find information like this.

[Rol232]

In a nutshell

Hillary Clinton

Barack Obama

John McCain

[03 OW SVT]

X10000000000000000000



In all honesty, I CAN"T BELIEVE that an AMERICAN would vote for OBAMA. HE HAS GONE TO THIS RACIST, AMERICAN HATING, "CHURCH" FOR 20 YRS! NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS NOW, HE HAS BELIEVED THE "PASTOR" ENOUGH TO CONTINUE TO ATTEND THERE FOR ALL THIS TIME.


[u]WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE IS BAD FOR AMERICA!!!!!!![/U]

X300125698.

Did anyone hear what he said about his white grandmother? " He said she was a typical white woman" He's not going to get many white voters that way.

[Twin01cobra]

And what reason's do you want him elected President?

Lets here your reasons for wanting osama or momma for pres.

[gmkillr]

Lets here your reasons for wanting osama or momma for pres.

I honestly dont know who im voting for. Was kinda leaning in the Obama direction, but maybe leaning towards the McCain side now. One thing is for sure I would never vote for Clinton!



Rol232, Someone could come up with a list like that for every canidate. Someone could also come up w/ a list to make any of the canidates look really good.;)

[TJH64]

I VOTE DONSTANG86

[Donstang86]

I VOTE DONSTANG86

That's a lot scarier then the three current candidates but thanks for the kudos!

That was a good way to break up the post. Eveyone's ready to start finger pointing. Put the information out there with your feelings on the subject. Dogging someone for their beliefs or choice for a candidate is not going to make them vote different. If people listen, that's fine. Facts are Facts. More Information allows an educated decision.

I wish this election would be the result of the popular vote. I hate the delegate and supper delegate bull. Next will be the double supper dooper delegates or some crap. Popular voltes, he (or she) with the most votes win. But that is too much common sense. That will happen about as soon as a flat tax for everyone.

People will vote the way they want. I don't dog someone for that. Freedom of choice is why we have the Greatest Country in the World.

Hell they may even drive... a Chevy if they like.

[map351]

https://www.jerrydoyle.com/pg/jsp/ch...NwP3BpZD0zMTQy

[Donstang86]

Obama....
Clinton....

Watching these two idiots find new ways to screw up their quest for nomination is getting to be funny.

What will be the next act with these two boneheads?

Our story begins with.......

Baraca "Baby Hussein" Obama, now playing the race card with his mentor racist Rev. Wright and his token "she is a typical ordinary white woman" grandmomma, who he sold out to the public...

vs

Rambo Hillary, who flies into to war zones under sniper fire when the only thing discharging around her was her hubby "Billy Bob" on to an intern named Monica

So THEY ARE BOTH EVEN......WRIGHT..........I mean Right?

This is getting better everyday

[Twin01cobra]

Obama....
Clinton....

Watching these two idiots find new ways to screw up their quest for nomination is getting to be funny.

What will be the next act with these two boneheads?

Our story begins with.......

Baraca "Baby Hussein" Obama, now playing the race card with his mentor racist Rev. Wright and his token "she is a typical ordinary white woman" grandmomma, who he sold out to the public...

vs

Rambo Hillary, who flies into to war zones under sniper fire when the only thing discharging around her was her hubby "Billy Bob" on to an intern named Monica

So THEY ARE BOTH EVEN......WRIGHT..........I mean Right?

This is getting better everyday

It's sad to see that these are the best to people the dems could come up with, not that the republicans did much better, but I'll take mccane anyday over the dynamic duo. If osama wins you get change, which is about all you'll have left in your pocket, if billery wins we will have free healthcare that will just add another big tax increase to pay for it.

[Donstang86]

What really bothers me about these two is the overall lack of INTERGRITY.

That was the same problem with the last Democratic canidate John Kerry, which the voters of the State of Pennsylvania tried to elect. And that is the problem with these two IDIOTS!

