Originally Posted by Troll
"Could you please use proper grammar when posting?"
"Could you please use proper grammar when posting?"
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Growing up.............Not everyone does it!
do you want me to edit it after the fact?
the fat girl thing is still funny, right?
Fat girl thing? I'm not sure what your talking about???
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Growing up.............Not everyone does it!
casualties are dead and wounded. 406,000 dead is still a far cry (it's about 1% of that for the current Iraq war) from where we are now defending our country in a 5-year conflict.
This thread is about Obama. If you think he's another Clinton and you liked that then vote for him. Let him tax you into oblivion. I hope you all like paying lots and lots of taxes so our leaders can pay off other nations so they like us and don't attack us. That's a comforting way to live.
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you seemed to like it in post #32
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Unless you make $200K+ a year then Obama is going to give you tax cuts from what your paying now. Do you think Clinton or McCain is going to do this for the middle class?
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The freaking Democatic Senate/House just rejected the continuation of the Bush tax cuts. Obama might tell you that and he might even try to pass it, but it won't happen.
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How about this?
I vote for none of the above!!!
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I am registered as a Republican. I DO NOT like McCain, but he's all I got. I am a Libertarian by nature. Ron Paul dropped out, plus he was just plain nuts. Just for the record, I like debating on this subject. I do not dislike you nor am I angry at anybody here just because we have different opinions. This is what makes this country great.How about this?
I vote for none of the above!!!
Where are all my conservative friends anyway? How about a little help around here. I'm going to bed.
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This is why the whole subject of politics sucks ass. Only starts arguements. As for the WWII Only war to have more dead missing then the civil war was vietnam. And it thanks to the great government was considered a police action. I consider all politicians corrupt and immoral on most things. It boils down to voteing for the lesser of evils as you may see it. As for the surplus. Gas prices weren't this high when billy bob clinton was in was it? I voted for bush. I stand behind kiling those damn rag heads, though he had more in his idea of why(oil) then I did. I see it as repayment for 9/11(may all in it and those now r.i.p) I served in the U.S.Army I will always back my country. My dad did in Nam and I will til the day I die. You attack us I say wipe out your damn country. They did it in Pearl we destroyed them. As for the whole relam of politics it sucks and can cause arguements of friends over nothing. They all suck it boils down to personal prefference and thats it. If I mispelled anything or my grammar is not up to par forgive me I am no teacher nor do i quiz myself every day.where do you think this surplus of cash came from? taxes maybe? why do you think it's a good thing if the government has a surplus of cash? WTF? I want that surplus in my pocket... not the government.
For all you fact finders out there, go read the constitution. The only job the US Government is supposed to do is protect our borders. Plain and simple. Hillary couldn't keep a fat girl out of her bedroom.
This has turned into a "duke it out" thread.
I am a registered Rep. and I am not voting for anyone this election. Whats the use? They are all a punch of crooks and will one way or another get our hard earned $$$.
I HATE POLITICS. Nuff said
P.S Sorry for bad grammer and missed spelled words.
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it was on CNN. and yes he did say that on tv
but i also agree with your one post bout
i vote for none of the above, cause i feel no one running is worth a damn, no matter who is elected they are gonna f**k us like the drivethru,lol....
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I agree! I don't trust Obama as he suddenly came out of nowhere with millions of $$$...somebody or some group (like that radical church) is backing him. With Hillary, who wants 2 families to rule the white house for 20 years? She hasn't done anything significant either.
Hind sight is always 20/20..... if you could predict the future I doubt you'd even be posting on this site. No one can say for certain if Kerry/Edwards would have been better than G-dubya... and anyone saying for a fact that they would have been better is ignorant... How can one prove that Kerry would have been better....can't, it's one's gut instinct/hunch talking and there's no proof to back that up. Opinions are like a$$hole$...everyone has one.
Couple of things.....
1. Don't believe everything you hear or see on the news as most news is biased towards the democrats or republicans. BBC America is by far the best IMO as they "seem" to unbiasely report on all issues.
2. I'm registered Independent for a few reasons....main one being I can't stand politicians as they're ALL crooked bastards and in it for themselves. I'm a liberal Republican and a conservative Democrat and i vote for whomever I please.
3. Saying you're democrat or republican and that you have to vote for your party is ridiculous. that's like saying that the only church around is presbyterian but since your catholic you won't go. God is God and church is church........
4. Politics is politics......who gives a damn about whether one or the other candidate(s) is democrat or republican...vote for who you believe in your heart is the best candidate that fits your ideals.
Chances are....4 years from now you'll be second guessing who should have been in office anyways!
Last edited by SV1000s; 03-16-2008 at 12:09 AM.
Change , that's all you will have left if obama gets in
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Best word I've ever seen.
Thank You, T01C. It's about time I got some back-up here. Does anybody remember the movie "Black Hawk Down". Clinton did what he does best... pull out.
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Best word I've ever seen.
Thank You, T01C. It's about time I got some back-up here. Does anybody remember the movie "Black Hawk Down". Clinton did what he does best... pull out.
I second the "sheeple" statement!
Webster's should include that in their next edition.
Best word I've ever seen.
Thank You, T01C. It's about time I got some back-up here. Does anybody remember the movie "Black Hawk Down". Clinton did what he does best... pull out.
Still in doubt, read it for yourself, this is who obama has been listening to for the past 20 years and still people are willing to vote for this guy.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'
By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008—
Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.
Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.
"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.
"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.
Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.
Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."
Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.
In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in it's preservation"
General Douglas McArthur
More of what the dems have to offer
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/co...tml?cxtype=rss
BOCA RATON — A crowd of more than 500 people waiting for hours this morning for housing voucher applications were dispersed by police in riot gear at the Boca Raton Housing Authority when the applications ran out sooner than expected.
The action prompted complaints that officers used excessive tactics and housing authority officials were incompetent in their planning.
Two people were arrested and six to eight people hospitalized for exhaustion during the ordeal.
Hundreds of people, mostly mothers who had spent more than eight hours in line, were forced to leave the property at 2333 W. Glades Road by 30 Boca Raton Police officers, including SWAT team members, who walked toward the crowd in unison holding their police shields up about 10:30 a.m.
"Leave or face arrest," police officers shouted at the crowd as they urged them out of the housing authority parking lot. People were made to leave the vicinity altogether, with officers forcing them to cross the street and move toward their cars.
The overwhelming turnout of people desperate for housing money came as little surprise to Suzanne Cabrera, president of the Housing Leadership Council of Palm Beach County.
"This is an indication that housing it's still a huge problem," Cabrera said this afternoon. "It's a reflection of people's concern for housing, their uncertainty. I got people today asking me: was this my last chance to get housing I can afford?"
Several other things, such as mortgage foreclosures and high gas prices, are contributing to that feeling of insecurity and desperation, she said.
So whenever word gets out that voucher applications are being handed out, which she said doesn't happen very often, people get full of hope.
Judith Aigen, executive director of the city's housing authority, said once applicants meet the economic and background requirements, those who get a voucher technically must live within Boca Raton for one year, but housing agencies in Palm Beach County have a "hand-shake agreement" allowing people with vouchers to live anywhere in the county during that year.
A study the council conducted Jan. 29 shows the number of people needing housing is still pretty high.
"Housing is still as valid a concern as it was when we lived in different times," Cabrera said.
Police had been at the housing authority since about midnight, a few hours after people started lining up outside for Section 8 housing voucher applications.
Some people lay down blankets and pillows to camp out until 9 a.m., when the housing authority had advertised they would hand out applications.
The line was already hundreds deep, so police asked Aigen to come to the property.
"There were traffic issues, disabled people who couldn't breathe well, children standing in line," she said.
The agency, worried about the size of the crowd, decided about 2 a..m. to hand out about 500 applications and reserve a few for later.
"We didn't expect so many to show up," Aigen said. "We thought we had enough area to accommodate all the people. It was not a good judgment call. The neighborhood wasn't equipped."
But handing out the applications early did nothing to stem the flow of potential applicants.
By 10 a.m. the crowd had swelled to more than 500 people, with most unaware that the bulk of applications had already been passed out.
The parking lot was a mass of women nursing crying babies, pushing strollers and waiting anxiously for officials to give them information.
People grew agitated. Several fights broke out. Police and firefighters said they were prepared if things were to turn violent on a large scale. Nearly 50 firefighters and paramedics from the city, county and Delray Beach set up across the street in the Town Center mall parking lot.
Then an official came out of the housing authority building and announced through a megaphone that disabled people should come forward.
Instead, the entire crowd surged forward. People fell down and were close to being trampled, witnesses said.
"That's when all hell broke loose," said Shannon Pierce, 26, of Lake Worth. Pierce, who is six months pregnant and had been waiting in line since 6 a.m. "We almost got trampled over."
Authorities decided to shut things down.
Police told the crowd they had to leave. Angry and disappointed, many of those waiting stalked off.
Those who remained were soon dispersed by police in riot gear, many shouting and complaining.
"Frustration builds after you have been in line for hours," said Robert Nelligan, Boca Raton Fire Rescue division chief. "Then you are told 'no.' Emotions can take over."
Angelica Rivera, a 28-year-old mother of five who had been pleading with officers to let her drop off her housing application, refused their orders to leave the property. She was handcuffed and dragged off to a police van, charged with disorderly conduct, disobeying a lawful order and resisting without violence. A second person was booked on similar charges.
In general, however, the crowd broke up peacefully. Many people remained on the scene, but off of authority property.
"We think we handled it with restraint," said police spokeswoman Sandra Boonenberg. "We had good communication with the people, the crowd cooperated, and we avoided any negative issues. We were very pleased with the way it was done and that nobody get hurt."
"If we can control the situation by our presence, that is the best possible outcome."
Most of the crowd disagreed.
"We're all working people and we're all bitter right now," said Deborah Davis, 37. "To be turned away like this hurts."
People in the line said they came overnight, from as far away as Riviera Beach and Pahokee, to apply for the housing subsidy.
"I'm very angry," said Nora Jones, 55 from Lake Worth, who said she had been there since 5 a.m. "Very disappointed. It's so unorganized. They are asking everyone to leave."
Amanda Palmer, 23, waited in line for hours with her 3-month old daughter. Palmer is staying in a maternity home, from which she must move out by June.
"That's why I'm here. This is my first child," Palmer said. "We really need it."
Shayla Williams, 22, of West Palm Beach, was angered by the police tactics.
"This place is going to get shot up later," she yelled to officers. "They can't treat us like this."
Pix of Shayla... got bucks for gold teeth but not housing?
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