Obama basically sees nothing wrong with his assocaition with his racist church & racist minister. YOU choose where to go to church and if you do not like what your minister says, you LEAVE and go somewhere else.
Think about the fact that he has kids forcefed this crap. If he has no concern for his own kids, what concern does he have for YOUR KIDS?
Everything he did was ok in Obama's own mind.

Then you have Hillary who was in the White House for years. She knows the Military will NEVER have a President and/or First Lady fly into a HOT ZONE.... NEVER! She comes up with this Political Bull to make her look fearless. You all saw the video. How can you confuse walking up to a group of people with Sniper fire. When someone is firing at you, YOU WILL REMEMEBER THAT! The individual who was incharge of the operation was pissed about her her LYING. If he would have had her fly into a Sniper / Hot Zone, he would have been court-martialed. The court-martial would have been all over the news but did not happen because her lying event NEVER HAPPENNED..except in her own mind.

This is a person who wants to be Commander and Chief of the strongest Military in the World. Remember the story about her wanting the Marine Color Guard to wait tables at a dinner and then trying to have the Sergent - Major kicked out of the service for telling her NO.

INTEGRITY - NOT! Both of these BONE HEADS rate a ZERO on the INTEGRITY LEVEL.

But that is their overall mental weaknesses that tells them both that what they say and do are ok because they are OBAMA and HILLARY. They both are in enviroments where to lie is normal everyday routine because it is the means to an end result. That is all either one of these candidates see. "A MEANS to an END".

I guess everyone is suppose to overlook everything they say and do? SCARY but that is what is in each of their MINDS!

Quoting Dr. Michael Savage " Liberalism is a Mental Disease"

These two are definitely infected.

[StreetVENOM]

The Clinton's might bring a "sexual" white house to the fore front but as long as the economy is good and my pockets and family are full....I DONT CARE!!! Hilary in '08!!!!

I will not vote for a man who does not salute our flag!!!

I agree 100% .. when clinton was in office the economy was amazing, gas prices were down and low, and everything is perfect and then this ass bush f**ked everything up ..


so i def agree and think clintons should get back in the white house so they can fix that crap!!


and whats wrong with "sexual family"?? we all like sex right?? hahah

[Donstang86]

I agree 100% .. when clinton was in office the economy was amazing, gas prices were down and low, and everything is perfect and then this ass bush f**ked everything up ..

Wow, that is an excellent statement! The Economy was AMAZING.... and PERFECT? Tell me more?

Reading some of the post regarding this subject is like a flashback to me when I was growing up. When I made similiar statements to my older brother (the first Engineer in our family) he would listen to my vague statement and then sytematically dismantle the statement (and me). I always lost a debate with him because of my lack of preparation before I said something. He used to say "If you have no supporting data, when you open your mouth, all that will come out is a turd." Pretty Funny huh (but true). I used to hate that statement but he was so right. I would figure out to have my "I" dotted and my "T"S crossed along with any supporting information before I presented an argument or a evaluation.

I learned his methodology and actually use it today. If one of my Engineers would make a vague statement to me regarding an issue, I would ask to see his specific data to support his statement. If he had no supporting data, I do not want to hear his issue. I would tell him to get specific data and do not make any statements without supporting data.

I tell them all the time, "Do your homework.
DATA TALKS, BULL SH-T WALKS".

My brother taught me well.

I do not want to dismantle a statement made on this website because we all have a voice and it's good that someone is saying something. PEOPLE ARE ATLEAST THINKING!!

I would like to understand what supporting data was analized to come up with the initial statement. I, unlike my brother, will give you the benefit to teach me what you are stating.

Do you have any Economic data / comparisions that you can share that supports your statements?

Maybe I will start using the data in the quote from a previous post to show specific details.

May I say, "TJH64" DAMN GOOD DATA! Way to do YOUR HOMEWORK.
I WAS IMPRESSED! I saved that link for future use.

If you want to know how effective the mainstream media is, it is amazing how many people fall into the categories below that think Bush is screwing them and Clinton was the greatest President ever. If any Democrat is elected, they WILL repeal the Bush tax cuts. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

Based on using actual tax tables; http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
here are some examples on what the taxes were/are on various incomes/filing status under Clinton and Bush:

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008

Single @ 30K Tax $8,400 Single @ 30K Tax $4,500

Single @ 50K Tax $14,000 Single @ 50K Tax $12,500

Single @ 75K Tax $23,250 Single @ 75K Tax $18,750

Married @ 60K Tax $16,800 Married @ 60K Tax $9,000

Married @ 75K Tax $21,000 Married @ 75K Tax $18,750

Married @ 125K Tax $38,750 Married @ 125K Tax $31,250

I don't know about you guys, but I like to keep more of my hard earned money. Just some food for thought.

For Fun, I will do a breakdown with some of the fabulous data that was provided in a previous post. I could do Paretto charts for a comparison when I get some free time.

The data from the quote says a lot. If your single and you make $30,000
You will pay 28%($8,400) under Clinton and 15%($4,500) under Bush. You would pay 13% more every year to say you all finally got rid of Bush.

Where ever you work, how long would it take for you to get raises to make up a 13% loss? Then figure 13% compounded over Clinton's term of 8 years = $31,200. If you had the $31,200 (DELTA between $8400 and $4500 over 8 years) in the bank, what would that extra money have done for you.

I do not even want to go into the time value of money. If you invested the $31,200 properly, the value theoretically could be worth a minimum two to four times the initial value. $120K that was not in your account because you were funding "Camalot II". And everyone was sitting there with smiles on their faces.

Pretty ugly, pathetic and SCARY! We won't need that money because the government promises to take care of their people.

CORRECTION: REFERENCE THE FOLLOWING QUOTE

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twin01cobra
sheeple

The correction should be made to that statements using the accurate word from a previous post:

We won't need that money because the government promises to take care of their SHEEPLE. Love that WORD!!!

If you make $50,000 you will pay 28% ($14000) and 25% ($12500) under Bush. Delta of 3%. That is not so much, huh. I guess you can afford to give up $1500. What would $1,500 put into an IRA every year over the 8 years be worth today? Enough with the Economics.

Are you married? Combined earnings and making $60,000, Under Clinton you and the Mrs.would pay 28% ($16,800) and 15% ($9,000) under Bush. So what could you and the Mrs. do with $7,800. A married couple making only $60,000 a year is struggling. What would $7,800 put into an IRA every year over the 8 years be worth today? Would that help putting a kid through College one day?

The Clinton's thank you all for your sacrifice... NOT.

"DATA TALKS...BULLSH-T WALKS"

I thought the Democrats (almost rhymes with hypocrites) were supposed to be helping people who are not making a lot of money? The data shows different. What does it look like to you?

Taking an extra 13% ($7800) off of a married couple who are not making anything in the first place does not support the Democratic candidates statements about helping the people now does it?

And then the Republicans give you an economic stimulus for doing nothing.

I do not remember any elected Democrat giving any money back. They all tell you they will when they get elected. They all lie like an ex-wife in a court room. If you have something that says otherwise, I would love to see it.

I know, everything cost more now because of Bush right?

Take it a step further and do a salary comparison between the Clinton Years Vs the Bush Years. I hypothetically would think the salary delta would be approximately 16% to 25%+ for the Bush Years. I do not have the data to substantiate my Hypothesis with the exception of my own salary structure. So what I am saying, salaries have gone up like the cost of consumables have gone up, including gasoline. Some items went up proportional and other above/below. If your salary or yearly wage did not go up 15%-20% (3% increase for 8 years is 24%) from 1996 to today, you all need to find another job.

Is your life that bad, that as a functional responsible human being, that you need to elect an individual to put MORE government in place to SAVE YOU FROM YOURSELF?

If you say YES, then making more money is not going to save you.

Neither will Clinton or Obama.

[Twin01cobra]

I agree 100% .. when clinton was in office the economy was amazing, gas prices were down and low, and everything is perfect and then this ass bush f**ked everything up ..


so i def agree and think clintons should get back in the white house so they can fix that crap!!


and whats wrong with "sexual family"?? we all like sex right?? hahah

Clueless is all I got to say